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I mean it's been explained to you, what? Half a dozen times now? More? These are just the ones I remember seeing since I started looking in this thread after I voted Tuesday morning:Sorry, who was I fooled by? I was listening to Palestinians, among others, not Trump (is that the implication?)
I think it comes down to a pretty simple question - is a Donald Trump presidency worse or better for Palestinians than a Kamala Harris presidency. There are no other practical considerations on this issue.
So do you think Donald Trump is better for Palestinians than Kamala Harris? Because that would be...remarkable.
If Donald Trump is elected tonight, I think Gaza will literally no long exist in 4 years. Netanyahu will be given tacit permission to run over the enclave, and he will try to do it as fast as possible. All the residents of Gaza will likely confined to a very small area, which will resemble an actual prison even more than it already does. The rest will be settled by Israelis, gleefully. The west bank will continue to be eroded and I'd guess that most Muslims will be pushed out of Jerusalem too. You think Joe Biden is bad for Palestinians, wait till you see Bibi & Trump, round 2. It's just a shocking rejection of reality to protest vote on this issue. The crazy thing is that you think you have some kind of moral authority on this issue, when in reality you are the one making the decision that could imperil Muslims not only in the middle east but in the USA too.
Perhaps you could cover, in a few sentences or less, for those of us who don't seem to get how it's controversial that a woman with no current power to arm Israel says that Israel needs to be mindful of how it "defends itself" in not killing Palestinian civilians in anticipation of her gaining that power - or why a Harris White House would be so much worse for Palestinians than a Trump White House which very definitely already did send weaponry to Israel and which a simple search appears to show Israeli newspapers absolutely stanning for (and Iran appears to be bricking it about).
But republicans in congress have even more to do with it (and you've already stopped thinking about that haven't you?). She has not made statements of unequivocal support of Israel to the best of my knowledge. You quoted her making a statement (that was not unequivocal support), and left out the context that included the stuff that it's wrong for Israel to be doing.
Your logic seems to be - Biden & Harris have facilitated Palestinian suffering, and that's bad, so I will vote in such a way that their suffering will be worse and their future prospects more dim than ever. Punishing Joe Biden for the actions of Israel to the benefit of Donald Trump (regardless of your state) and detriment of Kamala Harris, who has only tenuous agency in the whole thing, is no favor to the Palestinian people, it's just personally vindictive and emotional.
If Harris (who isn't actually the incumbent President by the way) is having Israeli military aid applied against her, then the same must equally apply to the actual former President who actually did do it during his time in office.
You actually believe Trump will stop weapon shipments?
To his friend Bibi?
Keep in mind that their position is way more friendly to your cause than the Republicans. So if you're making a list of people not to forgive, republicans should be listed first.
I would even say that it would stand to reason that Trump bragging openly about working with Netanyahu for months to sabotage ceasefire attempts to make Biden look weak (regardless of whether it is true) should go a long way towards telling you how much a protest vote against Democrats matters regarding what Israel is doing in Gaza; but here we are.
It's not an implication. It never was an implication. It has in fact been obvious to everyone in this thread but you that liberals souring on Harris because she wasn't properly handling the minefield that she had no control over regarding what Israel was doing while working with Trump was something that played right into Trump's hands. It so obviously played into Trump's hands that he couldn't help but brag about being behind it in interviews, giving stated goals of working to block efforts of the Biden administration negotiating a ceasefire because he wanted to make Biden and Harris look bad to their voting bloc. It was widely reported that him and Netanyahu had been meeting together all summer, to the point that every time a ceasefire discussion was scuttled people started wondering aloud if the two had just met again. If you hear the things he was saying out loud in the final week of the election and take them at face value, he has been significantly directly responsible for making Palestinian people suffer because it benefited him if Harris and Biden were forced to deal with Israel's actions when he could just ignore the fallout that Harris was getting hammered for; even though giving weapons to Israel over the past year and being completely spineless with conditions attached to them wasn't her choice. You have been flailing around trying to spin voting against Harris as a trolley problem or a line in the sand or a moral imperative or a grievous self-own political failing of the Harris campaign or anything you could try to make stick when the person she was running against is one of the biggest reasons that the problem is as bad as it was and has only gotten worse in the past 6 months.She's actually chosen her words regarding Israel extremely carefully considering her campaign rival and alleged US ally Netanyahu have been actively conspiring against US interests to deliberately put her in a position that makes her look as weak as the man she's replacing on the subject to a much larger (and, let's be frank, much more powerful one) voting constituency of US politics. She's been given a no win scenario over an issue by her opponent and I'm not sure how she could have navigated it better than she has, even if it is the topic that she's been thumped the most over (which has been Trump's intention from the start)
And now Trump won, and Gaza could very well be a parking lot by the end of January. And, yes, it's directly related to when people like you did exactly what Trump wanted people like you to do; because a pointless protest vote even in a deeply partisan area of the country will absolutely embolden a candidate and his followers/cronies when it helps him win the popular vote in the process. Congratulations.
No. You should have probably been less gullible considering how many times the logical issues with your position were explained even before Tuesday; but you absolutely shouldn't have spent the past work week desperately trying to find some angle to prove that you didn't get punked by Donald Trump when he said out loud that he was actively conspiring with the Israeli government to get people to drop support for Harris for the exact sentiment you keep parroting. But it's okay. That just means you're just like the 73+ million people who voted for him that he also fooled who also think they're the smartest people in the room.Oh god, I've made a huge mistake! I should have based my decisions on what would make people like me!
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