Open ◆ SNAIL [Spec] Racing - Presented by ButtKicker: Feel What You've Been Missing

Discussion in 'SNAIL Racing League' started by zer05ive, Dec 13, 2011.

  1. dangerzone641

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    I have an idea for a fun night of racing. We use daihatsu midget cars and drive around short tracks for a few hours. There will always be close racing no matter where you are and there will be overtaking everywhere. It would be a great way to teach race craft and how to cleanly overtake people
     
  2. IceWarden

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    Just curious...did he dominate the previous week? If not, why? If yes, why wasn't this brought up then?
     
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  3. Daniel Pinho

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    Last time I was in Monaco I wasn't best guy on track, fact!
    So I work hard last 2 weeks. Guess were? Yeap. Monaco!
    Results: Pole/1st on race 1 with 10s gap and 3rd on race 2.
    I don't blame the point system since I've seeing similar times like mine during quail. I blame myself because I didn't work hard before.

    BTW, I did the same with 3 combos: Practice. After all I did 5 in 6.
     
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  4. Troggy

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    I'm more so making note of the dominance happening in Divisions 4-8. If someone dominates D5, is then moved up to D4 where they dominate again, then I think it highlights a massive flaw in the placement formula.
     
  5. JLBowler

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    I'm going to step in and end this discussion because it isn't going to end up anywhere good. The driver in question finished on the podium in all six races. His lap times were much faster than the rest of the division. He most likely will be moved mid season unless I watch the replays and see that everyone just crashed around him.

    As for qualifying times, don't put too much stock in them. Things happen in qualifying that don't happen in the race, you can tell when you see cones flying at Silverstone, and some guys are really good at running laps alone and not so good running laps with others on the track.
     
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    digressing in light of the above post.
     
  7. Troggy

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    This isn't just one driver though. Most of the prize winners for the past month have all been dominant in their divisions.

    I also don't see a point in curbing a civil discussion about league policies. We aren't threatening a strike, just bring to light some issues that I know other drivers have. Every week we get a "so and so doesn't beling in D-whatever"

    I think that means we should at least discuss it.
     
  8. CoachMK21

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    This was me last night in D8 at Silverstone. I was 3+ seconds faster in qualifying, then won race 1 by like 24 seconds. But in race 2, I struggled to get past other cars, spun trying to be too aggressive and got bumped and ended up 3rd. I know racing in traffic is what I need to work on, and this is true for others as well.
     
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  9. speer9892003

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    Had a great time last night. Unfortunatley during the last race I started lagging bad thengot booted . Great time though and thanks again!
     
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  10. IceWarden

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    This can happen easily if someone sandbags their initial driving test. Or, they just got better. Either way, they will get moved to a different division as necessary...over time. You can't accurately place everyone the first time...too many factors involved.

    But you also have to move people one division at a time. If you think someone needs to jump two divisions then they really sandbagged their initial driving test.

    Either way, relax, way too many factors involved here to get everyone exactly right on the first placement.
     
  11. JLBowler

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    I'll discuss. The only tools in existence for placing drivers in their division is past performance. Weather that performance is in the time trial or in the weekly races, it's all we have to go on. If a driver performs much better than the division they are in, we take a look at the lap times (when they are there) to determine if that individual should be moved up or not. Going forward, I will go as far as watching replays of the races when there is a question about moving a driver mid season. This can be done now that the replays are working. In the lower divisions, it is often a case of just staying on the track will get you to the front of the field. Sometimes they guy that can stay clean for the night ends up with a dominating performance even though they may not win all the poles or even have the fastest laps in the room for the night.

    It is also impossible to tell how much any individual driver is going to practice the combos for the week or what combo might be in a drivers "sweet spot".

    The point here is that there is no way to predict the future. If you have a way to predict it, please let us all know so we can play our state's individual lotteries and all retire. We can only look at what a driver has done in the past and try to get them in the right spot.

    This league more than doubled in size in one month. Multiple new divisions were created and over one third of the leagues drivers were moved between divisions for this season. If one or two drivers ended up in the wrong spot, I don't see that as a huge issue especially when there was really no indication, based on past performance, that any of the dominant drivers from this week would perform as well as they did.

    Chalk it up to a driver using the two weeks to prepare for the races. How did you spend your two weeks? I know I didn't put more than 10 laps in for any of the combos and my performance showed it.
     
  12. Troggy

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    Totally relaxed. I had a great time last night! Lost the nights championship taking a calculated risk into the Arena in the last race! Very exciting!!

    I'm not trying to come across as being difficult, just bored on a Monday with only 1 combo to practice. Sorry if I'm ruffling too many feathers.
     
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  13. intoflatlines

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    I agree that placing someone accurately is difficult to do, but just because someone placed in a low division for their driving test, but then consistently wins doesn't mean that they intentionally sandbagged. There are plenty of people that are terrible at time trials/qualifying but can regularly win during races, and vice versa.
     
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    I came back in January from a year+ hiatus from GT5. I was quick in GT5 but not GT-Academy quick. However I was consistent if anything, rarely going off course in online races.

    When I got GT6 for Christmas, I did some A-spec for about a week then I did 15 laps at Laguna, no more, no less for the qualifier. Over the past month I have learned a little more about the physics of GT6 and had to adjust my driving style considerably. My first few weeks I had some tough competition in D5 but as I gained experience and combos began to suit my driving style, I started to pull away. I thought moving up to D4 was going to be a challenge and I practiced quite a bit last week to prepare.

    Am I D2-D3 material? Probably. I don't mind earning my way up the ladder to see where I fit best.
     
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  15. IceWarden

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    Feathers unruffled ;)

    I was just trying to say that there are a lot of factors involved in placement and they don't promote mid-season based on a single night of dominance.
     
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  16. Troggy

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    Yea, I wasn't trying to say it was easy :)

    I think I am the opposite. I'm really quick in qualifying but I tend to fall to pressure once I've hit the podium. I think I've podiumed the last 6 sprint races without a win, most of them starting on the front row :(

    Seems everytime I hit 3rd in a reverse grid, I do something stupid that ends up costing me big points.
     
  17. chuyler1

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    Absolutely @JoeW. Another factor to consider is how many people showed up. There were only 9 drivers in D4 last night. So I only had to pass 6 cars to get podium. If we had 16 of the best D4 drivers on the grid, the results would have been different for sure. Each reverse-grid race there was the typical accident involving 2 to 3 cars. I get around that and only have to pass 3 or 4 cars to secure a podium.
     
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  18. RebelYeller73

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  19. covan2306

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    Is there not a "set in stone" pre set rule, or system in which it's decided wether a driver is better/worse than his current division?
     
  20. RebelYeller73

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    Hi,
    I Would Be Interested In Joining.
    Thanks!
     
  21. JLBowler

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    No, there is not. There are entirely too many variables to even attempt to set something in stone to say when someone is to be moved up.
     
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  22. Handlebar

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    @covan2306 - this is it.

    Consider number of drivers in a division as another thought - having 2 grids of 14 and 2 other divisions at 7-8 isn't great either. Many, many variables.

    @kcheeb, post: 9297530
    Announcing the February Lineup for S.N.A.I.L. SPEC Racing

    The February Tab of the Results Document has been updated with driver movement for the month of February.

    Thanks to @JLBowler for providing new insight to Promotion and Relegation.
    @Oshawa-Joe will have the Drivers List updated shortly.
    @ExoSphere64 will make sure our rooms run like clockwork next week. Team S.N.A.I.L. needs you :D

    To all the S.N.A.I.L.s that drive week after week, Thank You! Look at all the One and Two Year trophies on our drivers list :D

    There's no clear cut formula for getting promoted or relegated. With January behind us and quite a bit more data at our fingertips, we're confident you'll be in much closer racing this month. As was said last month, if we've made a mistake placing anyone WE WILL ACT QUICKLY to rectify the issue :tup:

    We take into account a number of factors to determine candidates for promotion and relegation. Once we've identified the drivers, we analyze the data at our disposal and make sure the people being moved fit into the Division they're being moved to. Then we pull the trigger :dopey:

    Some of the criteria for being ELIGIBLE to be moved are:

    1. Points for the month
    2. How many drivers are in each division.
    3. Race pace
    4. Individual Lap Times
    5. How you compare to other racers in your division and the division you're a candidate for.
    6. Number of times you've raced that month.
    7. How cleanly you've raced this past month.

    Why do we do this?

    1. To get you involved in races you will be racing in, not just putting in laps.
    2. To incent you to improve your driving and racecraft.
    3. To give you something to strive for.
    4. To make it possible for you to have fun playing GT6.
    5. Give the servers a break.

    We want you to be in good, close, clean racing :tup:

    If you have any questions or concerns about promotion or relegation, feel free to pm me. I'd be more than happy to talk to you about it.

    Cheers and good racing all!

    kcheeb---- End Quote

    From a few weeks ago, but here's your formula on How We Do It.
     
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  23. Skills

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    @RebelYeller73,
    Thanks for your interest!
    We would love to have you in the league. Here's what you need to know and do in order to join:

    We run a clean league by enforcing a strict penalty system based on the S.N.A.I.L. OLR (which is a modified version of the GTP OLR). We also expect all of our drivers to know and follow The Good Racecraft Guide.
    Please become versed in both if you aren't already. Once that is complete, please follow the steps below to complete your entry into the league:

    1. You take the S.N.A.I.L. OLR and Racecraft Test

    2. You run the Time Trial and submit your information by midnight EST on Saturday night if you want to race this Sunday.

    3. @JLBowler PM's you with your assigned Division that we feel will give you the closest competition. You will be added to the drivers list.

    4. The Race Director or Primary Host from the corresponding SNAIL Division will send you a PSN friend request. Sunday night you will need to sort the online lobbies by friends and join the lobby named 'snailracing.org Division_(x) based off your Division placement from JLBowler. That lobby will be where you race Sunday.

    5. You drive fast and clean on Sunday :tup:

    The original post has everything you need to know about what to expect on Sunday night and what you will need to have completed in order to be competitive. If you have any questions, please feel free to post your question on the thread.

    If you have a preference for car/wheel colour and racing number, please follow the instruction contained here.
    To avoid duplication, the currently claimed combinations can be found here.

    During the week we run a number of different events, we encourage all SNAILs to join as many as possible.

    Welcome to S.N.A.I.L. :cheers:
     
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  24. Pichon617

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    To all in SNAIL Nascar Monday we have a full field of 16 drivers.
    Quik ??? G27 FFB good at 7 or should I have it higher.
     
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  25. JLBowler

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    Just to elaborate on guys that are thought to be in the wrong division. I just watched replays of all races from a division that had a driver make up 25 positions in the reverse grid races. On the surface, you would think he is just driving through the field and is in the wrong division.

    He passed 3 cars that were on the track and at speed. That's right, 3, every other position he made up was the result of a mistake made by another driver that allowed an easy pass either by being off the track completely or drastically slowed and out of the racing line. This means that the other members of his division essentially gave him 22 points without a fight over the course of the night. That right there is what turns an average night into a prize winning night.

    I wouldn't exactly call that dominating a division. I would call it surviving a division by avoiding the chaos in front of you.
     
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  26. tezgm99

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    WC replays are uploaded....I hope. It's telling me they are at any rate :/
     
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  27. Schmiggz

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    The D4 votes are entered in the directors sheet since last night
     
  28. chuyler1

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    All drivers make mistakes. Being dominant is about being in the right position to capitalize on those mistakes. Every pass, including whatever 3 you identified, was the result of another driver's mistake be it small or large. However, it was not a mistake that I was close enough every time to sneak by. That's my style though. I'm not going to push someone out or aggressively pass them when they are doing their best to hit their marks. I'll wait until they open the door...and when I come up along side them they know why.
     
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  29. Rallywagon

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    I used to be the aggressive type. Hoping I could cause the one in front to crack under the pressure. More often then not, I got myself into trouble and into a wall or out in the lawn lookin for sand... man. After I cut that crap out though, and started taking it cool, I noticed I placed better. there is a lot to say about being consistent. Al of it good.
     
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  30. JLBowler

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    Who is uploading D4 replays this week? I have nothing going on tonight and would like to take a look at them.