[Liquid]

Dapper

When discussing a deity, that is agnosticism.

But in the sentence you quoted, TM was talking generally. There are things we don't understand. Could be God, could be why women go for bad boys.

[dylansan]

And as has been pointed out many times, one can be agnostic and atheist, and many are.

[Heathenpride]

dylansan

And as has been pointed out many times, one can be agnostic and atheist, and many are.

There is only two possible paths... Chuckeist or Chucknostic, all others will be rochamboe'd by Chuck :roundhouse:

[Liquid]

Heathenpride

There is only two possible paths... Chuckeist or Chucknostic, all others will be rochamboe'd by Chuck :roundhouse:

Wat.

[arora]

That's great, how can anyone deny the Chuck.

[Liquid]

arora

That's great, how can anyone deny the Chuck.

Because Bruce Lee is better and his films are better and because he died prematurely, he's got the 'mystique' factor ala Senna or James Dean.

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[arora]

True, I grew up on Saterday 'just for kicks' flics, mostly Bruce, but the Chuck joke was funny.

The thread needed a humor brake

[Sach]

Crushed

Who made the creator?

The concept of infinity exists as a mathematical concept, so to say that God could not exist infinitely is picking and choosing.

[niky]

We haven't demonstrated any uncausable causes. Only that there are things in this Universe whose cause we do not yet know. And that includes the Universe itself. With the Big Bang, we don't state (in science) that there was no cause or nothing before it. Instead, we state merely that we don't know what caused it or if there was one.

It's the same with God. If we find a God, and if he tells us he's eternal... how are we to know he is actually eternal? How do we know there isn't something greater than him and he is actually a false God hiding some higher power (the "true" God)?

Dapper

Niky wrote-

What gives you the idea that if there is a God, or prime mover, you'll be able to understand it? That is like... super faith.

My mistake. Internet's been out for most of the day, so I couldn't correct it... I meant:

Remember, I am not here as one who completely denies the existence of God. I merely feel that we, as mere humans, CANNOT understand what God or the Prime Mover (if a prime mover exists) is like.

But maybe what I should have said is that "we cannot understand... YET".

Because it is likely possible that someday, we can pierce the veil of secrecy that is the quantum world and that vast unknown outside the Universe. But it is also likely not.

Again... not faith believing that, given enough data, we can possibly understand everything. The only problem is: It's currently impossible to collect enough data.

[Keef]

Sach

The concept of infinity exists as a mathematical concept, so to say that God could not exist infinitely is picking and choosing.

Numbers are immaterial. Numbers don't create things, they describe things. They Once you've explained to us how something immaterial can create something material, then maybe your analogy would make sense.

[huskeR32]

Sach

The concept of infinity exists as a mathematical concept, so to say that God could not exist infinitely is picking and choosing.

Then Tank's insistence that the universe could not be infinite is equally "picking and choosing?"

[arora]

I think Tank is saying the universe has a beginning, most creationists like the big bang theory for that very reason. I guess it could also be argued that God's infinite existence is 'outside of' or precluded from the universe itself, something like that.

[Sach]

huskeR32

Then Tank's insistence that the universe could not be infinite is equally "picking and choosing?"

Why does God's infinite quality have to be applied to the age of the universe also? If God created the universe, then the universe is 'younger' than God.

Keef

Numbers are immaterial. Numbers don't create things, they describe things. They Once you've explained to us how something immaterial can create something material, then maybe your analogy would make sense.

What makes you think that any God capable of creating something from nothing needs the permission of your understanding to be able to do so?

[huskeR32]

Sach

Why does God's infinite quality have to be applied to the age of the universe also? If God created the universe, then the universe is 'younger' than God.

Because of the word that I underlined. Until there's any evidence that god exists, then we're going too far to assume that he plays by different rules than everything else.

If one thing (god) can be infinite, then all things (the universe) can as well. If one thing (the universe) cannot be infinite, then everything else (god) also cannot be. You're all just arbitrarily picking and choosing when rules apply and when they don't to justify your belief in something that has no basis in fact.

[Sach]

"Subjective" evidence, is evidence nonetheless. You just choose not to address it. Just because you choose not to, has no bearing on whether or not you are mistaken for not doing so.


Evidence?

[dylansan]

Sach

"Subjective" evidence, is evidence nonetheless. You just choose not to address it. Just because you choose not to, has no bearing on whether or not you are mistaken for not doing so.

This also applies to things for which there is absolutely no evidence, subjective or not. Just because there is no evidence does not prove something doesn't exist.

That's exactly the point. There's no evidence of unicorns but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

So should I believe in unicorns or not? And why?

[arora]

huskeR32

Because of the word that I underlined. Until there's any evidence that god exists, then we're going too far to assume that he plays by different rules than everything else.

If one thing (god) can be infinite, then all things (the universe) can as well. If one thing (the universe) cannot be infinite, then everything else (god) also cannot be. You're all just arbitrarily picking and choosing when rules apply and when they don't to justify your belief in something that has no basis in fact.

You're not lumping me in whith 'you're all just...'' are you? Either way, I've said something about this infinite deal before. If you'd like it's in post 3193 and more or less agree's with your 1st statment on infitite . Sorry for not linking it, damn posting on ps3

[huskeR32]

arora

You're not lumping me in whith 'you're all just...'' are you? Either way, I've said something about this infinite deal before. If you'd like it's in post 3193 and more or less agree's with your 1st statment on infitite . Sorry for not linking it, damn posting on ps3

I just used "you all" to refer to anybody who tried to make the argument that god's existence can be infinite, but the existence of the universe must be finite. I don't recall you ever saying that, so no, it was not directed at you.

[J0SH1]

So we came from monkeys aye?

[huskeR32]

J0SH1

So we came from monkeys aye?

I hope you're trolling, and that your understanding of evolution isn't really this inaccurate.