[SC Juggernaut]

12thgear

I guess what I'm wondering is which PS3 compatible wheels the CSR Elite "pales in comparison" too. The CSW is definitely another notch up, but the Elite still seems to bring a lot to the table.

If what I'm saying doesn't apply to your situation or point of view, why wonder about it?

The Elite does bring a lot to the table, in terms of xbox compatibility. It's the best you can get on that console. It's not the best you can get on other platforms. On PS3/PC, you are better off getting a CSW or T500. Both will have long term support for quick release rims, both will support two styles of flappy paddle shifting, etc. With the Elite's wheel base, what you currently see is what you get. It is under featured for the price, in comparison to the other two high end wheel bases. If a Fanatec brand wheel is a must for you, the CSW for $100 more is a no brainer for any hardcore sim racer (that is who wheels of these prices are aimed at isn't it) . For those who don't care about anything outside of xbox gaming, the Elite is a great option.

My former rant was for the benefit of myself and of those who don't have to wonder about what I was saying, who were already thinking the same things themselves. I'm in no way trying to bash the Elite wheel, the rant was about wanting a more feature filled Elite that would be worth the price they a currently charging for it, in comparison to the CSW. MS limitations hinder that.

[sandboxgod]

SC Juggernaut tells it the way I see it. CSR Elite looks a bit overpriced but it just makes great business sense for Fanatec due to the inventory issues (or rather, rapidly shrinking inventory). so they are no doubt using a bit of economics to find the perfect line to balance inventory / pricing

I keep hoping against all logic Fanatec will develop an CSR Elite v2 that has more of the features the CSW has then it's a no brainer to add it to my collection

[SC Juggernaut]

sandboxgod

I think of a lot of wheels CSR Elite might pale in comparison too. To be fair, perhaps you are not thinking of the extremely expensive PC only wheels. (Ah but you emphasize PS3 only I see now *)

In particular, CSW is just beyond better. This does not mean the CSR Elite is a bad buy. But I think Fanatec could've put in more effort to make it closer to the CSW. I'm not clear why it cant have a Quick Release. Nor am I clear why it is missing those very nice analog buttons. Hell, I am also not clear why it cant use those fancy CSW rims.

For owners that do not have a high profile wheel & you want xbox compat my guess CSR Elite is your wheel. But if you already have a good wheel then that CSR is looking really strong.

I could theorize why CSR Elite has come up so short and its very easy to conclude Fanatec had to expend royalties / cost on the FM 4 branding & microsoft license / parts. So to hit the desired price point, they had to shave off the beyond awesome features that CSW will have

Totally agree with your thoughts on this. My stance is that I would be willing to pay more money for an Elite wheel that comes closer to the CSW. No one asked them to get FM4 branding, and I don't see any serious sim racers giving a damn about having a FM4 logo in the center of their wheel rim. Leave that stuff for the lower cost CSR wheel. It's not like they are even selling it in major stores, were a branding like that would really help to influence more sales.

[ibuycheap]

SC Juggernaut

$100 more is a no brainer for any hardcore sim racer (that is who wheels of these prices are aimed at isn't it) . For those who don't care about anything outside of xbox gaming, the Elite is a great option.

You seem to have a focus on people who like add ons. This does not necessarily parallel the hardcore sim racer. Lots of HARD CORE sim racers are just going to buy a g27/ t500/ gt2 and use it as is. From that perspective if you liked the csr-e wheel rim just as much as a t-500 and had the additional $50 for for the csr-e pedals (assume MSRP) would seem the CSR-E would be right up your alley not solely because you EXCLUSIVELY played xbox games.

//Lets be clear though I love addons and forza 4 is awesome but I have a PWTS so I probably may end up with the CSW//

SC Juggernaut

Totally agree with your thoughts on this. My stance is that I would be willing to pay more money for an Elite wheel that comes closer to the CSW. No one asked them to get FM4 branding, and I don't see any serious sim racers giving a damn about having a FM4 logo in the center of their wheel rim. Leave that stuff for the lower cost CSR wheel. It's not like they are even selling it in major stores, were a branding like that would really help to influence more sales.

The branding probably discounted the Xbox license not the other way around. People see the wheel and it advertises the game. Fanatec was asked to make the wheel.

[hampus_dh]

pedals i think are the only thing you can gain time on.
the rest just helps with consistency.

i know guys that run no ffb and plays on 15" laptops and still smoke me
you cant do nothing but respect them

[SC Juggernaut]

ibuycheap

You seem to have a focus on people who like add ons. This does not necessarily parallel the hardcore sim racer. Lots of HARD CORE sim racers are just going to buy a g27/ t500/ gt2 and use it as is. From that perspective if you liked the csr-e wheel rim just as much as a t-500 and had the additional $50 for for the csr-e pedals (assume MSRP) would seem the CSR-E would be right up your alley not solely because you EXCLUSIVELY played xbox games.

Not for the current price point. That is an important point you seem to miss. If we were to focus on the amount of value you are getting for the money you are spending, the Elite falls short at its current cost.

Above it for $100 more, the CSW is a better buy in comparison. The T500 set, which includes pedals, is a better value in comparison. The only thing the Elite really has to lean on in terms of competitive edge is the fact that it has Xbox compatibility. So indeed, if you are going to choose it over any other wheel, it will be because of xbox games like Forza.

"As is", the CSW can be bought with a formula wheel, which will appeal to guys who only race open wheelers. "As is" it can also be bought with a BMW wheel, which will appeal to everyone else. The T500 can now be bought and used "As is" with the new F1 wheel rim. There is no denying that the other two high end wheels on the market are a much better buy then the Elite wheel, and they are geared towards the HARDCORE sim racer who has deeper pockets, whether they plan to buy more add-ons or not.

[SC Juggernaut]

ibuycheap

The branding probably discounted the Xbox license not the other way around. People see the wheel and it advertises the game. Fanatec was asked to make the wheel.

I made mention to branding in response to something mentioned by sandboxgod. Not to sound rude but I really couldn't care less why it was done.

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Just in from Dan Greenawalt via FaceBook:

"Thanks for the note. As with all feedback, we're looking into it. However, we've confirmed that it isn't the steering assist. As you've seen its isolated to the 900 degree wheel, and shows in the telemetry (which the steering assist does not)."

[Raitziger]

So he is still blaming the 900 degree wheels? But he is wrong that steering assist does not show in telemetry. (of course there are no blinking indicator when the secret assist is turned on)

[Pdreams]

The steering assist is an interesting thing but is noticeable to the driver? If there had been no display, would anyone have felt it.

I am just wondering whether if its still possible to perform a drift as in GT5 or does the game continues to correct any oversteer events.

[buttsneeze]

Pdreams

The steering assist is an interesting thing but is noticeable to the driver? If there had been no display, would anyone have felt it.

I am just wondering whether if its still possible to perform a drift as in GT5 or does the game continues to correct any oversteer events.

Very noticeable even without telemetry. You know something's wrong when your wheel is only turned 90 degrees but you're holding a massive slide and your front wheels are visibly turned to opposite lock. It makes correcting a slide unnecessarily snappy and sometimes overcorrects. For anyone with experience in real life or a good sim drifting, you really use all of the 450 degrees when you slide, but in FM4 with the assist you never need more than 90.

[erahk64]

Raitziger

So he is still blaming the 900 degree wheels?

I think he is saying the game handles 900 degree wheels in a specific way, he is not saying the fault is located in the 900 degree wheels.

Raitziger

But he is wrong that steering assist does not show in telemetry. (of course there are no blinking indicator when the secret assist is turned on)

The steering assist he mentions is probably another assist.
The weird behavior/"assist" shown in videos seems to be another thing and he says it is isolated to 900 degree wheels and shows in the telemetry.

[Mr Latte]

The whole steering assist thing seems to be getting overblown.
Additionally if its an issue with 900 degrees when the full game comes out it can be properly tested with different cars to be sure its not in the games physics. Will all cars suffer from it and to what point in reducing the Fanatec wheel rotation when does it stop having the effect it does?

Im sure people can get around the issue by using less than 900 degrees and still have a great experience however perhaps the issue lies with Fanatec and can be addressed with a firmware update?

[phil-t]

Mr Latte

The whole steering assist thing seems to be getting overblown.
Additionally if its an issue with 900 degrees when the full game comes out it can be properly tested with different cars to be sure its not in the games physics. Will all cars suffer from it and to what point in reducing the Fanatec wheel rotation when does it stop having the effect it does?

Im sure people can get around the issue by using less than 900 degrees and still have a great experience however perhaps the issue lies with Fanatec and can be addressed with a firmware update?

It has to be in-game, you can hold the wheel with a fixed amount of lock and see it 'snap' back when the car stops.. I'm sure it's something T10 will find, and hopefully patch.. They could do with removing the 'wobble' from the telemetry as well, that doesn't look good and is present at any wheel SENS setting.. and that's not wheel related either..

[buttsneeze]

Mr Latte

The whole steering assist thing seems to be getting overblown.
Additionally if its an issue with 900 degrees when the full game comes out it can be properly tested with different cars to be sure its not in the games physics. Will all cars suffer from it and to what point in reducing the Fanatec wheel rotation when does it stop having the effect it does?

Im sure people can get around the issue by using less than 900 degrees and still have a great experience however perhaps the issue lies with Fanatec and can be addressed with a firmware update?

It happens exactly the same way with all cars in the demo. I'm 100% sure it's the game's fault, not the wheel's fault. Remember it only triggers the steering lock change on oversteer and the wheel has no idea what oversteer is. It has to be the game causing the problem, not the wheel.

[ilonioum]

It might be some physics issue, a bug in the code that causes the correction. I don't think that T10 is intentionally turn the assist on and the try to cover that up, no point there for me.
As Latte said, this issue is getting overblown. I'm sure T10 and Fanatec will figure something out so let's move on to something else rather than repeating the same thing again and again.
I would appreciate some more reviews of new CSR and the CSRE P, more news about the CSRE wheel...

[Spagetti69]

buttsneeze

It happens exactly the same way with all cars in the demo. I'm 100% sure it's the game's fault, not the wheel's fault

I agree with this and I haven't seen anyone else post otherwise.

Why is this in the Fanatec announcements thread?
Forza thread is rife with this topic and unless someone can prove it's the wheels fault could we keep the Fault of the game in the Games thread.

I'm sure Thomas's attention has been got and he is making enquiry's.

Pretty sure Thomas's won't reveal to much either, as it's not his end with the issue.

Similar theme to the GT5, and the G27 series of wheels having issues.
That is for PD to sort there end not Logitech.

Same principle.

Although I'm sure if the CEO of logitech posted here, his inbox would be flooded too.

[PzR Slim]

Shark33

Look at his right hand.

lol, epic fail!!

[Vaxxtx]

Just an FYI. My order of the CSR Elite Pedals went from "pending" to "delivered".

Looks like we are getting our products soon here in the USA.

[Richvw]

ibuycheap

The license adds some cost sure, but having the FM4 branding could have even brought the cost down since it becomes a cross promotion deal. You could be right about Microsoft having a max price point which took the quick disconnect off the table. Not having the buttons and joysticks is just because the Xbox won't support it. //That said the 911 wheel has 2 extra buttons the Xbox doesn't support

It is kind of odd that the original spec for the wheel api on the Xbox 360 //back in 2005// had a 6 speed shifter and clutch. That is pretty forward thinking of them when you consider the g25 came out in 2006 and was the only popular wheel to have it.

Why won't Microsoft just add to the spec the same way they are adding the handbrake to the spec. (Unless I missed something the handbrake was not in the original spec) The handbrake is probably more niche than adding an extra joystick on the wheel.

"That said the 911 wheel has 2 extra buttons the Xbox doesn't support"

Excellent point, if they can licence the 911 with extra buttons, then why can’t they do the same for the CSW. Why not make a rim/rims for Xbox, with the extra features not included.