PlayStation 4 Announcement: Live Stream & Discussion

February 20th, 2013 by Jordan

Live Stream Begins February 20 at 23:00 GMT

The PlayStation 4 is expected to be announced today during “PlayStation Meeting 2013″, a major press event Sony is hosting in New York City.

Watch the event live in the video player above, or check out alternate streams available from Sony, IGN, GameTrailers, or GameSpot if you have any trouble.

For more fun, you should join the discussion here in our community and – just in case – our Gran Turismo 6 forum.

Even if the PlayStation 4 announcement does not bring any Gran Turismo news, it still has major implications for all fans of the series, as we’ll finally learn more about the hardware which will power the next installment of our favorite franchise. Enjoy the show!

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  1. SubaruWRC555

    Haha drive club. Take that forza horizon!!!


    sorry, i got a glimpse of a car, got excited and thought GT6 :P

  3. MadmuppGT

    Remember when Microsoft said no one will see or be aware of the PS4 announcement… well tell that to the multiple crashed servers… I cant even get a solid stream on any website

  4. SZRT Ice


  5. SZRT Ice

    Beautiful, if that’s indeed in-game footage. Games must cost like $100 a pop for this thing. (assumption)

  6. This seems really impressive thus far, it’s up to game developers to make the most of the platform’s potential

    *cough* get to work Kaz *cough*

  7. TheeFrogmanlego


  8. MadmuppGT

    Stream games? cant even stream this video

  9. SZRT Ice

    This is all sounding monthly fee/annual subscription’ish. I’m getting a lil sceptical about the whole “free to play” thing. Here’s hoping.

  10. Snaeper

    Damnit, Yamauchi-sama is the last person we want to hear describing the PS4 as a “blank canvas”

  11. PS4 not PS3 compatible. But they will fix this through GAIKAI. PS3 games on all kind of devices.


    Imagine Le Mans 24 hours online with real driver swaps using the control swap option :D

  13. You can stream your games so all friends can look and comment while playing and help you if you want too.

  14. All games free to play, pay for the games you like…


    Gametrailers Stream is still working

  16. michrulejj

    off air still… This sucks

  17. Now, GAIKAI

  18. Leo0308

    ok enough of this stuff i won’t use, get to the cars!

  19. They will want to predict what games you like so it will download new games before you buy them

  20. Quakebass

    Stream here broke, now U-stream broke.

    • Quakebass

      Ok, now the English version is gone, and it’s transferred me to Japanese…

  21. loggers05

    Off air

  22. Connect tablets, vita and other mobile devices to PS4

  23. michrulejj

    Is anyone else go suddenly off air?

  24. off air

  25. Upload videos of your game as you play

  26. Instant gameplay when you buy game online, start playing and the rest of game downloads in the mean time

  27. INSTANT GAME STARTUPS, no more long startups

  28. MadmuppGT

    Switch to another language camera, seemed too many people are watching the English one… still doesnt forgive that I was here before them and got kicked off…

  29. I hope the ps4 is 800 dollars because I have it right now

    • No… let’s hope it’s cheaper so you’ll have people to play with.

    • Quakebass

      And will have extra cash to spend on games… Or other necessities…

  30. MadmuppGT

    Nope gone completely now… great stuff… I suppose they’ll try and tell us that our internet and servers can handle game streaming when they cant even handle video streaming…

    20mb broadband and it cant even do the simplest thing… USELESS

  31. Crispy9001

    Stupid buffering…

  32. GDDR5 memory!
    enchanced GPU!

    Live demos on Unreal 4 engine

  33. SZRT Ice

    Dual Camera PS Eye 720p depth perceptive.

  34. MadmuppGT

    If people could stop crashing the servers that would be great…

  35. Contrtoller looks great with touchpad and sharebutton + lightbar to identify players

    • SZRT Ice

      That light bar was presumably a PS move functionality built right into the controller. Oh well, one falsified rumor scratched.

  36. 8GB RAM in it!!!

  37. Go to Sonys stream page, link is above…

  38. OOOOOOH i feel they gonna show GT6 …hopes up!!!!

  39. SZRT Ice

    Official name: PS4

    • SZRT Ice

      I guess nearly 500 thousand people streaming simultaneously is causing problems.

      DS4: Dual Shock 4 is SEXY!!!

  40. Bobert power

    Mine is down too. :(

  41. MadmuppGT

    Missing half of this because of the shoddy streaming…

  42. jbishop60


  43. Go to Sony, have no sound here.

    But here we go, its called PS4 simple and nice! And now games…its gonna last couple of hours?

  44. Starciller


  45. Patronn422

    what happend ??? its off air??

  46. Quakebass

    It removed the 240p mode while I was watching! WHY?

  47. Piece of garbage feed cannot handle 360p without pausing for 5 seconds – every five seconds. total FAIL sony.

    • Check out the other feeds linked in the post above if you’re having problems.

  48. TeamCZRRacing

    Here it is!

  49. 0 min

  50. leexr2i


  51. look at the viewer counter LOL

  52. Omg almost time

  53. Time to see if my sleeping hours are waisted or hopefully they are better than me dreaming!

  54. TeamCZRRacing

    Eight minutes now…

  55. Halcyon925

    I guess that if GT6 is shown, that it will release around Christmas, or a few months after New Year. Maybe it’ll be a PS4 launch title if we’re lucky!

  56. loggers05

    Cant wait!

  57. Blood*Specter

    I mean curious…….LOL

  58. Blood*Specter

    20 Minutes and ticking…………………very qurious now. Also the supposed leaked picture of the controller a few days ago.

    • JeremiahTB

      That leaked controller looks like I’d break it within the first month. I hope it’s just a prototype and not the final product.

  59. StonnyMc

    30 mins…

    • in 30 mins … (Kaz addresses PD)

      ok team! we now finally know what the PS4 is, so we can finally commence coding for GT6! /marks 2015?? on the calendar. closes marker cap.

    • another_jakhole

      But PD has known about the region in which the PS4’s specs will be for some time now. It was not like that the first time around so that brings me to the conclusion that they’re not going to screw themselves over this time.

    • Quakebass

      Does no one here know what a dev kit is…?

  60. ChevyFan1912

    I’m assuming pre orders will start after E3…I will be preordering PS4 and GT6 immediately

  61. SZRT Ice

    Less than one hour left people. Where is everyone discussing this?

  62. pgagoober

    I vote for PS4 & GT6 before the end of this year. Oh and the PS4 will have support for 3x1080p triple screen gaming.

    I can dream, right? ;)

    • SZRT Ice

      3 PS3’s were capable of 4k resolution.

      “PS4″ said to be 4x as powerful as PS3.

      Sounds reasonable, if not unnecessary.

    • Quakebass

      3 “modified” PS3’s, and the PS4 is FAR more than 4x more powerful than the ‘3. More like 10x…

    • pgagoober

      Of course it’s necessary!!! lol

      I have a triple screen setup for iRacing and it is such a huge leap in immersion that I would love to see that capability without having to buy three PS4s :)

      That, plus the added processing power the PS4 will inevitably have could bring GT closer to a true sim than it has ever been. Don’t get me wrong – I think it is very impressive what PD have accomplished with the PS3 hardware limitations but the PS4 could really be a game-changer and potentially hurt PC game sales.

  63. juelz2009

    Its on as well
    Hopefully Sony Delivers Great stuff
    and a glimpse of GT6
    Hopefully it’s around an hour or so

  64. Nato_777

    This works out to be 12:00pm (21st) here in NZ so it’s just in time for my lunch break at work – sweeet! :)

  65. DSUjoeDirte9

    Anyone know if the sony meeting will be on TV?… for my own reasons i cannot watch the live on the internet.

    • i don’t know, I don’t think it’s being carried on UK TV anywhere….

    • DSUjoeDirte9

      grrr. I really want to see this meeting but theirs no way ill be able to see it live.

    • Quakebass

      There’ll certainly be YouTube videos after the fact, so if you can view those, you’ll probably be fine.

      You’ll have to wait a couple more hours, though.

    • DSUjoeDirte9

      Depends how long the coverage is. If its like an hour long than i can, but more than that i prolly wont.

    • Yeratel84

      You’ll be able to watch it later on the same site of the live coverage… Sony confirmed the video will be available to those who won’t be able to watch it live…

  66. ChevyFan1912

    WTF I haven’t gotten the $10 thing and I’ve bought every single DLC :-(

    • Quakebass

      This is PSN… Not GT vouchers…

      Unless you mean you’ve bought thousands of DLC’s from hundreds of games, I salute you. You should be getting more than $10…

  67. PD is still going to release GT6 on the PS3 in 2016, when the console is all but obsolete. EPIC FAIL.

    • JeremiahTB

      Did you just make that up? It sounds like you made that up. Unless GT6 comes out before the new PlayStation is released, there is no way it will be a PS3 game.

  68. pasigiri

    GT6 might just arrive quicker than we think. The PS4 is rumored to be a more conventional architecture. This should ease development for GT6. Only thing against this is the fact that it’s also rumored that GT6 will use a lot of stuff from GT5’s engine which is coded for the Cell architecture. How will that transfer to the PS4?

  69. Gturbo5

    COMING PS4 SHOW! and GT6 SHOW !!!

  70. I hope the announcement is that of Sony buying out Nintendo, so I can play SMB and Zelda games on my PS Vita. And if there is no mention of GT6 at this podium, under the spotlight, then I am turning off the internet, except to keep playing GT5 online.

    • GTO_VR4

      Sony buying out Nintendo? Are you on crack or something?

    • SZRT Ice

      The original Playstation was going to be a joint venture by Sony & Nintendo. Nintendo was in, however they did not want to go the DVD disc route due to emulation and went with the N64 instead. Had they gone through with it, we’d all be playing Wii Station 3’s today.

  71. kekke2000

    The new Sony Xboxstation 720!! This could look like a joke…

    • 2012GT325

      Trolling Much!!! Why are you on this site? Sony hasn’t even announced anything yet and you are already hating!

  72. All this talk about GT6 but don’t forget people, we still have GT6 prologue to go first


    • TheGTGuy

      You won’t necessarily get a Prologue version of GT6, as I recall there was no GT3 Prologue.

    • i hope you’re right, i never cared much for the prologue editions. Not enough tuning options imo

    • Quakebass

      Didn’t Kaz say he wasn’t planning on a GT6 prologue…? I can’t remember if it was stated or not…

    • i dunno, i can’t remember either

    • JeremiahTB

      If they delay GT6 at all, I would expect a Prologue for part 6. Not sure if they will, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

    • another_jakhole

      I has a good memory. Kaz said that if need be there will be a Prologue to GT6.

    • another_jakhole

      Also, he said that there’s a possibility that there’ll be a game popping up before GT6 comes out.

    • JeremiahTB

      Tourist Trophy would be dope on the new PlayStation…unless PD is going to blow our minds and come out with something completely outside the box of their normal genre.

    • @ another_jakhole – thanks bud, i honestly couldn’t remember lol ;)

    • another_jakhole

      I didn’t buy GT5’s prologue either.

  73. MarcusarilliuS

    Meh, it’ll only be around the spec of a current mid level pc, so in other words it’s out of date before it’s released.

    • ralph89

      Maybe so, but then, I have a newly built $2000 gaming desktop myself and all the sim racing I have installed can’t even match GT5’s graphics… The closes was Project C, but that has a terrible lighting, IMO.

    • JeremiahTB

      Good thing PlayStation and Xbox don’t directly compete with gaming rigs. If they did they would lose. $5000+ for a gaming rig and about $500 for a PlayStation. Simple math.

    • MarcusarilliuS

      Maybe so but GT5 is an more an arcade game than a true sim. I’d take iRacing, rFactor 2 or the upcoming Assetto Corsa any day over GT5’s diluted physics. I’d say Assetto Corsa will look very nice graphics wise.

      Yea different markets. They have to charge a few thousand per console to be able to pack it with enough tech to compete.
      $5000 for a gamin rig is a bit of an exaggeration, unless you are using phase change cooling , quad sli etc. which is a bit overkill :)

    • pgagoober

      ralph – if you cannot beat GT5’s graphics in iRacing you must be doing something wrong. It can and does look great with the right settings. Feel free to PM me if you like and I can help with your settings.

  74. Droogie

    If anyone attempts to illegally park into the show, ED-209 will take care of them. Seriously, I hate it when people don’t pay and get things they don’t deserve and we pay a lot of money for the things we do.

  75. marktyper

    Yes I am looking forward for GT6 in PS4 but honestly I am looking forward more for the NFS Underground series coming back into PS4. Something that will have the same wheel forcefeedback that we can use our wheels such as G25 or G27.

    • JeremiahTB

      I hope you are being funny with that NFS thing.

    • Praggia

      No you did not just mention NFS Underground on this forum !!!
      the nerve of some people LOL

    • Droogie

      The original need for speed is NOT COMING BACK! Cry in the corner but its true.

    • even i know not to mention that other title and i like to stir it up :p

    • kekke2000

      NFS Underground and Underground 2 was super awesome! But thats a thing of the past. Star Wars movies can be rereleased in a more modern fashion, NFSU games can’t.

    • SZRT Ice

      The PS2 NFS’s are cool tho’. Loosen up peeps, we’re discussing PS4 here, not jus’ GT6.

      I don’t see you guys flipping on Terronium-12 when he goes off topic in his Weekly rewinds about cell phones, Koenigseggs, Night Rider, and what not. So why flip on people here? Loosen up & chill out.

    • Quakebass

      Just going to point out – and I don’t want to discuss this too thoroughly – but NFS: MW was the sequel to U2, and Carbon was the sequel to MW. So there’s opportunity to do it, but considering Criterion and EA have botched the re-makes of the old games, I doubt anything good will come of the series. Unless they make an HD-remake, similar to the Halo series.

      Wait… I just brought up Halo…

    • ouch, mentioning halo in a playstation forum, that’s tricky lol (jk)

  76. Flagmo-T

    Maybe they would show us a little GT6 teaser of what to expect, like they did with the PS3 announcement in 2005, showing GT5, It was exiting to watch at that time, and we all spend lots of money on Race setups and hey, but sadly it was a scam/Joke from the beginning LOL, because it was never released as announced on that show, that being PS3 and GT5 :P

    Anyway – It’s exiting to see what’s going on, and what to expect in the nearest future..

  77. Nicky_loves_GT5

    FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP WITH THE “SOUND PROBLEMS” I DONT CARE IF MY CAR SOUNDS LIKE A LAWNMOWER I JUST ENYOI THE GAME ….if you really love something you dont stop and look at its bad sides. Been a fan of the series since GT1. never never complained about something. and all of you whiners seriously i wanna kill myself.

    • Renken95

      Complete true

    • Yeah, but, those sounds… are just awful, ya know? It’s like having a race between a food processor and a Dirt Devil.

    • SpeedyishOlly

      Seriously. The sounds really need to be fixed, we have the right to say that. It’s not like they gave us the game for free, without us they wouldn’t of made anything..

    • HuskyGT

      Sounds need a fix. Period. Just make the cars sound like the engine they are suppose to have and I’ll be happy. The sound effects themselves are already good enough and DON’T need to be louder a la NFS crap. I just don’t want my L6 M3 E46 sounding like it has a V8 or my Lambo Aventador sounding like a V10… just no. They have a bunch of sample already. They just need to rearrange them better. I don’t even care for repeated sound samples as long as V8 sounds like V8 and so on.

      It’s a simple request.

    • JeremiahTB

      Just because we love something doesn’t mean we need to ignore it’s faults. Looking at everything with rose colored glasses means you never want improvements.

    • the autozam az1 sounds like a turbocharged hair dryer lol

    • Quakebass

      ^ Well, that would actually be accurate, now, wouldn’t it…? XD

      Only joking…

  78. HuskyGT

    HAHA! I thought it was a joke, but I just got a PSN message from Sony gifting me $10 to add to my wallet. Nice move ;)

    • marktyper

      lol same!!! I got it today as well. At first I thought it’s a spam message but I saw that it was actually from PSN. So I retrieved it yay :D saying I’m a loyal customer (Which I think I am have spent a total of 90 bucks in psn cards) hehe

    • HuskyGT

      I think that’s the case. I don’t even want to know how much I’ve spent in the PSN in the past years XD

      Smart move on Sony maybe. They just want to give an incentive to potential PS4 buyers now that they will announce it.

  79. Not hyped like a fanatic, but I am very interested in what will happen…

  80. TokoTurismo

    CAN’T WAIT!!! :D

  81. lancashirelad

    I wonder if pd sample Hoover’s again for gt 6 or attempt to get beefy realistic engine sounds? That’s what stopped me playing gt5.

    • NeuroticVows

      No, they are using Dysons for 6

    • Magic Ayrton

      Well one thing is for sure, if the sound is not perfect on PS4 it never will be.. doubt if I will be investing all that wedge on the same old nonsense.

  82. sumbrownkid

    God I can cut the hype with a rusty butter knife!

    Why must I have an exam in 40 minutes!?

  83. kalakanto

    Got to admit, this is right now more exiting than launch of GT5. New console, maybe some news of new GT, can’t ask for more… MAKE IT RAIN KAZ, MAKE IT RAIN! (if he even is in NY lol)

  84. KilzoneStrife

    *PS4 I mean lol.

  85. KilzoneStrife

    Hey guys, did Kaz tweet he is in NYC? All the major devs landed in NYC yesterday..

    The internet will EXPLODE if we see a GT6 tech demo on PS3!!
    Lights dim..
    Kaz appears on stage…
    New DS4 in hand…..
    and Moon Over Castle starts to play :D !!!!!!

    Then hit the showreel.. and get the paramedics… lots of people are going to need to be revived if GT6 gets shown!
    Im also looking foward to Battlefield 4 being shown.

    • occasionalracer

      lol… Playstation 4 GT6 Bundle Announcement leads to Emergency Room overload.

      Cause: SONY
      Remedy: Unknown

  86. japlkofk69

    What will happen to gtaV? LOL

    • KilzoneStrife

      GTA V will look like dirt, graphically after the PS4 reveal lol

    • JeremiahTB

      Considering it comes out in September, I think it will die quickly if the PS4 is released for the 2013 Christmas season.

    • Quakebass

      Or… It could come out on both generations…? Or maybe the PS4 (and next-gen Xbox) will have a release date near that time…?

      I haven’t heard of a game being released before a piece of hardware that supports it is released, but I guess there can be a first time for anything…

    • Yea that’s a good question. Kind of weird to launch such a huge title right before a new console is released. Now would be a good time to release it, let the PS3 go out with a bang.

    • SZRT Ice

      It will do just fine because massive amounts of people in the world already own current gen systems and merely a fraction of those people will own next gen systems upon its initial release. Some will switch immideiately, whilst some are completely happy with current gen as of now and may not pick it up until well after or when a price drop/alternate/improved model is announced.

  87. $4,000 ea on ebay this coming Christmas.

  88. PS4 == PS3 + more RAM.

    • TomBrady

      Did you not see the specs? It’s a hell of a lot more than just more RAM. It’s about 10 times more powerful if not more, not just RAM lol

  89. ChevyFan1912

    Charge for online play = no purchase

    • ChevyFan1912

      If it’s no more then $5 a month then Ill consider, but it should be free.

    • My thoughts exactly.

    • ScotteDawg

      No “pay for play”! That’s Microsoft’s bag, not Sony’s!

    • BongRipz

      Theres a reason Xbox Live’s service is better then the PSN’s

    • TomBrady

      Who the hell says xbox’s service is better? Online servers are run by the game developers, not XBL or PS3, and for less money you can get PS Plus, and you get tons of free games every year, you pay more for XBL and they give you nothing so how is that better service?

    • MadmuppGT

      Christ I was wondering how long it would be until someone mentioned that nearly decade old line… the sad fact is PSN and XBL are really similar…

      Real question should be is XBL 60 times better? because that what it costs

    • Quakebass

      He’s talking about features, not connectivity.

      You get cross-game chatting with friends, voice messaging, and with the Kinect, I believe even video messaging. It’s sup easy to back up all of your data – you can recover an account from any 360 (save files included) just by typing in your name and password and security question. It only took my friend about 5 minutes to get his account and save files to play Borderlands 2 at a friend’s house. And DLC is ported to every profile on the console, but won’t be stolen if you do a profile transfer back to another system. So, yes, XBL services are quite a bit better than PSN.


    PS3 games playable on PS4?

    • Projectoutlaw

      They would make more money by selling them to you again via ps store so probably not.

    • Jantsu92

      It would require PS4 to include CELL processor and that would make PS4 more expensive so hopefully not.

    • ScotteDawg

      Rumour has it that PS, PS2 AND PS3 game will be able to be plated on the PS4!

      Like the original idea for the PS3, the PS4 is to be FULLY backwards compatible…

    • Pit Crew

      Through a Downloadable library, yes Backwards disc compatability, no.

    • Quakebass

      I could maybe see compatibility with (interestingly) PS1 and 2 disks, but not PS3 disks. The PS3 had complex hardware (cell-precessor, as stated), and might not function on the more conventional PC set-up this time around.

      It’d be weird, I admit.



  91. photonrider

    Looks like it is going to be heavily weighted in favour of Internet play/Social Media networking, and I guess that is going to be the wave of the future. I’m hoping it’s going to be backward compatible.

  92. KilzoneStrife

    Rumor: some social media features will require subscription BUT.. That is STILL a part of Playstation Plus. It will be rebranded and renamed. Gaikai may be included to sweeten the deal. If social networking, cross platform play (between PS4/Cellphone/tablet) is not your thing, if Gaikai, movie rentals arent for you, dont worry, Thats what the subscription based services are.

    Online gaming should still be free.

    • uMadson?

      yeah, free online gaming is why I think PSN is better than XBL

    • MadmuppGT

      It needs to be free… otherwise that will damage sales like a torpedo to the port side

  93. Tallgeese69

    Check your inbox guys SONY (US) gave me a $10 voucher today

    • forzaturismo

      How about EUROPE????
      ALWAYS LAST one to get good stuff!!!!

    • TheKitten

      Why Sony better then microsoft lawl.

  94. KilzoneStrife

    NEXT GEN :)
    Enjoy the unified GDRR5 ram Kaz :)

  95. I have a reminder set, because I just cannot wait. I’m so pumped to see what they unveil!!

  96. Why don’t we all wait until they announce it? All this rumour crap is tbh doing my head in. No one knows exactly what’s going to be in it apart from Sony execs. In 16 hours we can all deliberate till our Hearts content!

  97. off topic:
    look at your PSN mailbox maybe you got 10$ from sony(US)
    “Thank you for being a loyal customer and fan of PSN. As a token of appreciation, we’ve sent you $10…”

    • Quakebass

      Well… It’d be nice if my PS3 wasn’t dead…

    • Eh, I didn’t get nothing. But after all these times I’ve criticized their products, I can see why I’m not a “loyal customer”. lol

  98. MadmuppGT

    Ive heard the ps4 will operate on an Xbox style standard and premium subscription, with you ‘needing’ the premium service to access most of the online features…

    This is somewhat worrying news…

    • Chinese_Drifter

      I’m going to say this is very unlikely and most likely a rumor. If anything, the PS4 will reintegrate the PS+ but with potentially more features (this could mean new features we have not yet been exposed to). I would say that the PS4 will likely have a “free” multiplayer just like the PS3 but would unlikely require a “standard” subscription just for online.

    • MadmuppGT

      I’m hoping it is just a rumour or like you say be a new bigger version of PS+… would stink if you had to pay to play GT5 online…

      Fingers crossed eh?

    • Quakebass

      I’m hoping they run PSN just like it was on PS3, just with added similarities to XBL like cross-game chats and voice and video messaging. It would make things a lot simpler to do, and make it easier to stay in contact with your friends. The the PS+ features could (again) expand on what the PS3 had – better store deals, early access to new features in both games and PSN services, etc.

      Considering Sony lost money on the PS3 for years after it’s release and STILL had free online service, I have a feeling that the PS4’s PSN will be free as well. The PS4’s hardware will be much cheaper to manufacture, and the price is rumored to be VERY reasonable for a new piece of hardware. I’m hoping that this is true.

    • Scuderia Paul

      Sony has repeatedly said it will never charge to play games online.

      Any subscription to PlayStation World will be for PlayStation Plus style content and possibly different levels of access to it’s Gaikai streaming service. This last part is me speculatimy.

    • MadmuppGT

      I just read the rumours and had a very worried chill run down my spine, like both of you have mentioned I really hope the Premium subscription is just a revamped PS+, I think cross game chat is going to be a given… only question is will Sony consider this a premium feature?

    • TheKitten

      Son will always provide free services. Damn they`re systems are damn popular.

    • i didnt get anything because i live in the Uk .

  99. sangdude82

    I can’t wait for the announcement :D

  100. Tallgeese69


    • Agent75

      Paying to play GT6 would be a deal breaker for me. Hope it’s not true.

    • ScotteDawg

      No “pay for play”, that’s a Microsoft money grabbing tactic because they are newer to the ganing business than Sony and are greedy capitalist pigs!

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