[Touring Mars]

DK

Come back to me when you can explain why your "intelligent creator" would make the oesophagus and the windpipe share an opening.

Well, duh... because choking to death on food is all part of His divine plan.

[Liquid]

Or why the pleasure department is linked up with the sewage system.

[orimarc]

Petrolhead1

It couldn't have just started by itself, and take a look at the world around you, nothing as complicated as that couldn't have just "come around."

Actually, yes.

BUT (and this is a bug butt, the kind that attracts Sir Mix-A-Lot), that needs time. And when I say time, I mean a LOT of time. I'm talking about millions of years of very small changes. It's not about a fish giving birth to a lizard, it about a fish giving birth to another, almost-identical-fish that gives birth to a-little-bit-farther-from-the-first fish.

[Exorcet]

Going back to that quote, nothing did "just come around". As orimac said, very, very, gradual changes happened over time. Changes so small you wouldn't notice them unless they were played in fast forward, on a high setting.

This isn't biological evolution, but it might be easier for people to grasp:



Saying that the human body just came around is like saying the modern F1 car just came around (and to honest, it sounds like creationism). Instead, very basic cars long ago were gradually improved. The ones that did better inspired copy cats or similar designs (survive, reproduce). The ones that did worse didn't win and people stopped using them (die off). If you go from one year to another, the cars look basically the same in most cases. But if you skip decades, or go from beginning to end, they look completely different.

[Denur]

Petrolhead1

The complexity of say, the human body, is clearly the result of an intelligent Creator

At which point do you find that something is so complex, that a creator must be involved? Where do you draw the line? How do you come to that decision?