Duplicates car list?

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Hey guys and girls, I was just having fun with the almighty app "apex something something" and having a look at the car database. I remembered having seen duplicate cars such as the Vauxhall/Opel all being the same and the Renault Sport Clio/Lutecia sca... but I found a few more from Mazda... any way I would like to know if some of you have already taken the trouble of documenting this and could tell me how many they are.

So the ones I found are Mazda Demio being the same as Mazda 2, the Altezza which is a duplicate of the Mazda 6 and Cosmo Sport being there again as a 110S.

IMO this is just for keeping the car count. I wish PD could just release the next game saying "it has many cars" avoiding this borderline scammy practice.

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Such a list depends on what definition of "duplicate" you want to use. E.g. the Mazda2/Demio is interesting, because the Mazda2's PP-figure is 1 higher than the Demio, although everything else we can see is identical.

The following criteria can be used to define duplicates:
  • Make (There's duplicates like Opel/Vauxhall, Lexus/Toyota, Nissan/Infiniti, ...)
  • Price (although, if it is a duplicate and has a different price, there's some exterior difference mostly, like the Skyline R34 MNP's, even if it's just the colour)
  • Year (e.g. Honda/Acura HSC '03/'04, S2000 '03/S2000 (US) '04, ...)
  • Power (unexplainable differences for obvious duplicates, e.g. Honda Dualnote/Acura DN-X)
  • Weight (e.g. Nissan March 12c/Micra '03 - different by 10kg, hence 1PP difference, everything else the same)
  • PP (see Mazda2/Demio above)
  • Torque (curve): (some have slightly different torque curves, although that will mostly also change the PP-figure)
  • Exterior: (rear wing on Hyundai Coupe/Tiburon/Tuscani '01 - performance & else identical)
For myself I have two definitions of it. A duplicate in the narrower sense is every car that is the exact same underneath (i.e. in performance). That means that power, weight and PP have to be the same to constitute a duplicate. A duplicate in the wider sense would also include those that essentially are the same car, but differ only very slightly (either by mistake, or by a minute difference). The Mazda2/Demio would fit the wider definition.

For an exact count, I would have to consult my own list (which I don't have access to at the moment), but I estimate the number of duplicates to be somewhere around 200 (by my definitions).
 
I did something like this for standard cars a little while back, but as snowgt says, peoples definitions of duplicate and unique vary a lot. This lead to the thread i made pretty much becoming an argument over what cars were unique enough and which weren't but, if your after an approximate number I can give you one.

There is about 275 duplicate standard cars, according to a unique car meeting one of these criteria...
- The only car of a specific model generation included in the game
-The best performing model of various similar cars of a specific model generation unless significant differences in appearance power, weight or drivetrain are apparant.

It's hard to explain, so here's the link. Hope this is sorta what you were after...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...t6-now-publicly-editable.312781/#post-9844748
 
snowgt
Such a list depends on what definition of "duplicate" you want to use. E.g. the Mazda2/Demio is interesting, because the Mazda2's PP-figure is 1 higher than the Demio, although everything else we can see is identical.

The following criteria can be used to define duplicates:
  • Make (There's duplicates like Opel/Vauxhall, Lexus/Toyota, Nissan/Infiniti, ...)
  • Price (although, if it is a duplicate and has a different price, there's some exterior difference mostly, like the Skyline R34 MNP's, even if it's just the colour)
  • Year (e.g. Honda/Acura HSC '03/'04, S2000 '03/S2000 (US) '04, ...)
  • Power (unexplainable differences for obvious duplicates, e.g. Honda Dualnote/Acura DN-X)
  • Weight (e.g. Nissan March 12c/Micra '03 - different by 10kg, hence 1PP difference, everything else the same)
  • PP (see Mazda2/Demio above)
  • Torque (curve): (some have slightly different torque curves, although that will mostly also change the PP-figure)
  • Exterior: (rear wing on Hyundai Coupe/Tiburon/Tuscani '01 - performance & else identical)
For myself I have two definitions of it. A duplicate in the narrower sense is every car that is the exact same underneath (i.e. in performance). That means that power, weight and PP have to be the same to constitute a duplicate. A duplicate in the wider sense would also include those that essentially are the same car, but differ only very slightly (either by mistake, or by a minute difference). The Mazda2/Demio would fit the wider definition.

For an exact count, I would have to consult my own list (which I don't have access to at the moment), but I estimate the number of duplicates to be somewhere around 200 (by my definitions).
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Thank you for that. Following your categorization I am mainly interested in Make, Year and well... Model. I know you didn't put model there but that would be a case such as the Demio/Mazda 2. It they have different PP it shouldn't really matter to us since that is just a number given by PD, I mean fine if they want to alter it just to makes us think they are different they can go ahead but they don't fool me. Same goes for weight, if they re-badge say an Opel Tigra and put it as a different as a Vauxhall Tigra and change the weight by 1KG it is still the same car plus we can always perform a weight reduction or put some ballast to increase it, there is no need for having both they just do it to pad the car count.

I found a couple more the other day which were a bit funny and they are the Pontiac Vibe GT and the Toyota Voltz S.



Hayden
I did something like this for standard cars a little while back, but as snowgt says, peoples definitions of duplicate and unique vary a lot. This lead to the thread i made pretty much becoming an argument over what cars were unique enough and which weren't but, if your after an approximate number I can give you one.

There is about 275 duplicate standard cars, according to a unique car meeting one of these criteria...
- The only car of a specific model generation included in the game
-The best performing model of various similar cars of a specific model generation unless significant differences in appearance power, weight or drivetrain are apparant.

It's hard to explain, so here's the link. Hope this is sorta what you were after...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...t6-now-publicly-editable.312781/#post-9844748
Click to expand...

Thank you for that Hayden it was very useful. I will try to do something similar but with photos to show how they are scamm:censored: us. Now it is funny to see they have also padded the count with Premium models and I am not talking about the Nascar cars, they have put about 20 Base models, you have +10 Stealth cars and they threw in the Chromium line, there are also those "specially tuned by GT and given a new livery..."

I would be happy to have 400 unique cars all premium and not feel like they are trying to cheat.
 
A good form of finding duplicates which are exactly equal is using the search function, with cars between price A and B, and sort them by price. Then they will appear right next to each other.

We should put the complete list in the OP
 
G91V
A good form of finding duplicates which are exactly equal is using the search function, with cars between price A and B, and sort them by price. Then they will appear right next to each other.

We should put the complete list in the OP
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I have been very busy, I'll try to get it going. I'm also absolutely horrible for this kind of things. But any way thanks for that tip and also if you find a copy paste car let me know. thanks again :)
 
This is circa GT5. I was too depressed about GT6's ultimate refusal to fix basic things to spend enough time with it to update it, but it's much worse (due to the new Premium duplicates, as well as nonsense like the Base models and Stealth models being included in the car count). It's also what I would consider extremely generous because if I wasn't sure about a car (like the Japanese Honda S2000 yearly variations) I just left them off even when it seemed pretty obvious that they were duplicates, nor did I include any of the duplicates where both of them were Premium cars (like the Suzuki Swift), though I'm still wary of including the Dodge version of the Viper GTS-R:


S Acura DN-X Concept '02
S Acura HSC Concept '04
S Aston Martin DB9 Coupe '03
S BMW M5 '05
S Daihatsu Cuore TR-XX Avanzato R (J) '97
S Daihatsu SIRION CX 2WD (J) '98
S Daihatsu SIRION CX 4WD (J) '98
S Daihatsu SIRION X4 (J) '00
S Dodge Viper GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car '00
S Fiat 500 F '65
S Ford Ford GT '05
S Ford Ford GT '05 (No Stripe)
S Ford Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II
S Ford Mustang GT '05*
S Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '91
S Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '92
S Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '93
S Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '98
S Honda JAZZ 1.4 DSi SE Sport '01
S Honda S2000 (EU) '99
S Honda S2000 (EU) '01
S Honda S2000 (EU) '03
S Honda S2000 (US) '99
S Honda S2000 (US) '01
S Honda S2000 (US) '04
S Honda S2000 Type V (EU) '00
S Honda S2000 Type V (EU) '01
S Honda S2000 Type V (US) '00
S Honda S2000 Type V (US) '01
S Hyundai Coupe FX '01
S Hyundai Tuscani '01
S Infiniti G20 '90
S Lexus GS 300 '91
S Lexus GS 300 '00
S Lexus GS 300 Vertex Edition (J) '00
S Lexus IS 200 '98
S Lexus IS 200 (J) '98
S Lexus IS 300 Sport Cross '01
S Lexus SC 300 '97
S Lexus SC 430 (EU) '01
S Lexus SC 430 (US) '01
S Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10A) '67
S Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10B) '68
S Mazda Mazda2 '03
S Mazda Mazda6 5-door '03
S Mazda Mazda6 Concept '01
S Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car
S Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
S Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
S Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
S Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
S Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
S Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91
S Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
S Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) '89
S Mazda MX-5 Miata 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
S Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
S Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
S Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
S Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91
S Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
S Mazda MX-5 Miata SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
S Mazda MX-5 Miata S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
S Mazda MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
S Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
S Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
S Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
S Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
S Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
S Mazda Protegé '02
S Mazda RX-7 GT-LIMITED (FC, J) '85
S Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC, J) '90
S Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD, J) '91
S Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD, J) '93
S Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD, J) '96
S Mazda RX-7 Type R-S (FD, J) '95
S Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '92
S Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '93
S Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '95
S Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '96
S Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren '03
S Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R V-spec N1 base '00
S Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '95
S Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '98
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '95
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '96
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '98
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '95
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '96
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '98
S Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (J) '98
S Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '95
S Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '96
S Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '98
S Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR TOMMI MAKINEN EDITION '00
S Nissan 200SX '96
S Nissan 240SX '96
S Nissan 240SX (S14) '96
S Nissan 240ZG (HS30) '71
S Nissan 300ZX 2by2 (Z32) '98
S Nissan 300ZX 2seater (Z32) '89
S Nissan 300ZX 2seater (Z32) '98
S Nissan 350Z (Z33, EU) '03
S Nissan 350Z (Z33, US) '03
S Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car
S Nissan 350Z Roadster (Z33, EU) '03
S Nissan 350Z Roadster (Z33, US) '03
S Nissan Fairlady Z Version ST (Z33 Option Wheel) '02
S Nissan MICRA '03
S Nissan PRIMERA 20V (EU) '01
S Nissan SKYLINE GT-R Special Color Midnight Purple II (R34) '99
S Nissan SKYLINE GT-R Special Color Midnight Purple III (R34) '00
S Nissan SILVIA K's (S13) '91
S Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) '99
S Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport 2.0 16V '02
S Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00
S Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport V6 24V '01
S Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport V6 Phase2 '03
S Scion xA '03
S Scion xB '03
S Toyota MR2 Spyder '99
S Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) '02
S Toyota Yaris F (J) '99
S Toyota Yaris RS 1.5 (J) '00
S Toyota Yaris RS Turbo (J) '02
S Toyota Yaris U Euro Sport Edition (J) '00
S Vauxhall Astra Super Touring Car '00
S Vauxhall Calibra Super Touring Car '94
S Vauxhall Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01
S Vauxhall Tigra 1.6i '99
S Vauxhall Vectra 3.2 V6 '03
S Vauxhall VX220 '00
S Vauxhall VX220 Turbo '00






*The 2007 Premium model is technically an automatic, but it isn't modeled like one and both cars are modeled so poorly in general that I don't consider the distinction important.
 
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Tornado
This is circa GT5. I was too depressed about GT6's ultimate refusal to fix basic things to spend enough time with it to update it, but it's much worse (due to the new Premium duplicates, as well as nonsense like the Base models and Stealth models being included in the car count). It's also what I would consider extremely generous because if I wasn't sure about a car (like the Japanese Honda S2000 yearly variations) I just left them off, nor did I include any of the duplicates where both of them were Premium cars (like the Suzuki Swift), though I'm still wary of including the Dodge version of the Viper GTS-R:


S Acura DN-X Concept '02
S Acura HSC Concept '04
S Aston Martin DB9 Coupe '03
S BMW M5 '05
S Daihatsu Cuore TR-XX Avanzato R (J) '97
S Daihatsu SIRION CX 2WD (J) '98
S Daihatsu SIRION CX 4WD (J) '98
S Daihatsu SIRION X4 (J) '00
S Dodge Viper GTS-R Team Oreca Race Car '00
S Fiat 500 F '65
S Ford Ford GT '05
S Ford Ford GT '05 (No Stripe)
S Ford Ford GT LM Race Car Spec II
S Ford Mustang GT '05
S Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '91
S Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '92
S Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '93
S Honda CIVIC TYPE R (EK) '98
S Honda JAZZ 1.4 DSi SE Sport '01
S Honda S2000 (EU) '99
S Honda S2000 (EU) '01
S Honda S2000 (EU) '03
S Honda S2000 (US) '99
S Honda S2000 (US) '01
S Honda S2000 (US) '04
S Honda S2000 Type V (EU) '00
S Honda S2000 Type V (EU) '01
S Honda S2000 Type V (US) '00
S Honda S2000 Type V (US) '01
S Hyundai Coupe FX '01
S Hyundai Tuscani '01
S Infiniti G20 '90
S Lexus GS 300 '91
S Lexus GS 300 '00
S Lexus GS 300 Vertex Edition (J) '00
S Lexus IS 200 '98
S Lexus IS 200 (J) '98
S Lexus IS 300 Sport Cross '01
S Lexus SC 300 '97
S Lexus SC 430 (EU) '01
S Lexus SC 430 (US) '01
S Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10A) '67
S Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10B) '68
S Mazda Mazda2 '03
S Mazda Mazda6 5-door '03
S Mazda Mazda6 Concept '01
S Mazda Mazda6 Touring Car
S Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
S Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
S Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
S Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
S Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
S Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91
S Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
S Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) '89
S Mazda MX-5 Miata 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
S Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
S Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
S Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
S Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91
S Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
S Mazda MX-5 Miata SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
S Mazda MX-5 Miata S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
S Mazda MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
S Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
S Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
S Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
S Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
S Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
S Mazda Protegé '02
S Mazda RX-7 GT-LIMITED (FC, J) '85
S Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC, J) '90
S Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD, J) '91
S Mazda RX-7 Type R (FD, J) '93
S Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD, J) '96
S Mazda RX-7 Type R-S (FD, J) '95
S Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '92
S Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '93
S Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '95
S Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (FD, J) '96
S Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren '03
S Mine's BNR34 SKYLINE GT-R V-spec N1 base '00
S Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '95
S Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '98
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '95
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '96
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SL (J) '98
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '95
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '96
S Mitsubishi 3000GT SR (J) '98
S Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (J) '98
S Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '95
S Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '96
S Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo (J) '98
S Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR TOMMI MAKINEN EDITION '00
S Nissan 200SX '96
S Nissan 200SX (S14) '96
S Nissan 240SX '96
S Nissan 240SX (S14) '96
S Nissan 240ZG (HS30) '71
S Nissan 300ZX 2by2 (Z32) '98
S Nissan 300ZX 2seater (Z32) '89
S Nissan 300ZX 2seater (Z32) '98
S Nissan 350Z (Z33, EU) '03
S Nissan 350Z (Z33, US) '03
S Nissan 350Z Concept LM Race Car
S Nissan 350Z Roadster (Z33, EU) '03
S Nissan 350Z Roadster (Z33, US) '03
S Nissan Fairlady Z Version ST (Z33 Option Wheel) '02
S Nissan MICRA '03
S Nissan PRIMERA 20V (EU) '01
S Nissan SKYLINE GT-R Special Color Midnight Purple II (R34) '99
S Nissan SKYLINE GT-R Special Color Midnight Purple III (R34) '00
S Nissan SILVIA K's (S13) '91
S Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) '99
S Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport 2.0 16V '02
S Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00
S Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport V6 24V '01
S Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport V6 Phase2 '03
S Scion xA '03
S Scion xB '03
S Toyota MR2 Spyder '99
S Toyota MR2 Spyder (6MT) '02
S Toyota Yaris F (J) '99
S Toyota Yaris RS 1.5 (J) '00
S Toyota Yaris RS Turbo (J) '02
S Toyota Yaris U Euro Sport Edition (J) '00
S Vauxhall Astra Super Touring Car '00
S Vauxhall Calibra Super Touring Car '94
S Vauxhall Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01
S Vauxhall Tigra 1.6i '99
S Vauxhall Vectra 3.2 V6 '03
S Vauxhall VX220 '00
S Vauxhall VX220 Turbo '00
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Wow that's a huge list, to give credit to PD they did delete some cars. These are the ones where you had two versions of the car one as a standard and one as a premium, for instance the Jaguar XJR-9 '88
 
No NSX's on that list, it can't be possible!

My personal favourite "S Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren '03", Grrrrrr!!!
 

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