Ferrari F40, why so bad?

The F40 is perfectly realistic, it even has the trademark extreme turbo lag with a massive boost at higher revs, as mentioned earlier in that quote from Autocar.com.
Its a car that has to be driven properly and I enjoy it immensely, its tendencey to step out at high speed and over crests, etc, makes it very rewarding to drive fast.

Also, with my current gearing on it, it has such great acceleration in 2nd and 3rd gear I can outrun most of the competition at 700PP usually making up for its slowness in corners, as long as I can keep the other cars behind me!

I'd just like to ask people to be more careful when following me in this car, as I prefer to have the brakes quite long in it and I have to start braking a fair bit earlier.

sandfisch

I don't want to sound too harsh but this sentence actually disqualifies most of your post. How can you judge from a video how a car actually handles?

In best motoring they have cameras on the pedals and revs so you can see how the car reacts... they did a street test, floor it in 2nd gear and it gripped like a charm coming out of a turn. It just seems like its very unsettled, while if you watch them drive it they can be pretty aggressive and still make the car grip.

The fact that you guys are getting close to the lap time is the thing, in other cars we could easily beat it because its not real life, so the same (maybe more so because the F40 must be a scary car to drive) should apply... Thats why i believe the OEM tires should be S1s, but theres no way a 20 year old street tire is S1.

Stotty

This is what happens when you put together the following: Very wide straight piece of runway, old hard tyres, second gear and full throttle. At 2000rpm the rushing noise starts, but all remains calm. At 3000rpm things start to fizzle, the speed already building yet still relatively slowly. At 4000rpm the boost gauge flutters. Then bang, the world goes upside down.

The engine seemingly misses about 2000rpm, jumping straight to 6500rpm. At first I think the rear tyres have lost traction, which I pretty sure they did for a bit, but a quick squint at the speedo shows we’ve just added mucho mph in the time it takes to say… Well I won’t repeat what I said, but it wasn’t a particularly long word.

As it happens I’d figured a Nissan GT-R only days before, but the way the F40 accelerates on boost makes the Nissan feel pedestrian. It is just so raw, unforgiving, brutal, and brilliantly, addictively fast.

Thats's exactly how it works on GT5P, an amazing car to drive.

I must admit, I prefer the F40's handleing to the F430, which is surprising for an older car.

balang_479

In best motoring they have cameras on the pedals and revs so you can see how the car reacts... they did a street test, floor it in 2nd gear and it gripped like a charm coming out of a turn. It just seems like its very unsettled, while if you watch them drive it they can be pretty aggressive and still make the car grip.

The fact that you guys are getting close to the lap time is the thing, in other cars we could easily beat it because its not real life, so the same (maybe more so because the F40 must be a scary car to drive) should apply... Thats why i believe the OEM tires should be S1s, but theres no way a 20 year old street tire is S1.

Floored at what rpm and speed? As previously stated, the F40 has incredible turbo lag... which means tire-roasting wheelspin only occurs once the boost kicks in at higher rpms.

If you drive it like you would an ordinary car in real life... keeping the revs below 3000, it's a very tractable car in the game... all you have to do is remember to lift slightly once the turbos spool up... easy to do if your butt-meter is relaying the increased vibration from skipping, spinning rear tires and your inner ears are registering the sudden surge of acceleration from the turbos kicking in. Not so easy if your only clue is a bunch of blurry pixels indicating that the car is now going sideways across the track.

Time for a little review of the F40, made completely on the spot by me.

Ferrari F40, a dream come true

When you look around the car, at the un-equipped, uncomfortable interior, the first thing you think is "What a piece of sh*t". But as you look at the outside, at the sexy, lightweight body, you are a drooling waterfall.

I remember when I was little playing with my little Hotwheels Ferraris, looking at my dad's car magazines, only for the pictures of those european exotics that i'd only be able to dream of ever even sitting in.

Well, here I am, living the dream, sitting in it, and i'm about to live the heaven, actually driving it. I'm so exited, the only thing else I could wish for was a more comfortable seat. I turn the car on, and the first thing I say is "holy sh*t!!!" I pull out of the pitlane for a practise lap.

After warming up my tires and getting used to it, I pull up ot the start/finish straight of Suzuka and get ready to launch. Months of planning and organizing all puts me here now. The red lights start to flash, 1,2,3,4,5. I'm about to launch this 450hp, featherweight, twin turbo, V8 lion. And at that moment, I say to myself "PJ, don't stall this b*tch!!!!!"

The light goes green.

That's all I have, now I want you, GTPlanet, to continue from this point. Care to have a try 80Y?

I thought it had 480bhp+..

PJ-FFL

That's all I have, now I want you, GTPlanet, to continue from this point. Care to have a try 80Y?

Maybe....but everyone please put them in the thread i started at the start of the year so' to not go off topic.

By the simple fact that the real life lap time is hard to beat in the game means that its not as good as in real life... take any other car and you could easily have done what is done in real life...
simple as that.

balang_479

By the simple fact that the real life lap time is hard to beat in the game means that its not as good as in real life... take any other car and you could easily have done what is done in real life...
simple as that.

Could you give examples, car/settings/tires etc for both real life lap records and in game? I'm referring to the 'take any other car' comment here.

Well I drive this car the most, yes its difficult to to drive at first, great challenge though.

balang_479

By the simple fact that the real life lap time is hard to beat in the game means that its not as good as in real life... take any other car and you could easily have done what is done in real life...
simple as that.

It doesnt look stock:


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/F...o-SV_31615.htm

Zer0

It doesnt look stock:

No. It's got painted wheels and a shopping list

balang_479

By the simple fact that the real life lap time is hard to beat in the game means that its not as good as in real life...

Sorry - But the above statement simply means you lack the ability to handle an F40 as good in game as someone can in real life -

NOT that it is not as good ing the game as in the real world..

TheCracker

No. It's got painted wheels and a shopping list

Well, I think nobody would pimp his F40 without a reason, that's not a civic!

As far as I know, this is listing the max loaded weight of the car, and not the car's actual weight.

I think PD made the F40 overweight so that you can only bring it to 1100 kg, and can't have a 'lighter than possible' F40, considering the real car is as stripped down as it can get.

Forgetful

I think PD made the F40 overweight so that you can only bring it to 1100 kg, and can't have a 'lighter than possible' F40, considering the real car is as stripped down as it can get.

You can only bring the weight down to 1149 kg at best with the quick tune. The 'lap record' by Best Motoring the Ferrari F40 weighed in at 1145 kg. The American version of the F40 weighs 1350kg, which is what the F40 in GT5P weighs, even though it does state 1100kg in the showroom.

sher_da_putt

this is little off topic but when you talk about weight, do PD add the drivers weight to the car, or does the car drive as theres no one inside it. I mean all simulators must have the same problem.

BTW I agree with you on the F40, another thing that bugs me is the 0-60 time, it seems that you have to keep hold of the brake and the accelerator, then let go of the brake to get that 3.8 second time. But when you do it from stand still, the turbo lag is painfully long, I know F40's are known to have turbo lag, but, its annoying.

If you hold the brake and the accelerator at the same time in GT5P, you're building up the rev's and bringing the turbo 'on boost'. This means you'll get almost all the power and minimal turbo lag, hense why you'll get a better 0-60mph time. If you just stick it in first and move off from low rev's, you'll have to overcome the turbo lag as they 'spool' up until you finally get maximum power.

Forgetful

As far as I know, this is listing the max loaded weight of the car, and not the car's actual weight.

I think PD made the F40 overweight so that you can only bring it to 1100 kg, and can't have a 'lighter than possible' F40, considering the real car is as stripped down as it can get.

It's interesting, because in the 'showroom' in GT5P, it shows the 1100kg kerb weight. I wonder if this is dry weight, as in no fluids or driver? Perhaps GT5P includes fluids and driver? Still shouldn't be 250kg extra though, unless your rather heavy...

My experience with the F40 in GT5P is a mixed one. I find the car fairly easy to drive within its limits, its only when pushed that it becomes difficult to drive. For example, its quite nimble when balanced on the throttle, almost Elise like. However, come into a corner too hot and you'll meet vicious understeer, which can be overcome by a stab of the loud peddle (or button). The problem is, this produce's unwanted wheelspin, and first gear is quite long, so you'll loose alot of time. I think the F40's biggest problem, is it's gearing, 1st is too long and 2nd is rather short. If you could reverse the two, you'd eliminate alot of the snap oversteer in slower corners. Also, if you set the F40 up to be a little more tail happy on turn in, to reduce the understeer (brake balance?), this should help.

lion-face

Could you give examples, car/settings/tires etc for both real life lap records and in game? I'm referring to the 'take any other car' comment here.

Here is a Suzuka list

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track4.html

Is that list old or what, I do recall best motoring has run the R35 GTR around Suzuka and beat the F40's time by a margin.


As others have said the F40 gearing is a pain, you can travel almost 200km/h in 2nd gear but checking the real F40 gearing GT5P's F40 is spot on.