New GT6 Engine Sounds Could be Included in Game Update

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Polyphony Digital’s new engine sounds likely won’t be included in Gran Turismo 6 when the game is released this December. However, they could be changed in a future game update, according to an interview with Kazunori Yamauchi from EuroGamer.

kazunori-yamauchi-thumb“I think I mentioned this in the past, but we’re really working to change the fundamental way that the engine sound works,” Kazunori Yamauchi said during a press session at Polyphony Digital’s Tokyo office. “Right now I have a feeling that it might not make it for day one for GT6.”

When pressed on updating the sounds via update, Yamauchi responded that “There’s a good possibility that we might do this.”

Kazunori last mentioned the game’s new engine sounds in my interview with him at E3 in June, where he confirmed the sounds in the game demos were placeholders, and that Polyphony was working on generating the sounds in “a completely different way”.

Kazunori also confirmed to EuroGamer that game save data from GT5 would not transfer over to GT6, citing that GT5’s data has already been “cracked” and could lead to further compromises in GT6.

Night racing should be improved as well, as Yamauchi noted, “the dispersion of light from the headlights has advanced greatly from GT5 to GT6.”

Thanks to Roberto for the quick tip!

Comments (418)

  1. porschedrifter

    Well… I say do it right PD and thank you, take as long as you want. I’m skipping GT6 anyway, unless they do a PS4 release. Whatever GT version comes out first on PS4 I’ll pick up.
    I’d rather they not rush things, and take shortcuts.

  2. Brache

    This is starting to be a turn off for me. The seemingly cryptic way we are given information. In this day and age of selling extra product, one would think they would outline what will be coming so we will be salivating with anticipation.

  3. tpark103

    I love that this is staying in the forefront and I do hope that it gets some attention as it seems to be the true bone of contention for some fans.

  4. TruGenTimeless

    What I wouldn’t mind is the option to set headlights to sidelight, low-beam to high beam or make manual full control or auto like in real life.in real cars.

  5. Alfasudson

    I may be a bit late in this forum, but I almost fell off my chair with laughter & simply had to write something. I read in one of the posts that someone thinks Menu Music more important than engine sounds ??? Is this a joke ??? It could only be a joke or you may have nothing better to do other than simply to create this type of argument. Each to their own I guess to a certain point, but if you are supposedly a car lover & love driving & you honestly believe that in Gran Turismo menu music is more important than engine sounds then you are truly delusional & misguided in your life !!!

    1. Magic Ayrton

      Haha so true, the guy is weird, especially considering you can change menu music and put your own in.. doesn’t say much about his personal cd collection does it lol.

    2. Alfasudson

      @ Magic Ayrton, yeah haha, I just don’t get it ? It’s not only one guy though, I mean isn’t one of the common things that most of us car nuts love the sound of an engine & it’s exhaust note, whatever your taste may be, screaming
      V12, burbing V8, howling V10, whistling turbo, coughing & spitting 4 cylinder carbie, rotary, etc etc ? Anyway like another guy said here too, it’s good that this is well out there to hopefully get attended to …

    3. SnakeOfBacon

      oh god… that was me that said I’d prefer the old menu music back rather than car sounds…. I worded that badly, I’d love for the sounds to be improved and they really should be, but the things I had listed were some of the other crucial things I thought future GT games needed. Truth be told I just really loved the old OSTs and would love to see them remixed but whatever, I shouldn’t have put that at the top of my list. If it was only the sounds getting improved that would be great, but I’d love to see more tracks, Day/Night/Weather, cars etc.

    4. Magic Ayrton

      I understand now snakeofbacon, would be a good idea to add that old stuff in.. Alfasudman, yes Engine sounds that are 100% authentic would add so much to the game :-)

  6. Lupo

    Well… I suppose that it would be impossible to explain to anyone who doesn’t see the sound improvement as important the pleasure that many others (like me) have when hearing certain motors on real life. Even it is just a simple start-up of the engine…
    On the other hand there are people that give more priority f.i. to… “menu music” ?! Go figure…For that I use Spotify.

    1. jbishop60

      I nearly did a ‘TokoTurismo’ and refused to stop reading after the first item, but the other items are fair enough. At least they are actually connected to the driving experience!!

  7. SnakeOfBacon

    honestly, sure sounds are important, I love some nice V12 music, however there is a very long list of GT things more important to me than sound.
    – Isamu Ohira’s menu music
    – Rally Driving
    – All the old, and sadly missing, tracks
    – Day/Night Cycles
    – Weather
    – The Renault Espace F1
    – I could go on

    1. jbishop60

      Menu music is MORE important to you than realistic in game engine, exhaust, cockpit and environmental sounds? Are you trolling?

    2. porschedrifter

      Menu music/game music is a non-issue for me. I had it off and used my own playlist for the entire game.

  8. TokoTurismo

    You know, I’ve always wanted to ask this. Why is sounds the “only” important thing? You can’t see it, you can’t drive it, all you can do is hear it. Like I understand that we really need it, yes we truly do, but it’s just sounds. It can’t be the only important we need you know…

    I have other racing games like NFS that have these “sounds”, but after awhile they become boring… You seriously can’t tell me that you play racing games for only sounds and nothing else. Then what’s the point of having a livery editor and customization if ANGRY HATERS are going to whine about only wanting sounds!

    1. Foxiol

      I´ll tell you only one thing Toko. Tell all that to a blind guy. If he only can listen to things, those things should sound like they are (if they have/make a sound of course).
      Same logic applies here, we have cars, we can drive them, see them and listen to them…BUT they don´t sound like cars. That is the problem.

      Now the livery editor and customization thing can enhance the online experience and enrich a little the SP component since it gives you something more to spend your time in the game.
      In rFactor, iRacing or whatever simulator on PC…if you want to race in leagues with friends or groups…you need to start a “team”…and then you need to make LIVERIES for that team so you can be recognized in the race/competition. Is YOU the one that it is racing…YOUR TEAM, YOUR CAR, YOUR SETUPS. All that need customization. No more no less.

      I want both things as you can see. Why whine/cry/get angry about this? Because we (or at least great part) fans and costumers who are going to pay for the game…WANT those things.

      Do you buy stuff that you don´t like at all or don´t have all what you require? I guess not, well some people does the same with everything.

      I´ll probably get the game, but what I want the most is not there yet. Physics, tyre, suspension hell yes can make me buy the game since I put simulation above all…but sounds and customizations are needed as well.

    2. myopinion11

      Foxiol: i totally agree with you, if the cars doesnt sound real it takes the driving feeling away, like example the Mercedes C9 a very cool and fast car but instead it should sound a american v8 it sounds like a whining cat, same with the gt one. I MEAN WTF!!!!
      and to those who says it takes some time to get sound to 1200 cars, the thing is i think PD is really stupid to have so many car if they cannot make all cars with interior and the right sounding noises. Its good to have so many cars but with half of the cars still from PS2 era after 8 years the release of gt4, ITS A JOKE!!! I have lost most of my respect to Kaz after reading this article, but i will propably by gt6 beacuse luckely i have online connection so the update is no problem but for some who doesnt have online its a bit different thing. Im not that impressed of gt6 so far but i hope im wrong. CHEERES :)!

    3. TokoTurismo

      ^ I know I right? As soon as he said that, I instantly stopped reading… I like how fans of GT are considered blind now just because they love the series. Fans or not, that’s why I just ignore the haters and whiners.

      Sorry Foxiol, I really wanted to read your post. But since you brought up the word “blind”, I refuse.

    4. jbishop60

      Seriously? Foxiol is of course totally and utterly right, at least in the reasoning in his first paragraph. Why are you guys so dismissive ?

    5. TokoTurismo

      Yes, I know that he’s already right. However, the fact that he thrown in “blind” made me not want to read his post at all.

    6. forzaturismo

      sounds is not the “only” important thing, but its a thing very important in a car videogame.
      Because when u hear a symphony of a V12 for example thats give u more power to do ur best in the game.

    7. Johnnypenso

      Sounds along with physics and graphics, make up the triad of sensory data that fuels immersion. You need all three to really be fully immersed. Crappy looking cars with good sound and physics or crappy physics with good sound and good looking cars detracts from your ability to cross the line between videogame and reality. For many I’m sure sounds are low on the totem pole. If you have to keep the sound down at home out of respect for others or you are playing through a tv or a plastic $299 system with 14 speakers, I can understand how sounds would be low on the list. But many of us, including me, have a kickass sound system, capable of reproducing with great accuracy, all the sounds a car at speed will make. So when you have a beautiful car, on a beautiful track, that handles like a dream…but sounds like a (insert analogy here), it really is disappointing. It makes it more gamelike.

    8. TokoTurismo

      Yeah keep thinking that fool, not wasting my time with you… I know this is important, but I’m not going to keep crying about this when it was said it will be addressed. But yet, it’s still a problem, so I don’t even understand some of you here. -_-

    9. Alfasudson

      Toko, use your brain, if you have one, to realise that you are alone here mate, I don’t know you personally of course, but you come across as a bit of an idiot to me …

    10. TokoTurismo

      As a matter a fact I do have a brain, sir. Sure, I’m alone on this, but that’s just fine by me. I may sound like an idiot to you (not that I care if you do), but that’s just my thoughts. I don’t care for engine sounds all that much, but I’m excited to see it come in an update in the future. :P

      If you still want to think I’m an idiot, than whatever, I don’t really care. I won’t disagree that I did sounded like one anyway. ;\

  9. jbishop60

    From the mention of ‘mini disc recording’ this article could be reasonably old, but still an interesting read on the subject of recording engine sounds for games.

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131344/capturing_engine_sounds_for_games.php?print=1

    Personally, I think as time and technology progresses we should be expecting to see every aspect of the game improve. For me it’s about simulation, creating a virtual reality. All of our senses should be stimulated to the point you can suspend your belief of reality. To be fair I’m fortunate enough to have a pretty unique setup so when I’m playing I’m ‘there’. I’m not sat on my couch with a dual shock and a 22inch tv.

    Personally (again) I care less for everything around the actual act of driving and racing. For example, menus are not important to me. Ultimately they will do their job, but it’s not why I bought the game. I bought the game to go racing.

    And with that in mind, sounds are a massive part of the immersion and therefore really important. Gt5 is quite sterile in the sounds area and i do look forward to the improvements coming. The pops and bangs, down shift blips, that wobbling engine sound when you hit the apex curbs at 100 mph, the stones hitting the underside of the car etc etc.

    If you care about the game gt has always strived to be ( the real driving simulator) then you would care about the sounds. They are just as important as the visuals, physics and ai.

    And anyway, it’s not that difficult, just get this guy to record them!! ;)
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6gpH-WHSnL8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6gpH-WHSnL8

    Also, yes they make good money, but making this virtual world for our enjoyment is probably quite flipping difficult!! Some appreciation of how far we’ve come since the arcade days of out run and Grand Prix might be required!!! Gt6 probably isn’t going to be the jump up we would all like, but its unlikely to be rubbish. And yes ok, I’m also already waxing lyrical about gt7 on the ps4. Now that better be the jump up we all expect!!! :)

    1. jbishop60

      Toko! Tut tut, i expect more from you!! ;)

      Suggesting sounds are less important than visuals is naive. I was playing the last of us last night and the sound engineering in that game is astounding! Any triple a game worth it’s salt will have taken the time to get the sounds right.

      If you just use GT as a ‘pick up and play for 10 minutes’ game, then you might have a point. But if you sit in your rig, fire up the triple screen projectors, buttkickers, t500 rs, ScentAirs Etc etc, then sounds become important. It’s the total simulation packag that your looking for.

      To be honest, I’ve never had a massive issue with GT sounds, but the more I play it, the more I become aware of it, and the more I realise there is big room for improvement, which in my mind is a good thing, Kaz knows it needs doing otherwise he wouldn’t be talking about it.

  10. Chameleon9000

    TO ALL HATERS! Stop being stupid! if PD and kaz are going to improve the sounds of this game, it could take a while. i mean, 1200 or so cars, do any of YOU want to go around, recording sounds for every single engine pitch for 1200 cars, then program them into the game so that it actually corresponds with the RPM of the car being driven? No, i didn’t think so. you would literally have to record the sounds coming out of an engine at 0, 50, 100, 150, and so on RPM, just so that you get a smooth interchange in engine pitch whilst driving, for 1200 FRIGGING CARS! This would be allot more time consuming than everyone is making out. want the game to be delay another century, so be it, but honestly, i would stop talking.

    1. Chippy569

      so you’re suggesting that cars should continue to sound mediocre compared to every other racing game on the market solely because it’s “too much work?” What you’ve basically just said is that when GT13 comes out, all of the cars that are currently “standard” quality should stay as “standard” quality because who wants to go back and remodel all those interiors and exteriors to look better anyway, it’s too much work.

  11. tpark103

    Nobody can take down the King of Sims!! It’s going to be released on Dec. 6th and everybody in here is going to buy it. All the complainers (going to buy it), all the whiners (going to buy it), and all the hate filled little boys and girls that have nothing better to do with there time but, come in here and nit pick at all the little things that they can find to try and make them feel better about whatever (YOUR GOING TO BUY IT). It’s a simple fact. The king is back and it’s will continually be improved.

    Hahahaha

    1. TokoTurismo

      If PD delays GT6, you know you’ll hear even more complaining… They need to release GT6 this year or else, theres no turning back this time.

    2. tpark103

      Plz don’t delay the game. I’m all for bringing on what you have and patch ping the heck out of it. I’m so over GT5 already. It’s the only game in my PS3.

    3. MuoNiuLa

      And you think a delayed game is better? Did you even play GT5 when it was first released? Because that game was delayed too.

    1. MeanElf

      GT5’s infrastructure wasn’t made for updating, but they did it. GT6’s coding is more modular and can take the updates as well as new content without game performance being affected.

  12. BeastAgent98

    So all of these people are disappointed because we WILL be getting better sounds in the game, just not when they want them.
    Sounds to me like a bunch of spoiled little kids LOL. I could be just kidding…

  13. Falcon787B

    I really don’t understand how, six games down into the series, they still can’t seem to get the sound right. At this point I’d take slightly non-realistic sounds at least if they make sense – as in, make the V8s sound like loud throbbing V8s. Give us something sonically powerful. Not just a dull hum. (insert generic hoover joke here).

    GT6 is looking amazing, but I’m disappointed that time and again they seem to be let down with the sound.

    1. tpark103

      It’s not the sound it’s your TV. It’s sound great on mine. My whine-O-meter just went off the chart. Somebody get this kid a tissue.

  14. EAO-HarleyMan

    I can live with the engine sounds as they are my problem with the sound is. I wish that they would fix the engine sound of the car that you are driving, so that when you are in a tight pack, you can at least hear your own car engine to be able to shift gears by the sound of the engine, without having to keep looking down at the rpm gauge to shift. In other words the way it was when GT5 came out before they screwed around with the sound. Or put in a feature to adjust your own engine sound up or down as woud suit each driver’s personal taste.

    1. MeanElf

      Nah, plenty of folks don’t mind but they don’t necessarily come on here. It’s what half of the annoyed ones are complaining about – apparently those who don’t mind are responsible for the fact that the game sounds do not meet their standards, or somesuch.

    2. Quigz125

      ive never been into GT for just the sounds. in fact i don’t even care if the car sounds like a weedwacker. as long as the car goes when i press the accelerator and stops when i press the break, thats all i care about. the sounds will just be an added bonus when they arrive. sounds have not and will not ever stop me from buying a GT game.

    3. BloodyThunderX

      Not at all.

      I for one don’t see the sounds as large of a priority, unlike to other people, who seem to treat it as if not improving it will be the end of the world. Sure, new engine sounds would be a welcomed feature and would help make the game even better, but I just don’t see why it has to be THAT important. I found a decent amount of stock exhaust notes in GT5 to be pretty decent, it was just when tuned up or was a race car or some sorts, that’s when they don’t sound as good.

      The sounds will never stop me from playing Gran Turismo. The driving is what’s most important to me, and hopefully, people will soon understand that. I’m not sure if they even imagine how stressed Kazunori might be, that he has to deal with this backlash so often, and on how hard he’s trying to please as many as he can, whilst still trying to perfect his game as much as possible.

  15. AlteredNicolas

    With the release of GTA V, the PS4 and the upcoming PS4 titles, i wasn’t that excited for GT6 but i was still going to buy it considering im a huge GT fan. But now after hearing that they wont make the engine sounds better which is really important for me in a racing game, im probably going to pass on this one and wait for GT7 for the PS4.

    1. MeanElf

      Where does it say they won’t be improving the sounds – says the improvements might well be delayed in the article I read, y’know, the one above…

  16. baja_j

    In the year 2013 and they can’t implement better sounds since gt5Seriously, I made better engine sounds as a child playing with my hot wheels.

    1. Lord Protector

      If they will be implemented through updates, then yes, of course they will be included in GT6 Academy Edition.

  17. GTHEAD87

    Before people sound surprised id adise you to shut the hell up. Kaz did say the new sounds wouldnt be in the game on release. Stop expecting high amounts from them. If you cant lump it, leave it. At least polyphony are actually listening and continuing to improve the sounds for moany b*****ds. I am one of these moanys who wants beter sounds, just clearing that bit up.

  18. magburner

    I think that KY and PD are waiting until they seal the hotly anticipated Dyson sponsorship deal. Under the deal, PD will have the exclusive rights to sample all of Dyson’s current range of bagless hovers, with an option to sampling some legacy models too. lol Seriously, come on PD pull it together will you!

  19. Magic Ayrton

    Well.. Just spent the money I had set aside for GT on GTA V not so gullible move.

    GT7 isn’t that far away anyway.

    1. MeanElf

      I bet you’ll be very disappointed with GTA V if it’s the driving your into the game for…very floaty and no sense of weight to any of the vehicles.

    2. another_jakhole

      Damn it. Rockstar announced a while back that the driving physics would be more advanced. Not the case entirely, then? Or not the case, period?

    3. Blurr905

      Actually the driving physics are much better in GTA 5. Cars feel much more weighted and don’t do backflips if you a hit a curb. Of course it doesn’t feel like GT, but it still has a very keen fun factor.

    4. MeanElf

      Not played it myself A_J but am citing a big fan from another site who isn’t too impressed. He says it is better than before but the central pivot feeling gets annoying and he reckons the lack of weight to the vehicles is quite noticeable. He is playing on a console version.

      The game though is still fun he says – just the driving is taking a lot to get used to, worse than NFS.

    5. Quigz125

      have fun with GT5 while the rest of us have fun with GT6, magic ayrton!!!!! we’ll tell you how the water is on the fun side in case u change your mind. your loss.

  20. Rionmoon

    I give up. I’ll just deal with the generic engine sounds. Obviously PD & Kaz don’t take this issue to seriously.

    The graphics are so well done (other than the blocky leaf shadows…and the craptastic quality of most shadows) but the sound is just going to remain mediocre to passable at best until GT7

    1. oneloops

      They realise that problem and that criticism about sounds too late.
      Even at GT5 reviews i don’t remember that was show like a game negative point.

      Regrettably PD let sounds like a less important thing than car modelling and graphics …

    2. oneloops

      “GT6 demo” sounds are far from perfection, also in comparision with maaaany others games, so we can demand some improvements there to a game who makes millions of sales and 150 people working in.

    3. another_jakhole

      We know that PD has been working on the new sound generation system for a few years, so that means going back to GT5’s development. What if he mentioned that back then?

    1. another_jakhole

      It’s sad, a bit. And those people like to think that a lot of us think that these sounds are perfect the way they are, they think. lol

      It’s annoying. That’s all.

  21. another_jakhole

    New GT6 Engine Sounds Could be Included in Game Update = 292 Comments in ONE Day

    Gran Turismo 6 Custom Tracks Could Span Over 2,500 Square Kilometers = 280 Comments

    wow

    1. another_jakhole

      And how is this article a cause for this backlash when Kaz his implying that the “new way of generating sounds” is close to be finished but likely won’t be coming to GT6 when it’s released. He said they can update GT6 to add this “new way of generating sounds” and people say nothing else but, “ANOTHER INCOMPLETE GT!!!”

  22. RacingOtaku86

    Sounds via game update? Okay, I’m fine with that. Not stopping me getting GT6, though.

    Non-transferable save data? Honestly, it makes sense, because GT5 saves are pretty much “cracked” as Kaz said. Say what you want haters, but I think its a good move.

    1. ScotteDawg

      That’s the spirit!

      Sounds will eventually be fixed via update. Current sounds are NOT “world endingly bad”! The GT series is/has been/will always be fun to play!!

      Seriously, those who wanted transferable game data are just lazy! Regardless of GT5 codes being “cracked”, it’s a new game, therefore you start from scratch…

    2. MuoNiuLa

      So video games are about hard work now? Since when? Keep in mind that some who want to transfer their save data only want to race online and not waste time dealing with the career mode.

    3. MeanElf

      In fairness MuoNiula, they’re playing the wrong game then. There are more than enough that cater for that and they should know after a little bit of checking around what GT entails.

    4. RacingOtaku86

      @ScotteDawg:
      Sound fixing has already been done in GT5 with the weider HSV-010, so having sound updates in GT6 makes perfect sense for me. Also, it makes no sense to transfer a GT5 save file, which has been cracked wide open, to a GT6 game where (ASSUMING GT6 is the same format as GT5, which it isn’t) people can hack and ruin the experience for us from day one? No thanks, start from scratch. We have before, this is no different.

      @MuoNiuLa:
      Are you the type that expects that everything should be opened up from day one, and go wild from there? MeanElf is correct, that type of people are playing the wrong game. You want something like that, play something else, like NFS Most Wanted ’12. You can buy the DLC that unlocks EVERY car and EVERY mod for said car, thereby eliminating the need to earn those things, which takes the fun out of that.

      @forzaturismo:
      Agreed. I worked my butt off to get where I am in GT5, and GT6 will not be different.

      Whew, thanks for letting me rant there. Its not often my post gets replies from others, and it feels good.

    5. sayba2th

      That’s a great call 86the HSV-10 was updated and sound a whole lot more like its real world counterpart! Yep it would be a shame not to work your way through a GT series although there may need to be change in the credits won in races versus the cost of cars in credits but nothing too major

  23. infamousphil

    So… DLC and game updates are the new way of.doing things? Think 6 will be finished before 7 renders it obsolete?

    Then what of 7? With online updates, will an 8 be nessesary?

    Again, I love this game, and will continue until something better comes along. I just don’t dig incomplete stuff and being lead about and teased to no end. Anyone think now, after all these years, we’ll see a complete GT? Think again, because I bet PD is now committed to a research, develope and update-as-you-go mode, as we text.

    Maybe it’ll be a good thing… A single disc for the front screen(s) and game updates/saves to plug in new environment, lighting and performance engines. The hackjobs will probably conspire to…

    I now wish Kaz would had keeped his trap shut ;)

  24. TokoTurismo

    Okay I know there are haters not getting GT6, so how about you just leave GTP as well while you’re at it thanks. Go play something else. You’ll make this place less embarrassing.

    It’s like I’m stuck in a dream where sounds is SOMEHOW an only problem, and its real! Not getting GT6 because of only sounds is such a dumb reason IMO. It’s like if the game shipped nothing but sounds, that’ll somehow be okay for the haters. NO it’s stupid, very stupid…

  25. FosterG

    Can I just pay for the part of the game that is finished and pay the rest later? Sound is a MAJOR part of the game, how many years does it take PD? Good thing I play more than just GT!

    1. omgsean1

      Hmm… You did read comments bellow include mine before? I did told people about sound, but no one listen what I did say about that. Now, I should do with this comment for everybody could read mine?

  26. HKSBro92

    Im actually more sad that theres no data transfer. I remember starting GT4 with 100, 000cr and all my licenses. My first car wasnt a miata or a civic…it was a freakin dodge viper :) *sigh* good times

  27. HKSBro92

    I might the minority here but I’ll just be the patient one and wait while continuing to play GT5, forza 4 & horizon and soon Need for speed rivals. Thats all we can really do….just wait and see what happens. I might sound a little too optimistic but what if some how PD managed to finish the sounds before December and release the patch like a week later? It could happen but hey…lets just wait and see

  28. omgsean1

    First of all, I don’t mind about sound as I want to drive all new cars first then rest of them later with new physic like aerodynamic model, suspension model, and tire model for more enjoy experience.

    Second, I am not Deaf player, but Hard of Hearing player who want to play this and many games while I mute sound because I don’t interest about them since people are still complain about this game have bad sound. But not that true as we already know they have placeholder sound because many new cars are done with model and put sound sample from another car for few weeks or months depend on employees.

    1. omgsean1

      Continue: Till PD will get real sound from car’s engine which need to close like intake, belts, pistons, and everything include exhaust note. However, that’s not easy to record all sound from angles because make sound sample take few days to weeks depend on cars which have different engine and exhaust does affect sound.

    2. another_jakhole

      Don’t worry. I get what you mean. I’m sure others do too, but we’re all too busy getting angry at people to say we agree with you :D.

    3. another_jakhole

      But yes, your second comment makes a very good point. The way the sound is produced in GT is advanced for many reasons. Now, PD just needs to “Hollywood-ize” them a bit.

    1. Pit Crew

      Sad thing is some of those same Haters will atleast play GT6, just so they can continue to assert their negativity in the forums.
      If they don’t they’ll feel left out of the continuing conversation concerning what we like about the game, ideas for OL lobbys and OL championships, upcoming DLC packs, the physics model once we can tune our cars, Rally, Street & Race, Drag & Drift vehicles alike, night racing on DRC or Spa, and the hopeful eventuality that engine notes will improve, especially once tuning parts are added.

      We already know what they won’t like in the game so who really needs to hear that for the millionth time.

    2. ScotteDawg

      I’d like it if Jordan, Famine or T-12 could work out who the major haters are and ban the from the site…

      Just saying.

    3. racingRAW

      I don’t see why people feel the need to argue and complain about things that PD has acknowledged as being an area that needs a lot of improvement. At least PD is generally very thorough with what they do.

      If anyone here are Forza fan boys or anything else, there is no need for trolling. We all have our cake, and we all think ours is better than everyone elses. But we all still get cake.

    4. Pit Crew

      Scottie Dawg, members get banned for violating the Authorized Use Policy, not for voicing their opinion , no matter if we like it or not.

    5. another_jakhole

      But he means that some of them are clearly trolling. I hate saying that word and know it’s technically banned from the site, but it’s clear that a few people are here to only do that.

    6. Pit Crew

      ^ I see nothing in AUP that states using the word trolling is a banning offence. Furthermore Scottie Dawgs OP is aimed at members for being disappointed with the news and thus taking a negative Point of View, which is not something to be banned over. Sounds more like bullying to me…

    1. 05XR8

      Technology is amazing isn’t it? A. Man has a vision. HIS vision. He sets about it for his pleasure and joy. Then wants to share it as best he can. He does it well and people buy into his dream. He makes improvements not at all thinking his dream is final. That’s what he chose to do. It’s all about the love of cars. If you feel it’s crap, know this: crap has fertilised many corners of the earth and many things good for us or bad for us, have grown from it. Peace.

    2. sayba2th

      05, duuuuuude, getting waaaaaay deep love it. I will + 10 simply because of that. This is something I have felt since day dot. Think of a gaming world WITHOUT Kaz and PD yeah no thanks. We have him to thank for raising the bar in the console world as its us the gamers who win.

    3. racingRAW

      05XR8, kudos.
      sayba2th I couldn’t agree more. I think people neglect the fact that Kaz and PD are perfectionists, and seem to refuse to include something in a game until they feel it is completely finished. People seem to be complaining that they are getting an ‘incomplete game,’ and therefore label it as garbage. I’d much rather them take their time and do it correctly for more than one reason: 1) It seems like the right thing to do; 2) That’s what PD has always done, and that’s part of why they are the developer they are.

  29. BWX

    More excuses Kaz and PD. I think you guys must be either lazy, or so disorganized and inefficient that the entire reason you exist is lost on you.

    You guys are very very bad at making, finishing, and releasing video games.

    I’m not buying any of this BS about the sounds being updated later on.. Why haven’t you been updating them for the last 5 years? Why are you waiting till after GT6 is released to do something you should have been doing since GT4?

    I have never bought an Xbox or a Forza game, so I don’t want to hear any of the BS “Forza fanboy” comments. I’m a GT fan if anything, at least I USED TO BE.. but Turn10 are wiping the floor with you guys KAZ/PD. Sony, Kaz, and PD should be embarrassed and ashamed of their output lately. Totally lame.

    1. BWX

      Oh, and this is more proof that GT6 will be nothing more than GT5.5. It’s basically going to be a big update that should have happened about 2 years ago in the first place, and they still haven’t updated the sounds, LOL.

  30. ZeroGamingHD

    The sounds for me is not a big deal for me, im still getting this game for the driving and the collection of cars that i loved since the first GT!

    1. MeanElf

      mef, you must be using a different dictionary to the rest of us to expect that non-comittal comment to slide. All of the interviews I have seen shout out comittal, all the way, in bold letters.

      You call PD non-comittal after changing a game engine for a same console release of their new title?
      You think PD is not listening when they come out and decide to re-do entirely how sound is processed and handled for the game?
      You got it all wrong hater – they’re absolutely comitted and they absolutely love the ****ing game they make.

  31. Pit Crew

    Not surprised the Engine notes will be improved thru updates, as Kazs original statement on the subject wasn’t definitive enough for me to think the upgrade would make it to GT6 on launch day. Still gonna play it till my wheel comes apart.

  32. Swagger897

    Im pretty sure that it was PD’s main purpose to set out to create the sounds from the car of all sounds of the engine. ENGINE SOUNDS ARE DIFFERENT FROM EXHAUST SOUNDS. Now that the previous sentence will draw in the non-negotiable incompetent fools on this site here we go…

    Games such as NFS for example, are only using the sounds of the exhausts, straight from the pipe, and nothing else. Forza for another comparison, also do the same, but add in other dynamic sounds to create a more fully rounded car sound. And the GT series tried to intake the entire sound system made by the car. So what exactly does GT do? Any sound such as the belts (note: you don’t hear the squeaky belts in the game. it is only the air that is stirred due to the movement) the transmission sounds, the whole lot. If you ever get to drive two cars, lets say a Dodge Ram 2500 24 Valve Turbo Diesel, the sound you hear when you are driving is the engine sound. It is completely different when you step out side and stick your ears directly from the pipe. However, if you are to get in a Supra with multiple upgrades to the car, the sound you hear from the inside is the exhaust noise, not the engine.

    (sit in these two cars and you will know exactly that)
    Until you do that, make sure you can tell the difference from cars with exhaust sounds and engine sounds. The R10 TDI (a broken car in the game) has sounds straight from the engine. But a Peugeot has sounds straight from the exhaust. Tell me it ain’t so because I would enjoy to prove you wrong.

    So.. (SEX) alright, now i have your attention still I hope. The main point of PD was to capture the sound in which best represents the car. You really cant say this however for the standard cars, as they are basically sounds imported from a data base, and not recorded with the real car… Get my drift?

    1. Steph290

      +1 …I agree! Most people don’t realize PD are trying to work in engine, exhaust, and transmission noise with a factual sound engine.

    2. 05XR8

      I’d like this to mean, we can start the engine and shut it off. As in driving free roam, park somewhere and begin taking photos in the track creator instead of accessing Photomode in replays.

  33. OriginalCheezIt

    Release, then add sounds as update. Skip the delayed release date scenario. PD has learned from their past mistakes. Well done.

    1. Swagger897

      Magic… you make absolutely no sense at all. Id rather have an unfinished game with the will to fix it for free rather than pay for something that is halfway done and pay…

    2. Hotrails17

      This makes complete sense. As a race fan, I enjoy all aspects of the sport.. especially the wonderful noises. I have an actual tuned stereo setup that can give straight chills in most all of the premium cars in the game as well as some of the standards. The engine and exhaust notes are fantastically accurate in GT5. Any true racing enthusiast will confirm this. Kaz and his team are not just some shmucks who likes to look at cars on the internet and plays video games for realism. These are true racing lovers who have actually crafted what they experience under real racing conditions that THEY have performed FIRST HAND.

      I will gladly take these sounds as a filler until the new beast of a sound generator that polyphony is creating is finally perfected. I love real racing and I love recreating that experience with an accurate and fully realistic video game. In this sense, Gran Turismo is truly the best in the business.

  34. DYLAN777-is-not

    Im so dissapointed that they didnt focus on the sound effects for gt6 but as long as theres an update that does a good job and isnt too far away like within a month or something then i can let it slide. Sound effects are just as important if not more important sometimes then even the graphics. My friend who isnt much of a gamer but a car guy, i let him play gt5 and he hated it straight away because his favorite car the c6 zr1 sounded so horrrrible. And it truely does. He does like forza4 because they got decent graphics and also great engine sounds. I mean they might as well sell the game in black and white. It isnt hard to get real engine sounds especialy if you are Kaz. Should be no excuse for this..

    1. another_jakhole

      “but as long as theres an update”

      They have been focusing on updating sounds. How else could they be updated?

  35. Magic Ayrton

    Shocked and speechless.. but ok, if and when the update appears I will consider buying.. too much of the same old same old.. I was so looking forward to it.. but Guess I’m one of the few people who thinks it’s important.

  36. KopparbergDave

    It frustrates me how itty bitty Polyphony seems to have become as a developer. Only some cars are Premium.. we’re releasing the game that GT5 basically should have been from the outset but we STILL won’t actually have it finished to the standard customers expect, and you can expect a patch for that later, and so on. Just hire enough talented coders and technicians etc and get the work done. GT6 could easily have been a dual format release for PS4 as well, or have just been made exclusively for the PS4 as a massive selling point (not that Sony need any as the PS4 is already way more attractive). I love Japan but I hate to say it, there’s something severely broken when a talented team, working on the highest earning racing game franchise, can have so many problems just releasing a finished game on time and with everything in place. They need to really sort out their working procedures as there must be some massive inefficiencies. Having read a few articles it’s clear Japanese game devs do fall behind their western equivalents, but some like Konami have looked at it and addressed their procedures from the top down, I think Polyphony need to do the same. We should have a day 1, or at least guaranteed year one, knockout GT release for the PS4 but sadly I imagine it won’t be til at least 2015 until we even hear any concrete news on that. I hate to be negative but when they constantly over promise and then disappoint, and delay, and focus on some really inane details meanwhile forgetting the basics. I mean, other lesser, far more quickly created games have had better sound, FAR better, more guttural, authentic sound. Why can’t the Polyphony team just get it sorted.

    There’s lots of apologists as well who give them too much slack. I highly respect Kazunori nd his team but my god they seem to operate at about a third the speed of other devs. Look at what the Project CARS team has managed since GT5 came out…. The GT series must have made hundreds of millions for Sony/Polyphony yet we keep having these problems. Bah, I await the epicness of GT7 on the PS4, I expect it to be mind blowing, but I think for now I’m skipping GT6 unless it shows clear improvements, not just in the technology, but also in the gameplay structure, I’m so sick of arbitrary license tests and racing in electric cars etc for 10 hours until I can buy some good cars to race. Just make the game a sandbox or else make it compelling to actually play through and earn things, currently it’s neither.

    1. Pit Crew

      GT6 a dual platform game? Why waste resources making GT6 for PS3 and PS4, when all you would get in the PS4 version would be better graphics for 1. It was never a good idea from jumpstreet, except among the masses of disgruntled peeps who felt GT6 on PS4 would fix GT5s shortcomings.

  37. HKSBro92

    I just want cars with inline 5 engines to sound as good as possible….especially the Audi quattro, both road and rally. They sound soo smooth and nice.

  38. jhw93

    This whole criticism with the engine sounds is something that has frustrated me for a long time, in my eyes its a false criticism. It started off as something for people to troll with and now its a popular “criticism” by “fans”. If your running GT5 with a TV speaker set then I can understand slightly, it does sound a little tiny and flat on tv speakers. However, when i upgraded to a high quality 2.1 speaker system the game sounds awesome. There are many cars in the game I find sound particularly good such as the viper srt 10, aston martin db9, mazda 787b, corvette c3 convertible and etc.

    In my eyes there was nothing drastically wrong with the engine sounds, the main difference with other racing games is that PD don’t add effects to make them sound more exciting. Games like NFS shift and forza add a lot of bass and distortion to make cars sound much angrier than they actually do, even little ford fiestas sound like wrc cars in those games. PD go for realism, so a car with a little 1.2litre engine is not going to sound aggressive.

    A lot of this is just fanboyism, not only do i feel sorry for PD but i also feel sorry for this site. People say “engine sounds like a vaccum cleaner” and then claim to be providing ‘constructive criticism’ and then also mention forza in the next breath and go on about how mighty that game is. Fanboyism is written all over it, I come here to get news on GT and as soon as theres good news like improved engine sounds, sniffling whiners drag it to the ground before its even been given a chance. This is not just with engine sounds either, its anything people can find to nitpick about, any news that’s positive to the slightest people faults with it.

    The even worse thing is PD can’t win, not matter what they do they get called lazy and incompetent by people who wouldn’t have the slightest clue how to develop a computer game. People are complaining in the comments section that the new engine sounds are not ready for launch, yet if PD said well now were gonna push the release back so we can have it in by launch people would moan about that. “I’m not buying this game, PD are let down bla bla bla” – Then don’t buy if you don’t like it, and don’t come on here anymore and spoil everyone else’ fun, go and play something else.

    1. Amac500

      I mean the sounds weren’t perfect or anything, and making them as accurate as possible is a good thing, but the games are way worse than GT in that department and as good as the rest of the game is I agree that they got too much heat for it.

    2. sayba2th

      This has been my sentiments for some time, some of the so called constrictive criticism is out out destructive (which shows that a lot of people have no idea about what the words they have used actually mean). Yes there are areas that PD need to make improvements on and this goes without saying but for the most part they have delivered excellent gaming experiences and I for one have enjoyed the ride the last 15 years have provided.

      After playing Rad Racer on the NES back in the day (and it was rad back then) which only gave you 2 or 3 cars to choose from was blockier than the offensive and defensive lines combined of an NFL team, engine noises sounded like phasers on repeat from a Star Trek Next Gen ep and classic 8bit music to having GT5 puts it all into perspective.

      Anyway I am greatly looking forward GT6 and will be a day 1 purchaser and TBH could give a rats ass if you are hating on it and one of the non purchasers dismissing / slamming a game before it is even completed.

    3. Pit Crew

      *This is not just with engine sounds either, its anything people can find to nitpick about, any news that’s positive to the slightest people find faults with it*

      True, and it’s always the same people. I for 1 am learning it’s best to try and ignore them. Arguing with juvenile thinking people is pointless.

    4. Dooky

      False criticism? Haha, you have to be joking. The engine sounds on 90% of the cars is truely woeful. I have a good sound system and it still sound crap. I own a WRX STI ’07 & I can tell you for a fact that the WRX’s in GT5 sound absolutely nothing like the real thing. Even with a sports exhaust GT5 still manages to make it sound like a vacuum cleaner.

    5. Droogie

      Hey Dooky, just to let you know not all WRX STI ’07’s sound the sound the same. In Japan, it’s like the 2.0 L EJ20 H4 engine. You probably have a 2.5 L EJ25 H4 engine on your Subaru and trust me they sound different in real life.

  39. Andyc709292

    I never really worried too much about the sound – it’s all about the driving right. That was until I got Ferrari Racing Legends, which whilst insanely hard does have a comparable F40, and it sounds amazing. Won’t stop me buying GT6 of course, but better sounds would be most welcome.

  40. montecarlo87

    Give silly rabbits a reason to whine, gripe and cry and they will. My only issue with the game has been the astronomical amount of Japanese cars vs the rest of the world. A Subaru 360 instead of a Chevy Cobalt SS? A Premium Prius and a Standard Veyron? A Dihatsu Midget over a MG Midget?

    Personally if they want to fix the sounds later to release GT6 this year and GT7 two years later so be it. I bought Forza last year hoping that maybe it was better. And except for slightly better engine sounds and the correct mix of cars it was lousy. Only slightly better engine sounds because a Dodge V8 sounds just like a Ford or Chevy V8. Driveability of the cars, severe lack of menu compared to GT, functionality of the controls and no true music options made me want to keep playing GT5. And I will do the same for GT6/7 because the game can only get better meaning Forza may never truely beat Grand Tursimo.

    1. another_jakhole

      Hmm. He based the future development of FM games on one game just like so many people base future GT’s to one game. It’s fair.

    2. another_jakhole

      And custom tracks, plus rally driving and snow driving. So, physics for driving in the wet (Greenawalt has said the difficulty of doing that is the reason it wasn’t in previous FM’s and FM5), physics for gravel or dirt (Forza Horizon has arcadey physics so it can’t translate well enough), and night tracks or time change was too difficult. Before anyone knew anything about FM5, a lot of people were saying, “They can just transfer what’s in Horizon (dirt/gravel and time change) to Forza Motorsport.”

    3. MuoNiuLa

      Actually, Horizon has fairly realistic physics. The reason why it’s probably getting this arcade label is because the tire model is too grippy. Horizon’s physics model is a just modified version of FM4’s physics, so it can be accessible to more people.

    4. another_jakhole

      “Horizon’s physics model is a just modified version of FM4′s physics, so it can be accessible to more people.”

      You said it, mang.

    5. another_jakhole

      Reading back to what you said about Forza in other comments, I’m not at all saying FM has arcadey physics. And when I say that Horizon has arcadey physics, I’m not saying that it’s an arcade game. Hope that clears something up a bit.

    1. sayba2th

      Amen, THIS is what sets GT apart from every other driving / racing game on a console. GT trumps all (I own FM4 as well) The engine sounds at the end of the day is not what I play the game for and TBH is not the be all and end all. So far from what I have tasted with GT6 and the new physics engine I am looking forward to this game more than any game ever in the past. Please note before you get your panties all bunched and knotted that this is in MY opinion and not fact.

  41. pepeferrari

    I don´t care if they are added later. What I feel confident about is when PD decides to make something they make it great. They told gt5 was going to be photo realistic and it was, so if Kaz says sounds are greatly improved I believe him, he´s very perfectionist. :)

  42. MadmuppGT

    I’m hoping theres something big announced at TGS… because each and every day its less or nothing. I may wait to buy GT6 after it drops in price and its gotten a few updates and DLC under its belt.

    Unless of course like I say something truly mind blowing happens at TGS.

    As for my own feeling on if we should be worried that GT6 will just be a slightly updated version of GT5 (as people are calling it GT5.5) I would put the worried level at DEFCON 3… one away from all out war

    1. MeanElf

      I wouldn’t believe others’ comments if I were you, as they have had absolutely zero chance to actually play the game that will be out in December – ergo: pure speculation.

  43. MLRSparco

    Well you just loss a first day buyer with that smh,the one thing I was counting on to make this game better and it has to be in a update later down the line,and mind you the update might not even be what we want it could be just as bad,I highly doubt every car will sound the way it should.

    1. MeanElf

      This should hardly be news, as it was mentioned that maybe sound would be improved by launch, or maybe not and this was said quite a while ago – Jordan even links to the news article above…

      Too many apparent fans it seems do not keep up with the news on this game.

    2. QuikSlvr223

      These exact same criticisms could have applied to the day one version of the game, and you were still going to buy it apparently. If you’d look at what the game has , like a brand new extremely realistic physics engine, and about 1150 more cars than most of it’s competitors, you’d see what an annoying stuck-up troll you are.

    3. MLRSparco

      So many fanboys out there,you call me a troll because I know what real cars sound like and you don’t? lmfao wow no one in there right mind can say that every car in this game sounds just like how it does in real life,the supercars maybe,but the bmw’s,mazda’s,nissan’s,subaru’s and many more do not sound real.

      The reason I didn’t know about this before is because I don’t live for GT6 news like you guys do, I have better things to do then lurk on here till new news comes out.And as far as “NEW REALISTIC PHYSICS” is concerned it’s nice but I could care less,if I wanted real physics I’ll go to PC,the physics in GT5 was plenty for me.And for the 1,150 cars they will have is nothing cool,most cars will be versions of the same car and most will be standard so nothing really incredible there, Forza 4 had better cars than GT5 and they had half the number of cars we had.

      I hate the fact that there are so many fanboys out there that think that GT6 is somehow gold and anybody that says anything bad about it has to be a troll or a lil kid or an idiot.I work as a mechanic and I’ve reduced weight in peoples cars,I’ve installed exhaust systems,I know first hand what cars sound like when you do those things to them.

    4. Droogie

      I’m not gonna be a first day buyer for GT6… because I got a life and I don’t have time to wait in line for this game.

    5. sayba2th

      You kind of tripped up here by saying that could care less about the physics. Why play GT then there are tons of better games at doing the arcade thing, this is what sets GT apart from any other console driving / racing game. If that’s not what you play this for then of course you will be disappointed. Look I am not a fanboy, I know GT is not perfect (and have FM4 which I love but is a different game) and needs improvement in certain areas but for the most part its a great game and compared to others in this genre is not just gold but platinum.

      Can we just let the game come out and play it first before tearing shreds off of it. It will be better than 5 which was better than 4 and so on, maybe there were elements where the older versions were better but overall there has been an improvement each time with the evolution of GT

    6. JTB10000

      Amen to sayba. If you somehow have all of the information about GT6, go ahead, bash away. But, if you don’t (which is 100% certain), stop this bullcrap and wait until more information is released…please, reading all of this hate is depressing.

    7. sayba2th

      hahahaha PC just burst out laughing in the office I work at after reading that – MasterCard humour brah!!!!

      Word JTB if I wanna get brought down I check the news or read the hate that flows freely across this site from some of the twatwaffles that post here.

    8. MLRSparco

      @sayba2th Actually I said I could care less about the “NEW REALISTIC PHYSICS”,I never said I don’t care about general physic ,I play this game for it’s online because lets be honest the single player is terrible with its crappy A.I,you can reach 1st place before the first lap is finished.The only thing GT offers is graphics,online,and physics,but sound plays a very important roll in the immersion of any racing game.Why do you think NFS Most Wanted and NFS in general always gets comments on how amazing the cars sound,now yes those sounds were probably enhanced,but they were enhanced from there original sound.I’m sure if they wanted use to shutup and wait for the game to come out they would’ve disabled the comment section.

      @JTB10000 We just got confirmation that sounds will not be a day 1 thing,when Kaz says it might not make it thats confirmation to me and I’m sure a lot of people that it won’t be a day 1 thing, so I’m pretty sure I have every right to bash away in the comments if I please, thats what the comment section is for to voice your opinion,you choose to read it thats on you,you should’ve expected to see these types of comments in here seeing as this is bad news.

      @Pit Crew O nooo you encountered a mechanic in the comment section,do you really think the GT community is made up of 10 year olds?I’m sure there is a good percentage of GT’s community thats made up of mechanics,car lovers,and amateur race car drivers.

    9. MeanElf

      “The reason I didn’t know about this before is because I don’t live for GT6 news like you guys do, I have better things to do then lurk on here till new news comes out”

      All the info was in the article above – not my fault that you chose not to keep up with the news bro – your call. But if you want to play a new game and don’t research it, then you can’t really complain if it doesn’t match your expectations, especially if those expectations are based on old news.

    1. another_jakhole

      Oh yeah, but only now did we get confirmation that they can and likely will add time change to some tracks down the line.

    1. sayba2th

      Backfire much, before you go trying to be the next Chris Rock maybe you might want to work on spelling your material correctly then you may wist to work on being amusing. Double fail……(sniff sniff)……..Hey Slider………You stink

    2. sayba2th

      Seriously Magic Ayrton you need to shut the &^%* up! NONE of those so called words you have typed make any sense. You ARE pounding stale material that was NOT even funny to begin with. You’re more played out than plastic on a 70’s couch and Jehri curls. In fact you should be banned from this site for having an IQ that makes an amoeba look like a Rhodes scholar.

    3. sayba2th

      Apologies AJ, but this is getting kinda long in the 2th if you know what I am saying and people who perpetuate others dumbassery need to be put in check.

    4. another_jakhole

      Been there and dun did dat. I’ve also taken it too far (not toooo far, but according to the rules :\) and wasted time on people who end up getting banned a few weeks or months down the line. Just, Magic Ayrton is one of very few who shouldn’t be posting his thoughts (the way that he goes about it) for obvious reasons and his past comments. Don’t waste time on it all.

    5. another_jakhole

      By very few, I really do mean not many at all deserve the check that he begs for with every thought HE craps out into a place he doesn’t respect. It’s trolling. I said it. :\ :| :) :D :?

    6. sayba2th

      Fa Sho AJ, I hear you brah, it is Trolling and there is wisdom in the words you speak. It’s a rue at times to be so passionate about certain things as it draws that beast out that’s kept deep within

  44. Rafael F

    Good news, we are getting good sounds on GT6, not on day one but it is almost confirmed on future updates. Kaz would not say such thing if he was not sure about it.
    Thank you PD!
    I just don’t understand so much negativism with the news. Even with bad sounds GT was the better racing / driving / sim. game available on ps3, and now we know about new sounds making it into GT6 and people still complain.

    1. another_jakhole

      Why update when we could just spend more than 400 dollars plus a new game and wait another year for a REAL sequel to GT5?

      ;)

    2. Rafael F

      Too bad where I live PS4 is probably going to cost around 1200 converting it to dollars.
      PS3 is costing $440 right now.

    3. another_jakhole

      Exactly what I mean. There are a lot of people wondering why they didn’t just make the next GT for the PS4. It’s going to save a lot of us the money it will take to buy GT6 and a new console PLUS buying PS+ to play online. So that would be over 520 USD without tax for me. That is really not worth it and I’m without a doubt going to be playing GT6 the day it releases, because I won’t have to buy a new console.

    4. another_jakhole

      UPDATES are b-e-a-utiful the way PD has done it. It could have been better, but everything can be better if you know what I mean.

    5. Rafael F

      Same to me, I’m really glad about GT6 being for ps3, unfortunately i won’t have money to buy a ps4 soon.
      I’m sure GT7 will arrive and I still will be enjoying and having fun with GT6.

  45. hmlopes

    What I really want is real engine sounds… In GT5 the 787B sounds great, aswell sounds Hondas ITR or CTR… But a 908 HDI sounds like a very low revs Viper, very far from the real engine sound that we can check on Youtube Videos of Le Mans….

  46. BadFlounder

    This will be the first GT I don’t buy. Part of that has to do with PS4 and my attention going there, but it’s also PD totally dropping the ball yet again. I’m a fan of the GT series, but it’s frankly embarrassing how far behind Forza they have fallen. Yeah…certain aspects of GT are still fantastic but, to me at least, the overall package is just so stuck in the past. It’s really too bad.

    1. another_jakhole

      I’m baffled by these views. Not to say that you’re wrong, but I don’t see how PD can be stuck in the past, or whatever anyone wants to think, with the sounds being the main reason people end up using to not get GT6. Then, it’s the AI. Then, it’s the career mode.

      I think the AI and career mode are good enough reasons for not wanting GT5 or GT6, yet I still don’t see why someone could say the same for GT6. We still don’t know what the career mode will be like and we still don’t know what the AI will end up being like. The GT Academy demo’s AI was clearly meant to be a walk in the park in difficulty. Even then, I can’t see how this news is the defining moment to say, “I tap out, and I’m going to get FM5, instead.” Or pCARS, which sounds toooo much like SHIFT and for obvious reasons.

    2. another_jakhole

      Oh and that’s not to say pCARS sounds are bad, or aren’t any better than GT’s. It’s only to say that pCARS and FM take the “Hollywood” approach of sound production.

  47. RacingFreak2k3

    I understand people’s gripe with the possibility of the new sounds not being included at launch. However, think of it this way. You go back to PS1, maybe even PS2 days, and this console gaming updating to my knowledge wasn’t really a possibility. At least, once it’s released, it can STILL be fixed.

    For me, just to hear that they still plan on fixing and releasing a new sound engine is great news in my eyes, and if they’re working that hard on it, hopefully we’re not disappointed. This is the one thing I’ve been wanting the most to be improved for awhile, and I’ll be a kid on Christmas once it does. Nothing is in stone until it’s actually implemented, but at least they’re addressing the issue and talking about it at this point.

    Carry on.

  48. JackC8

    With all the monthly DLC’s they’re talking about and engine sounds that won’t even make it into the game at launch, it’s starting to sound like waiting a year and getting the XL or Academy or whatever edition they come out with would be a much better deal.

    1. MeanElf

      Good luck with the wait. I on the other hand will be playing GT6 from the first day and when the update comes, I will have the same game you waited all that time for.

      But it’s your choice.

    1. Maddens Raiders

      *revs up the 787B and 908hdiFAP* wtf are you talking about? Better yet, what sound capture techniques are you working on today for your racing simulation game? Pardon the pun, but you’re just another jack hole.

    2. another_jakhole

      You shouldn’t read into it or take it to heart. Maddens Raiders was just on an irritation rampage. BUT the vacuum cleaner jokes are OOOOLLLD.

  49. HuskyGT

    I like it when a developer is this honest. They could hold silence and never deal with the problem. Reading this takes a huge weight off of my back. Sounds are a big deal for me, as it is for some others, so I hope everything goes okay. Can’t wait for the game!!

    A big :tup: for you PD!

  50. 2012GT325

    Thank you, PD/Kaz San, for listening to fans and making changes. I enjoyed the new graphics and physics in the demo and am very much looking forward to the release of the game. With all new cars, tracks, better graphics, improved physics and better sound (even if it’s coming later), GT6 will likely be the greatest in the series so far. GT6 and GTA V in the same year — this is going to be so much fun!

  51. Kratos_Q8

    this game fanboyz is the worst i’ve seen dont get me wrong im a BIG fan of this game since GT1 , but from GT5 they started to fail badly what a rushed product no hard to spot that just look at the career mode content they made it last 3 hours before release

    about sounds and fanboyz this is the fanboyz comment of the year for me :

    if you looking for an awesome and improved cars sounds in GT5 you should play it with a surround sound system..!! HAHAHA

    1. Maddens Raiders

      Stop playing video games and posting on forums and go back to school and learn to read and write properly. Your idiotic rant of a post made my head ache.

    2. another_jakhole

      “but from GT5 they started to fail badly what a rushed product no hard to spot that just look at the career mode content they made it last 3 hours before release”

      haha haaaaa

    3. Maddens Raiders

      @ Kratos_Q8 – “this much i care about my english : %0.000032”

      I think you accidentally posted your IQ here. Run along now it’s almost time for your bath and then bedtime. 8)

  52. tpark103

    Who’s going to stop GT from being the reigning king? No one is going to stop them that’s who! So all the haters and bashers please give it your best shot. No matter what you have to say you cannot stop the core GT fan from making the purchase. You probably want even sway the on the fence buyer to change their mind. Until Sony has another pure simulator GT is it and though its far from perfect, it’s pretty good. We can pick at ever games imperfections if we wanted to. The proof is in the numbers and the fans love this game.

  53. ONEEYEMONSTaR

    Big GT fanatic from the beginning and am really excited for GT6, but this is no surprise :-( Since GT4’s long wait to Prologue and eventually GT5, it’s same ole same ole. Hey, but look on the bright side, GT6 is going to be on a proven console and not the next gen super console sooner rather than later.

  54. Steph290

    Well this didn’t come as much of a surprise, however I’m pleased he at least gave us fair notice in advance. Personally I don’t see Kaz and the PD team as being incompetent in the exhaust sound department, but rather perfectionist to the degree that they refuse to release a new sound engine till they complete the one they are developing. Yes it is rather annoying, but then I understand that it’s just how the game is translating the sounds they recorded (all sounding very drone). Once they develop the new sound engine it should only be a matter of applying it to all the sound data they recorded over the years, which I know they have(the amount of time they spend to go and observe the cars). So optimistically I’m looking at a few months after release for this update. I can wait. What’s a few more months, lol.

    1. Kratos_Q8

      @racingRAW :

      infamous 1
      infamous 2
      uncharted 1
      uncharted 2
      uncharted 3
      the last of us
      red dead redemption
      heavy rain
      god of war 3
      call of duty 4
      just to name a few for ya fanboy

    2. Maddens Raiders

      Kratos_Q8
      @
      infamous 1
      infamous 2
      uncharted 1
      uncharted 2
      uncharted 3
      the last of us
      red dead redemption
      heavy rain
      god of war 3
      call of duty 4
      just to name a few for ya fanboy
      ==========================================================

      Every one of those games you mentioned received either an update via patch at launch, or during it’s lifetime to either the SP or MP portion of the game. lol I can’t believe you mentioned trash COD in there too haha. Dare to try again… FANBOY?

    3. Kratos_Q8

      @Maddens Raiders non of those was patched day 1

      and yes i dare put cod 4 that game when it came set a standard for shooters in the market back in 2007 and it was a complete game

    4. HuskyGT

      I’m sorry to break in…

      COD, “set a standard for shooting games” ? Allow me to laugh for a minute or two… HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      I can tell you the name of some shooters that destroy COD in every single aspect. Some of them are even from the cartridge game generation.

      The only COD that was somewhat worth it was World at War. The rest are just recycled crap made to appeal the soulless masses.

    5. TokoTurismo

      Reporter: So Toko. What is your response on Kratos saying *chuckles* saying that “COD” has “set a standard for shooters?

      Me: I *chuckles* I think *chuckles again* HAHAHAHAHAHA!! I, I can’t do it HAHAHA. It’s, it’s too laughable *both falls off their chairs* HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!! X’D

      Oh btw MoLiEG. Stop being butthurt. :)

  55. NOSWaster

    I’m pretty sure I can understand why the sounds won’t be done at release. Kaz is basically trying to have them release a new sound engine as well as better sounds. He’s trying to make the cars sound better by completely changing the way they’re processed in game. It’s pretty darn bold, especially since it seems like he wants to make distortions “random”. No, this is not fact, but it’s my interpretation of what he is trying to say.

    I say it’s a good call because I would rather have engine sounds and distortions separate from one another instead of the same exact distortions looped over and over because of them being integrated into the engine sound samples.

    1. Kratos_Q8

      what is Kaz been doing since 2010 ? since back then ppl were asking for new sound engine does it take 3 years to do that ?

    2. another_jakhole

      “what is Kaz been doing since 2010 ?”

      Kaz has said they’ve been working on it since GT5’s development. PPL want a lot of things. PPL can’t get them all.

  56. ralph89

    Oh well.. I would still have tons of game time with GT6, but they need to get this sound issue straighten out. As much as I love the GT series, the sound is really frustrating when you think how inaccurate it is..

  57. tje23

    I’m not really that bothered by sounds if the rest of the game is good. But come on, there’s a point where you have to start to question whether not having something so basic as better engine sounds ready for launch is acceptable…

  58. dethringr

    I can live without improve sound, but I totally welcome improve lighting. Night driving on GT5 is horrible. I avoid it whenever possible.

    1. TokoTurismo

      Agreed. In GT5 it was waaaaay to dark, I disliked that very much. What I hope for, at night time it’s more blue somewhat. :)

    2. MeanElf

      :) gotcha! I actually don’t mind the racing in the dark – hey, it’s a helluva lot better than that 24hr Spa in Grid – I could never see where I was going on that track at night.

  59. Lambob

    I’ll take the game as is, than to have to hear of a dismal delay to GT6. Dec 6th can’t come soon enough.

    Question about all the cars to be included in GT6,
    are they going to be all new cars? or just 1,000+ cars copied from GT5, being the same year, etc?

    I think the lack of proper sounds, has much to do with all available resources allocated on the PS3 to have to tackle the excellent game and physics engine this game has to offer.

    Let’s enjoy GT5.5 and wait for GT7 on the next gen that should surely deliver.

  60. Vagabond

    Oh come on! I’ve been a die hard fan of GT since its first incarnation and the ONE thing that almost every fan of the series is forced to admit is that the engine sounds are painfully, woefully inadequate. Why oh why after all this time and all this wailing are we forced to accept that the biggest and best yet of our beloved GT is still going to be a laughing stock because they can’t make a recording of a car engine sound like it actually sounds. I could record my own car right now and make it sound better. The damn user-made engine sounds form mods in rFactor sound better. Its ridiculous… “We listen to the fans…” The only damned thing we want is better sounds, how did you miss that?

    1. TeamCZRRacing

      Once again, I’m in awe of the amount of complaining here. People are whining about the fact that the new engine sounds won’t be included in GT6 when it ships, but by the same token they wouldn’t hesitate to whine if PD decided to push GT6 back to try and work the new sounds into the base game.

      GT6 drops in just over two months, and it’s going to be epic. STOP NITPICKING.

    2. ExplodeTheApex

      @Vagabond are you blind mate? They are listening to the fans, which you would have seen multiple other examples of if you followed news on GT properly, and THEY ARE MAKING NEW SOUNDS! You said you only want better sounds, and that is exactly what they are doing?! I don’t get it to be honest…

    3. Vagabond

      I don’t get why anyone feels the need to defend Polyphony over this. You know what I don’t get…? Waiting 16 years for the best console driving game on the market to get right what any other piss-poor excuse for a driving game seems to find easy. It isn’t whining, its exasperation. YES THEY’RE MAKING NEW SOUNDS, I can read. So why didn’t they do it when it first became an issue? That was a mighty long time ago by my reckoning. I’m a GT fan, I always will be… I have GT6 on pre-order, just like GT5 and every other GT before it. I’m not threatening not to buy it, I’m not demanding ridiculous features that matter little, I’m just tired of waiting for something that’s been wrong since the dawn of time to be fixed. Kaz acknowledges the problem after 15 years of fan complaints but we still have to wait another 2 years until we may (or may not – the quote reads [When pressed on updating the sounds via update, Yamauchi responded that “There’s a good possibility that we might do this.”] get an update? I find that… ‘disappointing’.

    4. ExplodeTheApex

      Yes but the getting the sounds right is a huge task to get right. Kaz wants to get them exactly right, and obviously that went horribly wrong. But they had other things to concentrate on for new GTs. They have probably been working on new sounds at least since GT5 came out, it doesn’t just happen overnight. And they probably didn’t do it before then because it takes up a lot of the workload for a relatively small company, and people would probably complain even more because if they concentrated purely on the sounds, because there would be less new cars, tracks and general features. I imagine they would have liked to get the new sounds in for GT5 initially, but they obviously cocked up a bit with that, so they were delayed now. Also, being exasperated won’t help anything. The fact is PD are probably working there ‘cheeks off recording the sounds right now, and that is as much as you can ask for. Think of it as a bonus to what already looks like a stunning game!

    1. Maddens Raiders

      @thekillzonegame – “I thought that Japanese were serious people, and they do the things right way, but, reading this ….”

      Guess who designed and built the PlayStation you play Killzone on? Guess who designed the game that has sold the most titles across all PlayStation platforms than any other?

      “I thought that Japanese were serious people” — Spoken like a true racist dumbass.

  61. Catlin

    and I am done with the GT series, I have bought every single game on release and I wont be this time.

    They should just release a complete game next time.

    1. Oyashiro-sama

      Catlin, I know how you feel. It just sounds to me like another BIG FAT LIE, just how we were told we would see standard cars going premium in a GT5 free update. It never happened, and guess what, GT6 still won’t have 100% premium cars.

      At least I hope that GT6 will allow us to have more cars for shuffle and that we can have one maker races with any car we like, or else, I might not buy GT6 as well.

  62. phil_75

    What did i tell you!

    So, already an unfinished game before its released.

    I have zero confidence in PD getting all cars changed in the next 3 years.

    No wonder Sony wanted a different driving game for PS4,Evolution have nailed the sounds on DriveClub.
    Sony certainly didn’t want the Lawnmowers going up against Forza 5.
    Looks like Sony have zero confidence in them too!

    Massive dissapointment AGAIN, but i’m not one bit surprised!

    1. MeanElf

      All you keep telling us phil is that you don’t actually know what you are talking about…

      I normally stop reading after the first fatuous comment, but this time you have excelled yourself in the assumption department.

    2. phil_75

      I couldn’t give two tosses what all you sickeningly idiotic and clearly deaf Kaz lovers say.

      To keep defending PD over their ridiculous decisions and total lack of forward thinking is just laughable.

    3. MeanElf

      And yet the choice to buy is all ours, as is your choice not to…so why don’t you do that? Why the constant need to waste your time by hanging around here to belittle something you clearly don’t belive in?

  63. HKS racer

    Even with an incomplete product they still sell a lot and the forum is full of people defending all their delays.
    So, they have no problems releasing incomplete stuff at all.

  64. infamousphil

    CONFIRMED… GT6 will not be released as a “finished” game. Sad to say that PD has never released a finished Gran Turismo. Well, at least we have dlc and updates to mature the game.

    As much as I love the game, it still pisses me off that PD and Kaz let folks at Sony and the public rush them into releasing stuff that isn’t ready. “BLACK EYE CIRCLE STAMPS” for all Kaz images and PD stand for “PREMATURE DEVELOPERS” ;(

    ARRRGH!

    1. Maddens Raiders

      “CONFIRMED… GT6 will not be released as a “finished” game.” — what does this even mean? Why would you want a “finished racing game” that never evolved in the first place. GT is like a tuner car that you can always upgrade and that’s always evolving. It’s not that old ’57 Chevy in the garage that’s fully restored and is perfectly fine looking and sounding the same way year after year after year. That’s actually a bit boring if you ask me.

    2. Maddens Raiders

      ^ lol this guy again. Couldn’t program his microwave and complains about one of the most prolific devs on the face of the planet. Douchebaggery at its very finest.

  65. Jayson619

    “Kazunori also confirmed to EuroGamer that game save data from GT5 would not transfer over to GT6, citing that GT5‘s data has already been “cracked” and could lead to further compromises in GT6.”

    Damn hackers! Now I can’t bring over my X2010 Prototype.

  66. Jaywalker

    Being a bit of a sceptic, I don’t hear what I want to hear. What I get from what he says is that there will be very little change in the (poor) sounds initially. The change will come in an update after they’ve sorted things out.

    And I’ll be happy to be wrong.

    1. KiroKai

      Actually he says the (undefined, but suuurely ground breaking) changes might come in an update if they sort things out.

  67. KiroKai

    Does he mean engine sounds or the sound engine?
    Many race cars and even brand new production cars like the Aventador, Huayra etc have completely wrong/reused sound samples in GT5 and in the GT6 demos we’ve seen so far, those need to be reworked. The sound engine, as in how sounds are produced and where the sound sources come from in and around the car/player, is pretty realistic in GT5 I think. It could be improved too as it’s certainly less ‘average TV speaker friendly’ than Forza’s way of roaring in every single car, but the sound engine of GT5 isn’t the main problem of its sounds in my opinion.

    1. KiroKai

      Yeah, but the way he talks it sounds strongly like he talks about the overall sound engine rather than singular sound samples that need to be fixed/replaced/recorded.

      I mean, take the Gallardo V10 sound as an example, it’s all neat and tidy until you find out they copy and pasted that sound onto the Murciélago V12 LP640, V12 LP670-4 SV, Aventador LP700-4 and now it’s even a ‘placeholder’ on the Huayra in the GT6 demos! I mean… what the hell? That’s pure laziness that can’t be corrected if they improve the sound engine.

    1. BlindZenDriver

      Certainly not.

      I am hoping for reflective surfaces to be reflective, Low and high beams of others to be visible in multplayer (so you can flash at the one you want to stress/pass)…

  68. japlkofk69

    Wait wait wait…..no file transfer because GT5 has already been cracked?
    Please tell me that this is not what I think it is, could someone explain this? lol

    1. Gogga

      Your GT5 game save will not be compatible with GT6. So you will have to start your garage from scratch. Makes sense because what would be the point of playing the new GT6 if you have a full garage minus the new inclusions!

    2. GTP_Versatile

      I’m assuming he’s referring to all the hacking/tampering with the cars in GT5 (Stage 4 Turbo parts, racing super soft tires, default spoiler/bumper removal etc.)

      I think he made the right choice with this decision.

  69. cyberfella

    The sounds aren’t that bad. The problem is the sounds in (what i call) bumper/dials view. If you switch to the (what i call) bonnet view, the sounds are MUCH better (on premiums at least). The trouble is, I can’t play it without dials, so I, like everyone else, plays it in that view mode.

    All Kaz has to do is use the same sounds in bumper view mode that are used in bonnet view mode and voila, thats GT5 fixed.

    For GT6, just add tranny whine and brake squeal to race cars / stage 3 modified / adjustable transmission cars too, and a choice of blow off valves on mid and large turbos settings to keep the boy racers and drifters happy please.

    thats it.

  70. reaperman

    I recently picked up one of those simulated 5.1 headsets to improve my online gaming. Oh it works great on most games. But don’t bother on gt5 (or gt6, I suppose). It doesn’t seem to give a thing over a stereo gaming headset. If gt5 even has 5.1 audio, they did a terrible job with it. There are even some replay cameras where I suspect the channels are reversed.

    1. ZoidFile

      The word “perfect” that Katzunori used is a rather rough translation. He actually means that the engine sounds to “clean” and “regular” or “artificial”. Its hard to make a digital interpretation of an analog machine. If one has ever driven an 2 stroke car, one would now how “random” an engine actually sounds.

    2. eran0004

      Because “real” is not the same as “good”. “Too real” is actually a negative thing. Even “too good” would be something bad…

    3. karelpipa

      Some games showed that they are more than capable to somehow do very good (too good?) sound of cars.

      Yes, they should focus to “model” the sounds on PC to sound good (i.e. big block V8 with the characteristic idle burble sound), than record them on dyno. Listen to them, then “model” them. I think it would work better.

  71. HarVee

    I believe what Kazunori means by this is not that you will see the realistic sounds you’ve been all wanting, but rather a change to the sounds, much like what happen to a few select cars in GT5.

    1. ScotteDawg

      V8 & V12 vacuums? Man, you must have some pretty juiced up home appliances! How about you go play with them instead of using the same old, worn out “jokes”!

    2. MeanElf

      It’s because he broke both his legs with the V8 vacuum cleaner and so can’t do anything by hang around on forums for the next six weeks…

  72. mickoafna

    I would really like to know if there’ll be a money gap? I don’t want it to be and if it’ll be, make it at least 999 million.

  73. Cervelostar

    When I read on this site that the cars no longer sound like vacuum cleaners, then I will buy it. Until then, I’m sticking with Forza4. Even though I HATE Microsoft.

    1. Droogie

      I don’t want to go on the XBAX three-sixty because there are no games other than Halo and the game that sounds like pizza.

    2. MuoNiuLa

      Not butthurt at all. People who say Forza is arcade while passing off GT as a sim really don’t know what they’re talking about.

  74. fortbo

    Well thats’s disappointing now isn’t it. I was really hoping for better sounds day one. I will still be getting the game but it just won’t be as enjoyable imo.

  75. Madertus

    As long as the game is released on time and as long as it’s more fun than GT5, I’m not complaining. I’m sure there will be some great noises to hear even without the update.

  76. fet_thunderdome

    i think customers should appreciate this kind of policy, not moneymaker one by EA. he’s not announcing wild DLCs at D1, but a free update (not dued) for car sounds. not a bad move in my opinion.

  77. Jawehawk

    Can’t say I’m to thrilled at this. I mean, it’s nice to know they’re working on it, but I’d really love to know how it is taking this long.

  78. TokoTurismo

    My thoughts excatly, and it does look like PD are doing their best on making new sounds. I knew all a long they will be adding the new sounds in later, via update.

  79. Cosbuster

    From “could be there for release” we went to “could be in an update”. Wouldn’t be surprised if the next update on the issue said “will definitely be there for GT7”.

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