[christara321]

grrlpurple

I simply can't understand any of the bickering over this game at all - and let's face it, with cars, museum cards, gear, paint, tickets and horns, GT5 practically promotes OCD

Now thats definately one I agree with. PD promotes Obsessive–compulsive disorder in my opinion with all the collecting. LOL

But I guess its up to the individuals to stop it.
(Not easy when you get on the bandwagon)

[Famine]

NLxAROSA

I do agree about the 'what is 0/0/0?' question though, that's been answered to death and should be in a FAQ/sticky.

christara321

Thats one thing I would like to see with GTPlanet is the amalgamation of certain stickies (Or threads) to make it as simple as possible for any new members to be pointed in the right direction to a question they may have and which have more than likely been answered already?

GT5 Forum FAQ

If you have any requests for additions to this thread, please PM me or any other member of staff

Read the stickies, folks.

[Nicksfix]

Famine

Read the stickies, folks.

Therein lies the problem. While yours is a verbal answer, how many will adhere to it ? How many will see your answer of "read the stickies" ? Few ... if any. Sad to say but it's true.

I'm going to go off topic just a bit here, sorry. I don't mean to thread jack from Hoodfields original OP, but reading stickies has to be addressed. Maybe this should be a thread in itself.

A prime example of "not reading stickies" can be found in the Marketplace. How many times do you see a member wanting to trade for an untradeable car ? Quite a few. How does one get a member to read a sticky before posting a want ad for a particular car that is not obtainable via trade ? I'm guessing here, but I cannot be certain on how this works, if it is at all possible. Before posting a "want ad" in the marketplace, is it possible to have the thread re-directed to the sticky stating that certain cars cannot be traded ? The same can be said / applied to anything in this forum that is stickied. Before starting a thread, can you get re-directed to the proper sticky ? Perhaps this may cut down on excess threads that do not need to be.

Just a thought.

[Dennisch]

Put "Read the stickies" in the Aup. In big fat bold size 7.

[Nicksfix]

Dennisch

Put "Read the stickies" in the Aup. In big fat bold size 7.

The AUP is something that is to be read when you sign up for GTPlanet. How many actually read that ? The same answer, few, if any. Once again, sad but true.

[christara321]

Famine

Read the stickies, folks.

Firstly congrats on the promotion. Noticed the avatar.

But I agree read the stickies, Like myself when I first came here am guilty like any new member?
They have a tendencie to be flown past.

Nicksfix

Therein lies the problem. While yours is a verbal answer, how many will adhere to it ? How many will see your answer of "read the stickies" ? Few ... if any. Sad to say but it's true.

I'm going to go off topic just a bit here, sorry. I don't mean to thread jack from Hoodfields original OP, but reading stickies has to be addressed. Maybe this should be a thread in itself.

A prime example of "not reading stickies" can be found in the Marketplace. How many times do you see a member wanting to trade for an untradeable car ? Quite a few. How does one get a member to read a sticky before posting a want ad for a particular car that is not obtainable via trade ? I'm guessing here, but I cannot be certain on how this works, if it is at all possible. Before posting a "want ad" in the marketplace, is it possible to have the thread re-directed to the sticky stating that certain cars cannot be traded ? The same can be said / applied to anything in this forum that is stickied. Before starting a thread, can you get re-directed to the proper sticky ? Perhaps this may cut down on excess threads that do not need to be.

Just a thought.

Thats the answer we need.

Dennisch

Put "Read the stickies" in the Aup. In big fat bold size 7.

Don,t work, Even when you point new members or someone who just make threads that seem pointless when there question has been answered previously but unable to go search for an answer whats already out there?

Majority of people think they are the first to come up with that elusive question. So its easier for them to make a new thread, So we end up with hundreds of the same type of threads for one question?

Nicksfix

The AUP is something that is to be read when you sign up for GTPlanet. How many actually read that ? The same answer, few, if any. Once again, sad but true.

Am guilty too, But my lesson has been learnt. With time served on here.

________________________

HOODFIELD

GT Planet Staff,

I'm sick and tired of the 0/0 collecting debate. People should play thier game however they want and not be ridiculed for it. This debate falls into the same category as the 4WD Drifting, Duping, No Porsche, etc... No winners.

Here's the latest thread: http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=252034

The thread has no value whatsoever. First off the answer to what a 0/0/0 car is can be found by searching. The answer has been answered dozens of times already.

Reason for adding this last quote is.
Why must we endure thread upon thread with the self same questions or type of questions that have been answered before.
Search function is not being utilised.
The example given was about 0/0/0 but it could be about many a subject here on GTPlanet?

[Ross]

I signed up to another forum a couple of months ago and when I signed up, I had to read all of the stickies and to stop me just skipping it, I had to stay on the same thread for at least 1 minute. I wonder if it would be possible to run something like that here if the forum software allows it. (It was a VBulletin forum so I don't see why not)

[HOODFIELD]

NLxAROSA

Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless there are personal attacks involved, people can love or hate whatever they want, and that's all within the boundaries of the AUP.

If you don't like what you read in those threads, don't click on them. If it's offensive/abusive, report to a mod. If the mods don't act on it, than obviously it's not as important to the site as you think.

Your absolutly right by saying simply don't click on them. The problem with that answer is applies to any thread.
So instead of locking a GT6 wishlist thread why not just not click on it? Instead of locking a thread about why Porshe wasn't included in the game why not just ignore it? See what I'm getting at?
Mods are the ones with the power to enforce this etiquette. It doesn't say in the AUP your not allowed to start a thread about Porshe yet its part of the forums unwritten etiquette.
Also about mods not acting on it, I was feeling like it was inconsistant. I gave an example where the thread got locked, I gave a bunch of examples of where it didn't. That was only a 5 min search that brought me those threads and there are tons more. I'm also bringing attention to this matter in hopes moderation becomes more consistent. Like I said I reported that older thread and nothing happened. At the very least it should have been locked for being a duplicate, not necessarly because I felt the OP was trolling.

NLxAROSA

If people think 0/0/0 collecting is stupid and want to discuss that, they have every right to do so. While reading this thread, I find it sounds suspiciously like a 'please ban threads that I don't agree with' thread.

Not at all man. If I felt that way I would have said something a year ago when these threads first started popping up. I've been noticing them for a long time now, and I finally felt like saying something. I didn't think much of it at first, but after a year of seeing the same argument, I felt like offering this suggestion.
Also people have been discussing that 0/0/0 is stupid for over a year now, thats sort of my point. It shouldn't be allowed if other topics like "no Porshe in GT5" aren't allowed either. Another example, I wouldn't just go start a thread about "People who use Photomode are wasting their time because this is a driving game" yet that is exactly what happens in these 0/0 debate threads. Just read the OP of the latest one.

NLxAROSA

I do agree about the 'what is 0/0/0?' question though, that's been answered to death and should be in a FAQ/sticky.

Exactly, it's been done to death.


I think everyone is missing the point I'm trying to make. It's not about reading the stickies. It's about respecting how other people play the game whether you agree with it or not. I keep repeating myself but the best way I can explain it is the AWD drifting example.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175072

The way I'm reading this thread, is GT Planet acknowedges there is 4WD drifting and people are not allowed to argue otherwise because it still technically drifting.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175512

Also states that "even the use of the term "drifting" in relation to non-RWD cars will similarly be met with a lock." So basically no more AWD drifting threads because the discussion leads no-where.
If I'm reading that wrong please correct me as I don't have much knowledge on the matter.

What I'm saying is I believe this 0/0 topic should be given the same type of attention. Now here we are over a year later. Marketplace subfourm still bringing in traffic to this site. Tons of 0/0 collectors on this site, tons. It's very obvious that this is a viable way of playing the game. There is an entire subfourm dedicated to it and its the main reason I enjoy the site and I'm sure it is for many others as well.

So why shouldn't GT Planet step in and say "Enough 0/0 discussion, play the game how you please." Just like they did for the AWD drifters. I'm not asking anyone to do additional work. I'm not asking anyone to merge threads. I'm not asking anyone to erase the existing threads with peoples opposing opinions. I'm not saying moderators are doing a bad job. Im happy that this site is run fairly strict and thats the reason I thought it would be ok to ask this. I'm also not asking anyone to agree with me. I'm simply making an observation that I didn't believe mods were taking notice too. All I'm asking is if we can report NEW threads (so they can get locked before it turns into a debate) and report NEW blatant trolling post on this subject.

[Famine]

HOODFIELD

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175072

The way I'm reading this thread, is GT Planet acknowedges there is 4WD drifting and people are not allowed to argue otherwise because it still technically drifting.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=175512

Also states that "even the use of the term "drifting" in relation to non-RWD cars will similarly be met with a lock." So basically no more AWD drifting threads because the discussion leads no-where.
If I'm reading that wrong please correct me as I don't have much knowledge on the matter.

Yup.

Certain people were trying to issue their own official proclamations that those who drift 4WD cars couldn't post in/participate in the drifting forum (largely by way of making it as uninviting as possible for those people) by defining the term to suit themselves. The two posts you cite can best be summarised as "Jordan makes the rules, not you.". It's nothing to do with GTP officially recognising anything - nor is it related to this "situation" in any way but one.


0/0/0 collecting is a way some people play the game (hey, I like a nice original to go with the awesome car I drive so I've always got a spare to clone to myself) - just as drifting 4WD cars is (and the fact PD made a 4WD-specific drag event suggests they do too). Some people don't. Some people really dislike 0/0/0 collecting or 4WD drifting. This seems to be the limit of "the debate". So what?

When people start trying to force 0/0/0 collectors out of the Marketplace forum by ganging up and making their own street rules, we'll be visiting certain moderator controls. Until then it's irrelevant.

People are free to play the game how they want to and say so. The downside of that freedom, for them, is that other people are free to play the game how they want and say so.

[Jordan]

This does seem to be quite a common question in the Marketplace, so I've just added a simple, informational sticky thread that should hopefully cut down on questions about these types of cars.

To add to Famine's comments and to re-iterate one of the points you already made, please do report anything that you feel is abusive towards or harasses another member or group of members.

[HOODFIELD]

Famine

Some people really dislike 0/0/0 collecting or 4WD drifting. This seems to be the limit of "the debate". So what?

Precisely why I feel we don't need another new thread with 60+ post stating the same argument that already can be found in existing threads. It's just discouraging to see new threads on this topic still allowed while certain topics with multiple repeat threads such as wish list or PSN outage get met with an immediate lock. I see it as a double standard, I know the staff isn't doing it on purpose, thats why I'm bringing it up. Not knocking the staff just mentioning my observation in hopes they recognize it now if they haven't already. I still feel there are way to many repeat threads on 0/0 collecting that already exist to not put an end to new ones. Thanks for your reply, your explanation, and your time.

Thanks for the reply Jordan.

[Machate-man]

HOODFIELD

Thanks for the reply Jordan.

A little fix there

I agree that a stickie will alleviate the repetitive "0/0/0" threads; Perhaps user's reasons as to why they want those cars over others should be placed in that thread as well because, truthfully, I don't understand the difference more than Jordan's description of "They're collectable"

Also, is there a way to keep the stickies in constant "Bold" view (Like a thread that's been posted in recently)? People tend to look at the bold threads, which is why FAQ, the 1,000,000 limit, and other important messages are sometimes missed.

[HOODFIELD]

Machate-man

Perhaps user's reasons as to why they want those cars over others should be placed in that thread as well because, truthfully, I don't understand the difference more than Jordan's description of "They're collectable"

0/0/0 cars are cars with 0 miles / 0 switches / 0 modifications in that order.

HP varies depending on where the car originally came from. Prize Ticket cars are not broken in resulting in stock HP. Cars purchased from the OCD have broken in HP but still with zero miles.

Besides collecting a 0/0/0 car will ensure you get the longest lifespan out of your vehicle, due to the permanent power loss mechanism built into the game. Also these cars are assumed to be the stock color and free ANY modification/tuning. So it's basically a brand new untouched standard car, something that is normally uncommon in the game.

[Machate-man]

HOODFIELD

0/0/0 cars are cars with 0 miles / 0 switches / 0 modifications in that order.

HP varies depending on where the car originally came from. Prize Ticket cars are not broken in resulting in stock HP. Cars purchased from the OCD have broken in HP but still with zero miles.

Besides collecting a 0/0/0 car will ensure you get the longest lifespan out of your vehicle, due to the permanent power loss mechanism built into the game. Also these cars are assumed to be the stock color and free ANY modification/tuning. So it's basically a brand new untouched standard car, something that is normally uncommon in the game.

Thanks
What I had meant in my previous post was that such a quote should be added to the said stickie.

[border84]

HOODFIELD

GT Planet Staff,

I'm sick and tired of the 0/0 collecting debate. People should play thier game however they want and not be ridiculed for it. This debate falls into the same category as the 4WD Drifting, Duping, No Porsche, etc... No winners.

Here's the latest thread: http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=252034

The thread has no value whatsoever. First off the answer to what a 0/0/0 car is can be found by searching. The answer has been answered dozens of times already.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showth...0%2F0%2F0+cars
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=224424
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=232000
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=220828
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showth...0%2F0%2F0+cars
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showth...0%2F0%2F0+cars

There are tons more.... and they just keep coming....

This one in particular is a great example of why these threads are pointless. :http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showth...hlight=deserve

These threads all have a common theme. Someone will say something along the lines of "It's only a game, these cars are meant to be driven, your not playing the game properly, you have OCD, etc..."

I was hoping that we can start reporting these threads/post and they become locked immediatly or warned if it's a post. In the past I have seen the staff do this. http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=234499 But as you can see there are way more examples of no action taken.

This may only be a minor thing to most staff and I totally understand that, also there is not really any staff that frequents the marketplace that really takes this subject to heart, but to some of us, especially the people from the marketplace this is a touchy subject and I feel were not getting our due respect by letting these threads continue. So once and for all can we just add what a 0/0 car is to the stickies and start killing these threads as they come. You can even tell by the tone of the OP they are usually just trolling threads.

How long does it take you to see one of these posts and just look to the next one? Maybe a tenth of a second? Yet you used how many minutes typing up this thread? (arguably as pointless) And even funnier is you want gtp mods to go around locking up threads anytime someone expresses their opinion that you dont want to read? Letting people say what they want to say, within in the rules, makes for a more friendly gtp and more open to new users. And I can guarantee you the gtp staff would rather reach new users than just keep pleasing the old ones...

[Machate-man]

border84

And I can guarantee you the gtp staff would rather reach new users than just keep pleasing the old ones...

I guarantee that the GTP staff are in place only to keep order; "reaching new users" would be a bias over others, as would "pleasing the old ones (users)".

I don't think staff do bias and partiality. Also, you do need to remember that they're also users, thrown into this group of "old ones" you refer to.

[stepmanstep]

HOODFIELD

GT Planet Staff,

I'm sick and tired of the 0/0 collecting debate. People should play thier game however they want and not be ridiculed for it. This debate falls into the same category as the 4WD Drifting, Duping, No Porsche, etc... No winners.

Here's the latest thread: http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=252034

The thread has no value whatsoever. First off the answer to what a 0/0/0 car is can be found by searching. The answer has been answered dozens of times already.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showth...0%2F0%2F0+cars
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=224424
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=232000
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=220828
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showth...0%2F0%2F0+cars
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showth...0%2F0%2F0+cars

There are tons more.... and they just keep coming....

This one in particular is a great example of why these threads are pointless. :http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showth...hlight=deserve

These threads all have a common theme. Someone will say something along the lines of "It's only a game, these cars are meant to be driven, your not playing the game properly, you have OCD, etc..."

I was hoping that we can start reporting these threads/post and they become locked immediatly or warned if it's a post. In the past I have seen the staff do this. http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=234499 But as you can see there are way more examples of no action taken.

This may only be a minor thing to most staff and I totally understand that, also there is not really any staff that frequents the marketplace that really takes this subject to heart, but to some of us, especially the people from the marketplace this is a touchy subject and I feel were not getting our due respect by letting these threads continue. So once and for all can we just add what a 0/0 car is to the stickies and start killing these threads as they come. You can even tell by the tone of the OP they are usually just trolling threads.

Hey thanks for that man, didn't think that asking a legitimate question was so wrong. Until just recently, Gtplanet was unknown to me, so as I looked into the marketplace, it confused me as to why anyone would want 0/0/0 cars. The collecting aspect had not crossed my mind at all, so after a few days I began to get the picture. I'd also ask for you to remove my thread link from your OP, no reason to bring people to a thread that's already dead.