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		<title>By: editor</title>
		<link>http://www.gtplanet.net/more-gran-turismo-5-release-date-confusion/comment-page-1/#comment-1276</link>
		<dc:creator>editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[In response to a 2010 release:] I’m a racing fan, pure and simple, and this just smacks of pure ignorance and disregard for supporters of the title.

    Polyphony think they are the God’s gift to racing genre, bar none, and I seriously believe it will cost them dearly. However, I also see many blinded fans simply saying, “oh that’s all right, they know what they are doing, I’d rather wait, . . . they can do anything they want . . I’ll just sit on my hands for the next 2 years . . blah blahh blahh” If I was a full paying member of the Sony Fraternity, I’d be setting up pickets at Poloyphony’s studios front doors.


Grant,

If you really are a writer for a publication, online or offline, you need to start proof-reading your articles, bud. There&#039;s so many things wrong in that article, I don&#039;t know where to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[In response to a 2010 release:] I’m a racing fan, pure and simple, and this just smacks of pure ignorance and disregard for supporters of the title.</p>
<p>    Polyphony think they are the God’s gift to racing genre, bar none, and I seriously believe it will cost them dearly. However, I also see many blinded fans simply saying, “oh that’s all right, they know what they are doing, I’d rather wait, . . . they can do anything they want . . I’ll just sit on my hands for the next 2 years . . blah blahh blahh” If I was a full paying member of the Sony Fraternity, I’d be setting up pickets at Poloyphony’s studios front doors.</p>
<p>Grant,</p>
<p>If you really are a writer for a publication, online or offline, you need to start proof-reading your articles, bud. There&#8217;s so many things wrong in that article, I don&#8217;t know where to start.</p>
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		<title>By: gtfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>gtfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow so let me get this straight we are waiting 10 friggin years for this game to come up, when was gt4 released?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow so let me get this straight we are waiting 10 friggin years for this game to come up, when was gt4 released?</p>
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		<title>By: Flagmo-T aka FOB_MoFF_Two</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flagmo-T aka FOB_MoFF_Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add, so you get a little more knowledge of the long Sony Movie..

Some of the other Game Titles/3D Technical presentations, in this long recording is still not out on the streets yet! and word up! we are talking 2005, so it&#039;s a very interesting show! and a straight point into the many stories that comes along in this the long waiting we already have had, but be sure PD is putting all the manpower into GT5 HD, they wont make a half game, not this time, neither will KillZone2 or the Boxing game, or the title &quot;Unreal&quot; presentation, in these games they show so many layers of New Gaming experiences, that is still to come.. Whammy..  be ready for a great ride. and sure! Lots of Boring Numbers is said, (: But Hey`why should they lie! the numbers is a lot higher´ under the PS3 Name..;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add, so you get a little more knowledge of the long Sony Movie..</p>
<p>Some of the other Game Titles/3D Technical presentations, in this long recording is still not out on the streets yet! and word up! we are talking 2005, so it&#8217;s a very interesting show! and a straight point into the many stories that comes along in this the long waiting we already have had, but be sure PD is putting all the manpower into GT5 HD, they wont make a half game, not this time, neither will KillZone2 or the Boxing game, or the title &#8220;Unreal&#8221; presentation, in these games they show so many layers of New Gaming experiences, that is still to come.. Whammy..  be ready for a great ride. and sure! Lots of Boring Numbers is said, (: But Hey`why should they lie! the numbers is a lot higher´ under the PS3 Name..;)</p>
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		<title>By: Flagmo-T aka FOB_MoFF_Two</title>
		<link>http://www.gtplanet.net/more-gran-turismo-5-release-date-confusion/comment-page-1/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagmo-T aka FOB_MoFF_Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have until now been very patient, and I my honest opinion, If the Quality OF GT5 will be like the first GT5-HD/Vision Trailer from The Sony E3 Conference in 2005, then It&#039;s really worth waiting for, even if it&#039;s not gonna arrive until in 2010 (Look at the Trailer) 

But I must Say out LOUD, That with the presentation of What! the PS3 is capable of delivering as a Graphics standard, It will blow us so much away, that we will spend the first couple of hours exploring the virtual World of GT5 breath taking actually, I really look forward to have a brilliant Racing/Gaming experience as Real Racing, and with GT5, i&#039;m sure of getting it, big time, but I&#039;m still not convinced that PD can and will deliver the Wast uses of Polygons ( Lots of details, Cloning the world around us) that this Baby (PS3) can produce. 

Well Yes! I will make more mistakes while i&#039;m waiting, and you will make more mistakes, the Stories will come, and the will move, But we are still Waiting and will still be waiting!! and Still having a awful patience for Gran Turismo 5 arrival.

What Will ArrivE And WheN. ? : Your Turn ;)

 FOB_MoFF_Two
 ClanFOB.co.uk

PS..Sony / PD Movie Links.

Link to a Long exiting video of the Sony Conference 2005 ( PS3 Technical and WOW)
-
This is the Movie of the whole show Run time:about 1 hour 
(only SD quality - Higher quality demands a membership.)
 http://s.streamingmovies.ign.com/ps3/article/615/615091/sonyconfe32005_051605_full_wmvlow.wmv
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If that doesn&#039;t work, then this will, press the free version http://ps3.ign.com/dor/articles/615091/e3-2005-sony-press-conference-full-length/videos/sonyconfe32005_051605_full.html?download=true

I have it downloaded and that is better quality!   your pick ;)
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Link to the GT5 Vision / HD Demo trailer 2005. ( WOW)
(Old! I know) &quot;But very useful, this is what we are promised to have&quot; and it can be done!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOPO7swloAI

HappY New`Year :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have until now been very patient, and I my honest opinion, If the Quality OF GT5 will be like the first GT5-HD/Vision Trailer from The Sony E3 Conference in 2005, then It&#8217;s really worth waiting for, even if it&#8217;s not gonna arrive until in 2010 (Look at the Trailer) </p>
<p>But I must Say out LOUD, That with the presentation of What! the PS3 is capable of delivering as a Graphics standard, It will blow us so much away, that we will spend the first couple of hours exploring the virtual World of GT5 breath taking actually, I really look forward to have a brilliant Racing/Gaming experience as Real Racing, and with GT5, i&#8217;m sure of getting it, big time, but I&#8217;m still not convinced that PD can and will deliver the Wast uses of Polygons ( Lots of details, Cloning the world around us) that this Baby (PS3) can produce. </p>
<p>Well Yes! I will make more mistakes while i&#8217;m waiting, and you will make more mistakes, the Stories will come, and the will move, But we are still Waiting and will still be waiting!! and Still having a awful patience for Gran Turismo 5 arrival.</p>
<p>What Will ArrivE And WheN. ? : Your Turn ;)</p>
<p> FOB_MoFF_Two<br />
 ClanFOB.co.uk</p>
<p>PS..Sony / PD Movie Links.</p>
<p>Link to a Long exiting video of the Sony Conference 2005 ( PS3 Technical and WOW)<br />
-<br />
This is the Movie of the whole show Run time:about 1 hour<br />
(only SD quality &#8211; Higher quality demands a membership.)<br />
 <a href="http://s.streamingmovies.ign.com/ps3/article/615/615091/sonyconfe32005_051605_full_wmvlow.wmv" rel="nofollow">http://s.streamingmovies.ign.com/ps3/article/615/615091/sonyconfe32005_051605_full_wmvlow.wmv</a><br />
-<br />
If that doesn&#8217;t work, then this will, press the free version <a href="http://ps3.ign.com/dor/articles/615091/e3-2005-sony-press-conference-full-length/videos/sonyconfe32005_051605_full.html?download=true" rel="nofollow">http://ps3.ign.com/dor/articles/615091/e3-2005-sony-press-conference-full-length/videos/sonyconfe32005_051605_full.html?download=true</a></p>
<p>I have it downloaded and that is better quality!   your pick ;)<br />
&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Link to the GT5 Vision / HD Demo trailer 2005. ( WOW)<br />
(Old! I know) &#8220;But very useful, this is what we are promised to have&#8221; and it can be done!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOPO7swloAI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOPO7swloAI</a></p>
<p>HappY New`Year :D</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.gtplanet.net/more-gran-turismo-5-release-date-confusion/comment-page-1/#comment-680</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s how I feel Jordan,

As it helps readers understand what has happened, plus it engages them into discussion regarding other issues. Not having it there simply looks like hiding . . and in all honesty, no one should hide, so long as they have attempted to make amends and move forward.

I find it sad in this day and age we have drop to the lowest common denominator with some factions demanding things be withdrawn if it doesn&#039;t suit them. I have found that if we enter into conversation around topics, both can come away with a new viewpoint, a new understanding and be better off for it.

There was an issue once with a Too Human item we had, and once sorted, Dyack himself came to the site and praised the site for doing what it could, and he then followed the on going articles we ran on the game (Too Human) . . . 

If we had of followed some critics advice and simply withdrawn our comments, simply because it was at opposites to theirs, the whole thing would not of created further dialouge which brought many ppl to the site, and certainly many new RSS feeds. Simply because we stuck to our guns, yet at the same time, making sure it was clear and cleaned up where necessary . . .

Without conversation, &#039;possibility&#039; simply does NOT exist - period. So if we don&#039;t converse (in an adult and civil manner) then all parties lose out in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s how I feel Jordan,</p>
<p>As it helps readers understand what has happened, plus it engages them into discussion regarding other issues. Not having it there simply looks like hiding . . and in all honesty, no one should hide, so long as they have attempted to make amends and move forward.</p>
<p>I find it sad in this day and age we have drop to the lowest common denominator with some factions demanding things be withdrawn if it doesn&#8217;t suit them. I have found that if we enter into conversation around topics, both can come away with a new viewpoint, a new understanding and be better off for it.</p>
<p>There was an issue once with a Too Human item we had, and once sorted, Dyack himself came to the site and praised the site for doing what it could, and he then followed the on going articles we ran on the game (Too Human) . . . </p>
<p>If we had of followed some critics advice and simply withdrawn our comments, simply because it was at opposites to theirs, the whole thing would not of created further dialouge which brought many ppl to the site, and certainly many new RSS feeds. Simply because we stuck to our guns, yet at the same time, making sure it was clear and cleaned up where necessary . . .</p>
<p>Without conversation, &#8216;possibility&#8217; simply does NOT exist &#8211; period. So if we don&#8217;t converse (in an adult and civil manner) then all parties lose out in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is certainly no need for hard feelings.  On the subject of posts based on information that was later found to be incorrect, pulling an article is a disservice to readers.  A clear amendment which highlights the inaccuracy does far more to spread the &#039;truth&#039; than a blank page or 404 error.  For example, Grant&#039;s article has been linked to around the web, with a headline incorrectly touting a 2010 release for Gran Turismo 5.  With his updates clearly posted at the top of the page, all those visitors will immediately learn the &#039;real story&#039;, and the trail of misinformation comes to an end.

Contrast this with PS3Center.net&#039;s blank page.  Their visitors are left clueless and confused, without any clarification, corrections, or accurate information.  In my opinion, that&#039;s a much greater offense to the web community.

Of course, it can be considered a moot point, anyway.  Grant&#039;s article is not so much a piece of news as it is an argument against Polyphony Digital&#039;s development cycle.  Although the inaccuracy of the Import Tuner interview date obviously weakens it, it can still be made while contributing to the healthy exchange of ideas and opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is certainly no need for hard feelings.  On the subject of posts based on information that was later found to be incorrect, pulling an article is a disservice to readers.  A clear amendment which highlights the inaccuracy does far more to spread the &#8216;truth&#8217; than a blank page or 404 error.  For example, Grant&#8217;s article has been linked to around the web, with a headline incorrectly touting a 2010 release for Gran Turismo 5.  With his updates clearly posted at the top of the page, all those visitors will immediately learn the &#8216;real story&#8217;, and the trail of misinformation comes to an end.</p>
<p>Contrast this with PS3Center.net&#8217;s blank page.  Their visitors are left clueless and confused, without any clarification, corrections, or accurate information.  In my opinion, that&#8217;s a much greater offense to the web community.</p>
<p>Of course, it can be considered a moot point, anyway.  Grant&#8217;s article is not so much a piece of news as it is an argument against Polyphony Digital&#8217;s development cycle.  Although the inaccuracy of the Import Tuner interview date obviously weakens it, it can still be made while contributing to the healthy exchange of ideas and opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: NK</title>
		<link>http://www.gtplanet.net/more-gran-turismo-5-release-date-confusion/comment-page-1/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>NK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least having some information is better. Though in a possible way, it attracts people in a way. Who knows, probably at those times there are expected dates and soon its going to change. They have done that to tons of games in the past and even canceled the brightest ideas also( I.E. Star Craft: Ghost, Duke Nukem : Forever.) There are willing updates for Star Craft 2, Diablo 3. It even took Bungie along time to actually release some information about Halo Wars and  now we are getting Halo :Recon. I believe that we are still waiting on GT mobile on the PSP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least having some information is better. Though in a possible way, it attracts people in a way. Who knows, probably at those times there are expected dates and soon its going to change. They have done that to tons of games in the past and even canceled the brightest ideas also( I.E. Star Craft: Ghost, Duke Nukem : Forever.) There are willing updates for Star Craft 2, Diablo 3. It even took Bungie along time to actually release some information about Halo Wars and  now we are getting Halo :Recon. I believe that we are still waiting on GT mobile on the PSP.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.gtplanet.net/more-gran-turismo-5-release-date-confusion/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough AI . .We did amend the article, place the update with links etc and make it clear there is/was confusion around the issue, as well as appologize . . .

As soon as we did find out the error, which was several hours later, we posted the links and first update, then, when someone else gave us this link, and the work Jordan did in going through the process, we posted that immediately, and even told ppl who visited our site to first check the links out and even amended the date on the site.

I&#039;m not sure what else we can do other than that . . . short of removing the article, but my comments around developers doing such things still stands, which is the basic argument of the article really. 

And yes, I get it that it is/was a joke mate, no biggy . . . . .BTW, All the best for the New Year to all, and trust that it brings peace and harmony between gamers (as well as man) across the globe. Yes I know, wishful thinking, but hey . . one can dream . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough AI . .We did amend the article, place the update with links etc and make it clear there is/was confusion around the issue, as well as appologize . . .</p>
<p>As soon as we did find out the error, which was several hours later, we posted the links and first update, then, when someone else gave us this link, and the work Jordan did in going through the process, we posted that immediately, and even told ppl who visited our site to first check the links out and even amended the date on the site.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what else we can do other than that . . . short of removing the article, but my comments around developers doing such things still stands, which is the basic argument of the article really. </p>
<p>And yes, I get it that it is/was a joke mate, no biggy . . . . .BTW, All the best for the New Year to all, and trust that it brings peace and harmony between gamers (as well as man) across the globe. Yes I know, wishful thinking, but hey . . one can dream . . .</p>
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		<title>By: AI</title>
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		<dc:creator>AI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Grant

I agree with Brad actually mate. No information is better than mis-information. As a publisher/editor of any news giving organisation surely you hold a responsibility to make sure the information you give is correct. If you discover an error the article should be amended or removed/replaced. That shouldn&#039;t be too hard and would not cause confusion. I dont think Brad is trying to have the last word, just conveying a point on which he feels strongly. I&#039;m sure his is not a personal attack but merely one born out of past experiences of relying on mis-information only to be biten hard on the ass by the truth. 

Personally I do like to have the last word on any subject so don&#039;t test me punk!

A.I.

PS - that last bit was just a joke, not an invitation to any argumental &quot;blog-off&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Grant</p>
<p>I agree with Brad actually mate. No information is better than mis-information. As a publisher/editor of any news giving organisation surely you hold a responsibility to make sure the information you give is correct. If you discover an error the article should be amended or removed/replaced. That shouldn&#8217;t be too hard and would not cause confusion. I dont think Brad is trying to have the last word, just conveying a point on which he feels strongly. I&#8217;m sure his is not a personal attack but merely one born out of past experiences of relying on mis-information only to be biten hard on the ass by the truth. </p>
<p>Personally I do like to have the last word on any subject so don&#8217;t test me punk!</p>
<p>A.I.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; that last bit was just a joke, not an invitation to any argumental &#8220;blog-off&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brad

What is it with you mate ??

Can you NOT read or is it that you want to get the last word in . . . DO you want me to lay down on the ground and say sorry just for YOU or something . . ?  You are the ONLY one making this bigger than it is on your site, N4g and this site as well as ours . . give it a rest please, the info stays on the site and the Preamble and updates explain the situation, along with my explaination.

Good god mate, let it rest will you ! We all make mistakes . . . end of story basically.

Yes I agree, checking sources is the best way to go, but at times, with HUGE time differences, it can make it REALLY difficult to verify some sources. You do realise we are in Australia, which is up to 15-19 hours in front of the US . . . so time wise it can be a nightmare at times.

And, believe it or not, sites do not all run on love and passion alone. They do need $$ to survive, and $$ comes from advertizing and sponsorship etc. Without which, many sites simply would not exist. We do not live in a utopian world, unfortunately, but we do live in one that requires $$ for it to survive and grow.

Our site, contrary to your opinion of how well it is laid out or reads, is doing quite fine thank you very much. We have a solid readership that grows each month, and we&#039;re ranked reasonably high and moving forward. We get a great deal of feedback from ppl outside the industry commenting on the site, and its improvements each month. It&#039;s far from anything like finished, and will undergo changes in the new year each month.

We continue to work on constantly. No site is perfect, without exception. But we all strive to maintain it the &#039;best we can&#039; given the tools and knowledge we all have. Just like this site here. Jordan works on it consistantly to improve it and probably dedicates many hours to it daily without remuneration (to the level it really should do rewarded). 

Our site gets NO INCOME at present, and as you may well know, simply having a site on the net requires a great deal of dedication, personal time and commitment, not to mention personal $$ investment before it even looks like getting any return. I am personally on a disability pension, and have been for well over 2 decades, which is definitely not a fun way to live a life. And I can tell you now, that $$ is NOT abundant on a pension of any kind. So if we do get $$ reward at some stage, we will look at ways to optimise that where possible.

All sites make mistakes, again, without exception. The trick is to learn from them and continue moving forward. And in doing so, strike up alliances with other sites, bodies and individuals so that others may contribute i their own way. 

Can we not simply allow this to fall by the wayside and move forward - please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brad</p>
<p>What is it with you mate ??</p>
<p>Can you NOT read or is it that you want to get the last word in . . . DO you want me to lay down on the ground and say sorry just for YOU or something . . ?  You are the ONLY one making this bigger than it is on your site, N4g and this site as well as ours . . give it a rest please, the info stays on the site and the Preamble and updates explain the situation, along with my explaination.</p>
<p>Good god mate, let it rest will you ! We all make mistakes . . . end of story basically.</p>
<p>Yes I agree, checking sources is the best way to go, but at times, with HUGE time differences, it can make it REALLY difficult to verify some sources. You do realise we are in Australia, which is up to 15-19 hours in front of the US . . . so time wise it can be a nightmare at times.</p>
<p>And, believe it or not, sites do not all run on love and passion alone. They do need $$ to survive, and $$ comes from advertizing and sponsorship etc. Without which, many sites simply would not exist. We do not live in a utopian world, unfortunately, but we do live in one that requires $$ for it to survive and grow.</p>
<p>Our site, contrary to your opinion of how well it is laid out or reads, is doing quite fine thank you very much. We have a solid readership that grows each month, and we&#8217;re ranked reasonably high and moving forward. We get a great deal of feedback from ppl outside the industry commenting on the site, and its improvements each month. It&#8217;s far from anything like finished, and will undergo changes in the new year each month.</p>
<p>We continue to work on constantly. No site is perfect, without exception. But we all strive to maintain it the &#8216;best we can&#8217; given the tools and knowledge we all have. Just like this site here. Jordan works on it consistantly to improve it and probably dedicates many hours to it daily without remuneration (to the level it really should do rewarded). </p>
<p>Our site gets NO INCOME at present, and as you may well know, simply having a site on the net requires a great deal of dedication, personal time and commitment, not to mention personal $$ investment before it even looks like getting any return. I am personally on a disability pension, and have been for well over 2 decades, which is definitely not a fun way to live a life. And I can tell you now, that $$ is NOT abundant on a pension of any kind. So if we do get $$ reward at some stage, we will look at ways to optimise that where possible.</p>
<p>All sites make mistakes, again, without exception. The trick is to learn from them and continue moving forward. And in doing so, strike up alliances with other sites, bodies and individuals so that others may contribute i their own way. </p>
<p>Can we not simply allow this to fall by the wayside and move forward &#8211; please.</p>
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