GT5′s New Tire Degradation Dynamics Explored

Gran Turismo 5 December 28th, 2011 by Famine

Amongst the listed changes for GT5′s v2.02 update earlier this month was an adjustment to the tire wear speed. Up until this point players had been used to the three tyre compounds within each grade – Racing, Sports and Comfort – wearing at relatively similar rates while offering different outright grip levels. The soft tires were the racers’ obvious choice for grip without a tire life penalty.

After the December update this changed and the softer tires no longer had the same longevity as the harder compounds. The exact nature of this change has been the source of some debate on the GTPlanet forums, however GTP member chuyler1 has put together a very nice analysis of the current tire wear rates on the Racing grade tires that members planning to participate in longer races will find very useful.

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January 1st, 2012 at 3:55 pm - #

pepsibottle1

MR2 + Racing Softs = Tire hell. Muahahahahaha
- January 3rd, 2012 at 3:29 am - #
  
  StanceDude
  
  My mr2 is crazy on racing soft haha, Corvettes get more grip than those! :P
December 31st, 2011 at 1:40 pm - #

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December 31st, 2011 at 5:42 am - #

Buzz17091991

Good change.
It wasn’t logical that soft tires have the same longevity like hard tires.
December 30th, 2011 at 12:37 pm - #

Amphibious82

Lol
December 30th, 2011 at 10:24 am - #

HugoReyes-8

MEH .. you still can’t blow a tire in GT5 so how is this “The Real Driving Simulator”!!
- December 30th, 2011 at 11:27 am - #
  
  TokoTurismo
  
  @HugoReyes-8 Ahem. You wanna know why.. Because it’s not a “Racing Simulator”, it’s a “Driving Simulator”. Did you forget or are you just purposely trying to complaining. Please don’t start thank you…
- January 6th, 2012 at 12:39 pm - #
  
  HugoReyes-8
  
  Hey Tokyo got some news for ya .. everybody “Races” in GT5 hence the desire for tire punctures.
December 29th, 2011 at 6:31 pm - #

wheresmadug

Cant cope with this new tyre wear on soft tyres… Can some one please point me in the right direction to a set up that helps save my front tyres….
December 29th, 2011 at 6:11 pm - #

Grand Prix

Thanks for using that 787B shot!
December 29th, 2011 at 5:06 pm - #

Blood*Specter

And I think you are 100% right HKS. So they need to take some stats and get hot. If nothing else, they have to make clear distinctions between cars, past present and future. Looks like F1 and the Red Bull X’es will have to be classified differently for tire ware mode and perhaps even physics. But that actually makes the task less hard for PD to manage. The more they are able to divide the cars into specific classes, the easyer their job will be, and the more realistic the simm will become.

I think they can pull it off. Especially looking at how far they have already come. It may not be 100% accurate, but it will be pretty close. And light years ahead of every other driving simm out there. The PS4 might have to have expandable memory.
Something else to buy…..yes. But the GT game would blow everything else away. And memory is now pretty cheap :)
- December 29th, 2011 at 6:23 pm - #
  
  HKS racer
  
  Well I think PD always kept GT series into sim/cade bundaries, they simplifyed lot of things compared to other products (pc sims). Now with GT5 we have good/great FFB, an enjoyable driving experience but it’s time to move further into simulation, expecially all the aspects and features not strictly related to FFB, I’m talking about flag rules, race weekends, tyres/oil/engine/brakes temperature, multiclass racing, proper tyre wear for different type of cars, gaps related to all the drivers not only P1 (crucial for strategies)… ecc ecc. I think all GT users after playing GT5 are more than ready to deal with a full blown simulator. Even GT5 could be one if they add all those features needed, so it’s all about PD’s vision, will they keep adding childish stuff like horns, museum cards, 200.000 helmets and suits? Or they’ll go for a full blown sim with GT6 (hopefully keep patching GT5)?
December 29th, 2011 at 2:19 pm - #

Blood*Specter

Forgive the long post:

I definitely like the change but I hope the tire model is tweaked. IDT the PS3 has enough computing power to handle every aspect of the tire model. For example: temperatures, down force weight and track surface irregularities for each circuit, for each car (up to 16) simultaneously. (There are so many more) That would take a dedicated chip.

PD must first strictly define the cars into four classes:

1. Racing Cars: (TC, NASCAR, GT300, GT500 Rally, LM, LMP, F1, RM GT1/2/3)
2. Tuned: (User modifications and Specialty shops like Amuse, Opera…ECT)
3. Stock: (No mod and no specialty cars included)
4. Arcade/Open: (Any thing you want race against anything else all mods allowed)

If this is executed well, there will be no more arguments about what a racing car, street car or tuned car actually is. Once that is done, they will be able to build a tire ware model that will work for each class of car according to the track it’s running on and the weather conditions. Please don’t forget rain tires PD.

Then restrict the type of tires for each type of car. Racing car? Then use racing tires.
Tuned or user modified car? Use sports tires.
Driving a new stock car from dealership? Use comforts.

Of course, some cars are sold with exotic sports tires when you buy them, so find out which cars come with which tires and equip them that way from the dealership.
I doubt a Prius comes with the same type tires that a GTR come with from the dealer.
And that same Prius doesn’t have the same tires as a Prius TC.

For the record using Nurburgring 24h as the model:
Racing soft=4 laps
Racing Medium=7 laps
Racing Hard=10 laps

Of course the smother the car is driven, the longer the tires will last.
- December 29th, 2011 at 4:21 pm - #
  
  HKS racer
  
  “Race cars” is too generic because F1′s have totally different compounds compared to Super GT or Nascar.
December 29th, 2011 at 8:19 am - #

deadcat777

Instead of shortening the lifespan of soft compound, they should increase the lifespan of hard compound instead.
December 29th, 2011 at 7:41 am - #

pipi_r6

I don’t like this new tire wear, it’s not real, the soft tires likes the qualification tires, you can do 3 fast laps ???

if don’t change that GT5 end for me, simple like that!!!
- December 29th, 2011 at 8:49 am - #
  
  HKS racer
  
  Did you read the anyalisis by chuyler1? I guess no. The problem is not racing soft tyres, the problem is racing hard. Even if they last longer most of times they are simply not fast enough to be worth using them.
  
  Another problem is young silly kids pretending racing soft tyres to last more than 20 laps.
- December 29th, 2011 at 9:34 am - #
  
  SimonK
  
  Even the soft F1 tyres can do 10-15 laps, more on some less abrasive tracks.
- December 29th, 2011 at 9:53 am - #
  
  TokoTurismo
  
  You do know why GT5 is called is called, the real driving simulator” right? You should thank chuyler1 for discorving this hard work. No I don’t want to start a agurement or anything, but I’m happy chuyler1 found out about this. Thank you very much chuyler1, you rock. :)
- December 29th, 2011 at 9:54 am - #
  
  TokoTurismo
  
  You do know why GT5 is called is called, the real driving simulator” right? You should thank chuyler1 for discorving this hard work. No I don’t want to start a argument or anything, but I’m happy chuyler1 found out about this. Thank you very much chuyler1, you rock. :)
- December 29th, 2011 at 9:56 am - #
  
  pipi_r6
  
  GT1 cars!!! lol, just kidding
  
  Racing softs, betwwen 12 : 15 laps,
  Mediums 15 : 18
  Hard softs 18:21
  
  Nascar cars. soft tires 14 laps, lol thats really happens???
- December 29th, 2011 at 10:14 am - #
  
  TokoTurismo
  
  You were joking? Darn it. lol :)
- December 29th, 2011 at 10:55 am - #
  
  pipi_r6
  
  Excuse I explained me wrong
  what i want to said is this,
  
  the tires need to do this laps.
  
  Racing softs, between 12 : 15 laps
  Mediums 15 : 18
  Hard softs 18:21
  
  and not 8 with softs 11 with mediums and 14 with hards.
  
  thats is my opinion about the tire wear.
- December 29th, 2011 at 11:16 am - #
  
  Tenacious D
  
  pipi, I agree, but this is better than Racing Softs lasting about as long as Racing Hards. Maybe this can be tweaked a bit in an update, but I don’t expect dramatic changes. If tire wear wasn’t accelerated somewhat, GT5 wouldn’t have much pit strategy at all.
- December 29th, 2011 at 12:42 pm - #
  
  HKS racer
  
  Well let’s say every different motorsport discipline have different tyre wear values and grip. I remember some years ago in F1 qualifing tyres ran out pretty quickly. Even this year in some circumstances soft compound didn’t last more than 7 or 8 laps.
  It really depends on what discipline we are talking about. No doubt GT endurance cars have different wear values from F1′s. Problem with PD is they “simplified” it using the same wear with every type of car.
December 29th, 2011 at 7:24 am - #

HKS racer

Thanks for this tyrewear news in homepage. I was looking for something “official” like this, so thanks for the tip!
December 29th, 2011 at 4:37 am - #

ICEYOU

What about Nascar?
December 29th, 2011 at 1:25 am - #

DILUSI

i love this change but whats it really matter %92 of the online rooms use all asist and turn tire wear off anyway
December 29th, 2011 at 12:36 am - #

marktyper

Nice!!! The analysis helps me realize that Soft compound is still the best for grip races and endurances for the gaps… Cause I know that even you use Soft in Endurance, while the RH is staying cool (tire wear wise) , the RS is obviously expanding the gap…
PLUS, I realized and felt too that the update of 2.02 affected some changes in the tire wear of Soft compunds.. I usually use Racing and Sports soft lately cause I realized the potential of expanding the gap right away compare to Using RM.
THANKS to chuyler1 for the analysis! I’m planning to make some analysis too about Sports Soft and Racing Soft differences :) Cheers!
December 29th, 2011 at 12:04 am - #

VspecZR1GT2RS89

This some great info there, thanks chyuler for the info!!! This will mean more tests. But I would love to see a test with comfort tires and sports tires as well to see how they will match up to the new update. That will be great! :)
December 28th, 2011 at 10:15 pm - #

TokoTurismo

My birthday persent. :D Thank you Grand Prix, Kaz, and PD. :) I agree with montecarlo87, this does make GT5 more real. So awesome I say. ;)
December 28th, 2011 at 8:45 pm - #

lozzy1234567890

Completely of topic, but what happened to the forums?
- December 28th, 2011 at 8:57 pm - #
  
  akmuq
  
  Not sure but check GTPlanet.org(links to a twitter feed) to keep updated.:)
December 28th, 2011 at 8:28 pm - #

SaintSaiya

I wish gt5 had damageable tranmission and grinding gears!! >:(
- December 29th, 2011 at 1:41 am - #
  
  Witless76
  
  “Ease down, Ripley, you’ve blown the Transaxles! You’re just grinding metal!”
- December 29th, 2011 at 4:55 am - #
  
  MadmuppGT
  
  That would mean Game Over Man, Game Over…
December 28th, 2011 at 8:23 pm - #

Nicktune

Good job again Huyler!Nice work expanding our first test!