[McLaren]

Holdenhsvgtsr

oh dear

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lambo...QQcmdZViewItem

$79,000 for a wanna-be Carrera GT? That's not even a poor man's C. GT.

Hell, you could buy a Viper GTS or brand new Z06 and get better performance by a mile.

[Tornado]

Even better, you can buy kits for the ZZW30 MR2 for 10 grand that do the same thing, but only costs 30 grand total and could actually fool someone. Than you can spend the extra money on a Viper GTS.

[Sakiale]

Toronado

[FONT=Garamond][SIZE=4]It still suffers, however, from being a Cavalier, similar to how the one above it suffers from being a Cobalt.

And that was before he added all of that crap to it.

They're both Cavaliers. The last generation Cavalier looked very similar to the Cobalt, in other words, it looked like the car in the picture.

Is it odd that I like every single car in the last 3 pages?

[xXSilencerXx]

Toronado

It appears that the owner is too stupid to realise that the Firebird is the one with Flip-ups.

Exactly what I'm sayin. There's a reason why each of them had their own ram air hoods.

[Famine]

slidesquad#1

*Removes wing mirrors from wagon. Impressed at mad aero advantage*
Schweet!
*Realises he has no rearward peripheral vision*

Actually, it has to be said that wing mirrors do kill you for speed.

Prolonged arguments on another forum referred to the Rover 220 Coupe as being able to do 150mph. Even in raw, factory fresh form, the power and aerodynamics meant it just couldn't do it - it was close, but not quite there (I calculated 146mph) - but the fanboys kept claiming that a factory standard Rover 220 Coupe had been clocked at 150mph.

It turned out that the Rover 220 Coupe in question was mechanically factory standard, but they'd taped up a few panel gaps and removed the wing mirrors. Taking the size of the 220 wing mirrors into account and removing them from the calculation ramped the aero speed up to 154mph


So you'd be surprised at just what effect wing mirrors can have. But they're compulsory on the track (and in the UK you must have at least the driver's side wingmirror and any one other mirror - so you can knock the passenger side one off and get 4mph extra... ).

[Diego440]

wow... and that's all in Wikipedia? 'tis amazing the amount of info you can find there

[Famine]

As far as I'm aware, none of it is. Though I can't access Wikipedia from work as, with it being a county-wide school IP address, and schoolkids having a propensity for Wikivandalism...

[Diego440]

so you just walk around calculating random things, like max speed reachable through aerodynamics in random cars?

alrighty.

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Diego440

so you just walk around calculating random things, like max speed reachable through aerodynamics in random cars?

alrighty.

it is true though,in the late 80's the top astra at the time (gsi i think not too sure) was said to do 127mph,but it only would if you took off the mudflaps with those on it only did 123

[Famine]

Diego440

so you just walk around calculating random things, like max speed reachable through aerodynamics in random cars?

alrighty.

Missed the first paragraph?

Famine

Prolonged arguments on another forum referred to the Rover 220 Coupe as being able to do 150mph. Even in raw, factory fresh form, the power and aerodynamics meant it just couldn't do it - it was close, but not quite there (I calculated 146mph) - but the fanboys kept claiming that a factory standard Rover 220 Coupe had been clocked at 150mph.

I didn't "randomly" do anything. It arose from a discussion (which became an argument) on another site.

All you need is the vehicle's frontal area, drag coefficient and weight. Plug the speed in and you get the power required (at wheel) out.

The wingmirrors are easy to measure - take their value off the frontal area (you can take their weight off if you feel like it, but weight is such a minimal factor), plug the speed in again and you get the power required (at wheel) out again. This time it's lower.

[Metar]

Jim Prower

no, actually, as long as those scoops work, I like it. I think they look a little better!

Well, then it's yours for 155$, as of now...

[TheCracker]

i love this bit...
"This particular Carrera GT will be the envy of most Ferrari's and Lamborghini’s when you park and the doors go up, 90 degrees in fact"

After the Lambo and Ferrari owners have stopped laughing their asses off at your $80k body kitted Boxter. Give them a Koenigsegg style movement and they might envy your doors.

[Metar]

But Famine, where do you find all those bits of information, like the drag coefficient (getting confused with the unknown english words), and what do you need to know providing you know how the frontal area looks like?

(BTW: What thing is it exactly, that is "IN MY STUMUK"? I mean, what micro-organism is it?)

[slidesquad#1]

Famine

Actually, it has to be said that wing mirrors do kill you for speed.


So you'd be surprised at just what effect wing mirrors can have. But they're compulsory on the track (and in the UK you must have at least the driver's side wingmirror and any one other mirror - so you can knock the passenger side one off and get 4mph extra... ).

Or do that, AND shave the door handle on that side for even more mad tyte top speedage.

Sure, the mirrors give you more top end, but I'm still not convinced the lack of practicality is worth the earodynamics (which, I've just figured out, is the lack of wind noise you might get if the mirrors were still in place. It's better for your ears).
There's always going to be someone quicker than you on the track, especially because VERY few tracks have the kind of straights required for any normal car to hit speeds ~150mph (thats cars like the Golf or Rover, not your gazillion horsepower Bugatti or the like), and being able to see them before the shove themselves down the inside seems more important than being 4/8 mph closer on the straights.

And, Burnt_Clutch: How many people with track cars do you know who have shaved one side of their vehicles? I actually do track days, and can honestly say I'm yet to see a serious track car with shaved ANYTHING, except maybe badging.

[Metar]

slidesquad#1

And, Burnt_Clutch: How many people with track cars do you know who have shaved one side of their vehicles? I actually do track days, and can honestly say I'm yet to see a serious track car with shaved ANYTHING, except maybe badging.

Oh yeah, those standing Mercedes badges sure create a lot of drag
And you'll better not get run-over by one. That badge will cut through...

*remmembers a Simpsons episode* There's this one episode when Bart is run over by Mr. Burns, who drives, I think, a Mercedes. In court, Bart describes the accident as if Mr. Burns went mad and started using the badge as some sort of aiming device... *finishes quoting*

[TheCracker]

slidesquad#1

Or do that, AND shave the door handle on that side for even more mad tyte top speedage.

Sure, the mirrors give you more top end, but I'm still not convinced the lack of practicality is worth the earodynamics (which, I've just figured out, is the lack of wind noise you might get if the mirrors were still in place. It's better for your ears).
There's always going to be someone quicker than you on the track, especially because VERY few tracks have the kind of straights required for any normal car to hit speeds ~150mph (thats cars like the Golf or Rover, not your gazillion horsepower Bugatti or the like), and being able to see them before the shove themselves down the inside seems more important than being 4/8 mph closer on the straights.

And, Burnt_Clutch: How many people with track cars do you know who have shaved one side of their vehicles? I actually do track days, and can honestly say I'm yet to see a serious track car with shaved ANYTHING, except maybe badging.

I very much doubt that this Golf will ever go anywhere near a track, not with such little clearance between wheel arch and tyre. It would shread them within a couple of spirited laps.

It's also fairly poor as a show car with one un-shaved door handle. Either shave both or leave them as they are, it looks half done as it stands.

[Famine]

Gingiba

But Famine, where do you find all those bits of information, like the drag coefficient (getting confused with the unknown english words), and what do you need to know providing you know how the frontal area looks like?

Manufacturers will provide it, but there's also other online resources for vehicle stats.

The frontal area is simply the widest, tallest amount of car. If you look at a car dead-on and draw the outline, that's what the engine has to push through the air, and that's what the air resists by pushing back. Manufacturers will provide that too.

Gingiba

(BTW: What thing is it exactly, that is "IN MY STUMUK"? I mean, what micro-organism is it?)

Salmonella.

[McLaren]

TheCracker

i love this bit...
"This particular Carrera GT will be the envy of most Ferrari's and Lamborghini’s when you park and the doors go up, 90 degrees in fact"

After the Lambo and Ferrari owners have stopped laughing their asses off at your $80k body kitted Boxter. Give them a Koenigsegg style movement and they might envy your doors.

Thanks for pointing that out. Did these folks not realize Diablo owners make up the biggest percentage of Lamborghini owners (Next to Gallardos), and that their doors in fact raise up to? Some folks are too funny.

[daan]

Spotted this today







And the pièce de résistance, although some might like to call it a piece of something else...

[GT40 MKII]

looks like half the cars from where im from...