[Eiskalter Mick]

^^
I saw what you did there!

[Encyclopedia]

A prison like that is surely to good for Breivik. For non-murdering/raping criminals though I think it's fine.
There was a story about a prison here in Sweden where the guards forgot to lock up the prisoners for the night once. Instead of vandalizing and trying to escape, the prisoners watched movies, built forts out of blankets and baked chocolate cake. Slightly unrelated perhaps but I do believe that the Scandinavian way helps criminals adapt back into society better than for example the American way.

If you look at the much tougher prisons in the USA, it doesn't seem like it's really helping to deter criminals anyway. With repeat offenders being much more common than in Scandinavia, at least from what i've heard.

[prisonermonkeys]

Dear Invisible Children,

This is how you do it.

Love, Norway.

[Encyclopedia]

prisonermonkeys

Dear Invisible Children,

This is how you do it.

Love, Norway.

That's great.

[sumbrownkid]

Encyclopedia

A prison like that is surely to good for Breivik. For non-murdering/raping criminals though I think it's fine.
There was a story about a prison here in Sweden where the guards forgot to lock up the prisoners for the night once. Instead of vandalizing and trying to escape, the prisoners watched movies, built forts out of blankets and baked chocolate cake. Slightly unrelated perhaps but I do believe that the Scandinavian way helps criminals adapt back into society better than for example the American way.

If you look at the much tougher prisons in the USA, it doesn't seem like it's really helping to deter criminals anyway. With repeat offenders being much more common than in Scandinavia, at least from what i've heard.

Most repeat offenders are usually drug related in America. It's a system where the offender does not get the benefit of the doubt. A lot of the offenders usually have some sort of emotional/psychological problem that requires therapy and counseling, not getting thrown in prison with the dealers the offender bought his stuff off of.

As for Anders, a prison like Guantanomo is appropriate. It's in need of good PR.

Why not send him there? I'm sure his Muslim cell mates would love discussing ideologies.

[Encyclopedia]

sumbrownkid

Most repeat offenders are usually drug related in America. It's a system where the offender does not get the benefit of the doubt. A lot of the offenders usually have some sort of emotional/psychological problem that requires therapy and counseling, not getting thrown in prison with the dealers the offender bought his stuff off of.

As for Anders, a prison like Guantanomo is appropriate. It's in need of good PR.

Why not send him there? I'm sure his Muslim cell mates would love discussing ideologies.

Do they have an oppurtunity to get therapy? Or are they just stowed away to get out of the public?

[sumbrownkid]

Encyclopedia

Do they have an oppurtunity to get therapy? Or are they just stowed away to get out of the public?

They do get therapy, but it's usually followed by getting locked up again. My neighbor served time in county prison years ago for theft. He shared cells with drug abusers that really shouldn't be in prison, but instead at a rehab clinic.

The problem with our law system is that it seeks to punish instead and disregard healing. How does serving time help a meth addict? Not much. In fact, he may learn new ways to make it in prison.

[Encyclopedia]

sumbrownkid

They do get therapy, but it's usually followed by getting locked up again. My neighbor served time in county prison years ago for theft. He shared cells with drug abusers that really shouldn't be in prison, but instead at a rehab clinic.

The problem with our law system is that it seeks to punish instead and disregard healing. How does serving time help a meth addict? Not much. In fact, he may learn new ways to make it in prison.

Then my impression of the american justice system was right.

I think the most dificult thing is the balance between punishment and rehabilitation. You cannot be to hard or too soft.

[arora]

The U.S. penal system does not rehabilitate, just check the stats on repeat offenders(oddly enough, you'd think the heinous prison conditions would be a deterrent, but it's not) . The only success occurs when individuals seek out help on their own, there are many good organizations that help those who ask.

[Roger the Horse]

I always find it difficult debating punishment in my head when it comes to extreme cases like this, because although I normally object to punishment as a concept, I can't help but feel that people like Anders Breivik deserve a fate worse than death.
I personally believe that in the extreme cases where punishment is appropriate, rather than, as people have already been saying, rehabituation into "normal" (I hate that word. Normal. In this case I mean non-criminal) citizens, the case will be extreme enough that human rights, which I normally swear by, may as well go out the window.
Since Breivik has asked to be executed, and Norway (quite sensibly) does not practise the death penalty, execution would be completely inappropriate.
Some have suggested that if "he" (it's hard not to say 'it') was put into a prison then he would convert the other convicts into similarly minded extremists, however, I believe that he would probably get his wish and be executed by the other prisoners. There's honour amongst thieves, after all.
I personally feel that the best thing you could do with him would be to lock him in solitary confinement with 'Children of the Rainbow' playing on a constant loop, with a very slow drip feed of LSD gradually melting his brain.
Maybe that makes me a bit of a sadist, but it seems like the most effective method of punishment for me, there's no execution, no acquittal (the fact he thinks he deserves one is in many ways the most disturbing part of the whole case), and no risk of him being executed by someone else. Plus it creates the ultimate piece of propaganda as to why one should not commit such crimes.

Just my thoughts.

[Pupik]

*ibo* S3 Racer

My personal choice would be to grant him finally some vacation:
In guantanamo bay. Nice weather there. He would go absolutly bonkers

Declare him a terrorist, and then he can wait at Gitmo for the next 272 years until America's ready to try him.

Famine

He's clearly insane, but that special kind where he's so far gone into insanity that he's back out the other side and totally responsible for all of his actions.

Yeah, that.

There's a lot of prisoners that could be rehabilitated, but a violent criminal of that magnitude, with coldly-calculated means to commit heinous crimes of that nature, is beyond help, especially that of when you don't believe one iota of the system itself. I say, fine...now we can do as an government entity, which you fail to acknowledge, whatever we feel like with you.

I know that's totally absurd and anarchistic, but I think an example or two ought to deter a few loonies-at-large.

[Famine]

So it turns out that if you kill someone in Norway, you go to prison for 47 days...

Sentenced to 21 years with a minimum term of 10 years - 47 days for each of the 77 people he killed because he didn't regard them as people...

[Dean J]

Famine

So it turns out that if you kill someone in Norway, you go to prison for 47 days...

Sentenced to 21 years with a minimum term of 10 years - 47 days for each of the 77 people he killed because he didn't regard them as people...

I actually wonder why he got that minimum term of 10 years. Now, I should say that I know very little about Norwegian politics, but it seems a bit stupid to take this guy out of prison after only 10 years. He knew what he did to “save his country from Islam”, and that was to kill 77 Norwegian socialists. I personally, think this verdict should have been way higher, maybe even a lifetime verdict.

[Mike Rotch]

I thought South Africa's justice system was screwed up, but this takes the cake . I would have thought 21 years per murder victim would fit, not 21 for all victims.

[Vegard]

He has been declared sane and sentenced to 21 years detention.
A detention sentence means he can be detained as long as the system sees fit.
In theory, it could be a life sentence.
Towards the end of his term he will be evaluated. His sentence can be extended by 5 years at a time.
He's not coming out for a long time, if ever.

[Famine]

Vegard

He has been declared sane and sentenced to 21 years detention.
A detention sentence means he can be detained as long as the system sees fit.
In theory, it could be a life sentence.
Towards the end of his term he will be evaluated. His sentence can be extended by 5 years at a time.
He's not coming out for a long time, if ever.

Nonetheless, the minimum recommended term is 10 years - 47 days per murder.

The maximum sentence is 21 years - 99 days per murder.

If he's still considered a danger to society (and it's taken them long enough to determine he's sane and responsible for his actions), his sentence can be extended by 5 years per evaluation - which could be limitless, considering he doesn't regard Muslims or people who tolerate them as even being human.

[Akmuq]

Just lock the guy up and don't let him out. Ever.

[Barra333]

akmuq

Just lock the guy up and don't let him out. Ever.

That is pretty much what is going to happen, just 5 years at a time.
Also, he is apparently going to be put in an isolation wing, so won't get to use the resort facilities mentioned above.

[Dean J]

Barra333

That is pretty much what is going to happen, just 5 years at a time.
Also, he is apparently going to be put in an isolation wing, so won't get to use the resort facilities mentioned above.

He's getting access to TV, radio and Wikipedia.

[DK]

Dean J

He's getting access to TV, radio and Wikipedia.

If it's Wikipedia only, that's gonna drive him nuts. Especially if his IP gets blocked from editing it.