2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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It probably was said somewhere else, but everything Don the Con has every accused other of doing or being, he himself and his family and circle has embodied more than anyone else...

They subconsciously project their own shortcomings and lies and deceit and the knowledge of their guilts onto others; thus and blaming others before they are being caught first.

These are the actions of a Bully of first class. Why do we allow it to happen.?
Why do we give him so much the benefit of the doubt ?
Aren't we just as guilty as he is by allowing this to happen?

It's similar to the dumb crook (village idiot) who stole the town's museum art piece, but before anyone even is able to under or investigate who the thief is, the guilty individual puts out the exact accurate step by step scenarios, but then blaming someone else specific... Shouldn't that be sus?

There must be a psychological terminology to describe that sort of behavior...
Don the con must be the perfect individual to be studies accross America for psychology majors, I wonder why these professionals don't stand up and point it out to all us..

Human nature is not magic, it can be easily explained, why are they so afraid of coming out ?
Anyone here a psychiatrist or psychologist
I dont even know the difference but some of you must...

Please help
 
Human nature is not magic, it can be easily explained, why are they so afraid of coming out ?
Anyone here a psychiatrist or psychologist
I dont even know the difference but some of you must...

Personally I believe Donald is afflicted with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He's not a benign narcissist, he's what sometimes gets called a "malignant" narcissist. A narcissist that manipulates the people around him into feeding his narcissism, because he can't feed it from within. Many narcissists don't do this, but the personality disorder type rely on it.

The problem with psychologists standing up and making this claim is that it basically immediately outs them as a bad psychologist. For one, you can't have a personality disorder until you basically admit it. If you're happy with how your life is going, you don't have a disorder. The disorder is indicating that the person themselves has identified a problem. NDP individuals are very rarely going to admit this because it causes what can get referred to as a Narcissistic Collapse. They'd have to acknowledge that what they're doing is wrong, and part of the disorder is to maintain the illusion that they're amazing people. It's like telling a schizophrenic to take meds - part of the disorder is to think the meds are a secret plot against them.

So you can't say he has a disorder because he won't admit it. And you can't really "diagnose" someone from video clips and public appearances. You'd need to get them in a clinical setting, talking to their relatives candidly, and make an honest assessment. It's essentially impossible to do for a figure like him, and so you'd be undermining your own medical credibility to even attempt it. You need some level of cooperation and honesty from a patient to get an accurate diagnosis.
 
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Looks like turd, sounds like turd, smells like turd, short of tasting it... But no way we can call it turd unless the turd itself acknowledge that it is a turd ?

Got it.


Why don't we just pick up the turd and throw it somewhere else ?

We gonna leave it on our own, give it the benefit of the doubt ?

If the opposite was happening, the table turn around, they would be very quick at charge you and lock you up without a fair trial...

Lessons learned: in life never ever admit of any wrong doing, so to not incriminate yourself.

He is truly a hero, now I understand why so many support trump. Truly inspiring the "moral" compass this con has...
 
That’s not the reason people vote for Trump
Maybe not specifically, everyone has their own reasons. But 90% of the reasons for voting for Trump boil down to logic that isn't that far removed from "I've heard of him and he looks right and he acts like he believes the same things that I do". So I'm pretty comfortable with "he's a rich white dude what was on TV" as a mockingly ignorant generalisation of that.

If you want to deep dive into the real reasons why people choose demagogues then be my guest.
These are the actions of a Bully of first class. Why do we allow it to happen.?
Why do we give him so much the benefit of the doubt ?
Aren't we just as guilty as he is by allowing this to happen?
You're conflating a lot of people in that "we".

"We" people who disagree with him aren't necessarily just allowing it to happen, but at the same time this is part of the failure of the system to gatekeep against people who are patently damaging. "We" aren't guilty because we're not giving him the benefit of the doubt, but the way things work means that he can do them anyway and changing the systems is difficult and takes a long time.

"We" people who support him aren't just allowing it to happen, they're encouraging it. They want this. They give him the benefit of the doubt because they don't want to have to look too closely at his red flags. They want to believe what he says, not what he observably is. They are not just as guilty as he is, he's going out of his way to mislead a lot of them, but they certainly bear some fault for whatever consequences might arise.
I dont even know the difference but some of you must...
If you actually want to learn about this stuff, there are numerous historical examples of populist leaders who were otherwise objectively unqualified to lead. Every one of them is a little bit different and has their own specific style, but you can start to see the similarities.

One thing that isn't directly related to the candidate. People don't fall over themselves to vote for someone like Trump when they feel like everything is going well. People like Trump are exploiting already present dissatisfaction from voters in order to advance themselves. That dissatisfaction doesn't even have to be real, like the people who support Trump because they think he's the antidote to the Great Replacement, it just has to exist. And if there's insufficient dissatisfaction, it's pretty easy at the moment to stoke more given how completely uncontrolled our information distribution systems have become.

The internet is a wonderful thing, but there's something to be said for when all major news essentially had to go through professionals who had their credibility and livelihoods on the line before it could be distributed widely. We will adapt eventually, but for now a lot of people seem to still treat Twitter and Facebook the same way they treated the front page of the national newspapers.
Why don't we just pick up the turd and throw it somewhere else ?
How?

Don't hide behind metaphors. What specifically would you like to see happen here?
 
Personally I believe Donald is afflicted with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
I get that clinicalisation and classification of all behaviours can be controversial and NPD is one way of putting it. In more abrupt terms, he's a massive 🤬 .

In a more analytical manner, behaviour like this starts starts at home. Almost all testimony about Trump's upbringing says that his father, Fred, constantly reinforced attitudes into his son like you're a King; you're a killer; everything is yours; you, you, you.

Anecdote alert in bold letters but ask any teacher about a spoilt child. I see it in my own classes as will countless others; a child who is spoilt rotten, who is never told no, who has selfish importance thrust upon them very early, these are usually the children who grow up to be pricks, truth be told. Very comfortable wealth enabling all materialistic desires only makes this situation worse and leads to a "Well I've always gotten what I wanted" attitude.

It's not an either/or nor am I saying it always goes like this but there is at least anecdotal correlation.
 
Personally I believe Donald is afflicted with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He's not a benign narcissist, he's what sometimes gets called a "malignant" narcissist. A narcissist that manipulates the people around him into feeding his narcissism, because he can't feed it from within. Many narcissists don't do this, but the personality disorder type rely on it
Had a long chat with ChatGPT 4o, having fed it with the transcript of the following long interview with an expert on NPD



Here's the response to my request to create a checklist for identifying probable NPD, and in my opinion, the correlations between this list and Mr Trump's behavior are uncanny. I'm not a mental health professional, but as an engineer, this level of correlation in anything would lead me to suggest near 100% probability that the hypothesis is a workable one.

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Checklist for Identifying Probable Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)​

Key Traits and Behaviors​

Use this checklist to identify signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Remember, a formal diagnosis should be made by a qualified mental health professional.

  1. Grandiose Sense of Self-Importance
    • Believes they are superior to others.
    • Exaggerates achievements and talents.
    • Example: Claims to be the best in their field without evidence.
  2. Preoccupation with Fantasies of Unlimited Success, Power, Brilliance, Beauty, or Ideal Love
    • Often daydreams about being extremely successful or powerful.
    • Example: Constantly talks about future fame and fortune without realistic plans.
  3. Belief They Are Special and Unique
    • Feels only high-status people or institutions can understand them.
    • Example: Refuses to associate with people they deem "ordinary."
  4. Requires Excessive Admiration
    • Seeks constant validation and praise.
    • Example: Frequently fishes for compliments and gets upset when not praised.
  5. Sense of Entitlement
    • Expects favorable treatment and automatic compliance with their expectations.
    • Example: Demands special treatment in public places.
  6. Interpersonally Exploitative Behavior
    • Takes advantage of others to achieve their own ends.
    • Example: Uses friends or colleagues to advance their career without regard for their well-being.
  7. Lack of Empathy
    • Unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
    • Example: Dismisses others' problems as insignificant compared to their own.
  8. Envious of Others or Believes Others Are Envious of Them
    • Frequently compares themselves to others and feels envious.
    • Example: Belittles others' achievements and assumes others are jealous of them.
  9. Arrogant, Haughty Behaviors or Attitudes
    • Displays arrogance and superiority.
    • Example: Talks down to others and acts as if they are always right.

Additional Red Flags​

  1. Erratic and Contradictory Behavior
    • Inconsistencies in stories and actions.
    • Example: Claims to be deeply ethical but engages in dishonest behavior.
  2. Manipulative and Controlling
    • Uses manipulation to control others.
    • Example: Gaslights or twists facts to suit their narrative.
  3. Frequent Displays of Anger or Rage
    • Reacts with disproportionate anger when challenged.
    • Example: Explodes in anger over minor criticisms.
  4. Difficulty Maintaining Relationships
    • Has a history of tumultuous or short-lived relationships.
    • Example: Friends and partners often distance themselves over time.
  5. Need to Dominate Conversations
    • Dominates discussions, often interrupting others.
    • Example: Rarely lets others speak and always steers the conversation back to themselves.

Contextual Factors​

  • In Personal Relationships:
    • Demands excessive attention and loyalty.
    • Example: Expects constant admiration and sacrifices from partners.
  • In the Workplace:
    • Seeks leadership roles without merit and undermines colleagues.
    • Example: Takes credit for others' work and avoids blame.
  • In Social Settings:
    • Needs to be the center of attention.
    • Example: Engages in attention-seeking behaviors at social events.

Conclusion​

Identifying NPD involves looking for a pattern of behaviors that indicate a grandiose sense of self, lack of empathy, and manipulative tendencies. Use this checklist as a guide, but remember that a thorough evaluation by a mental health professional is necessary for a formal diagnosis.

Disclaimer: This checklist is for informational purposes only and is not intended to replace professional diagnosis or treatment.
 
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I'm not a mental health professional, but as an engineer, this level of correlation in anything would lead me to suggest near 100% probability that the hypothesis is a workable one.

A lot of NPD individuals end up having nearly all of the typical characteristics. One resource I was reading said that it's like they're nearly all textbook cases. The reason is that NDP is a self-reinforcing loop, so if you don't have all of the pieces your feedback loop might not fully link up and you end up finding your way out of it.

Looks like turd, sounds like turd, smells like turd, short of tasting it... But no way we can call it turd unless the turd itself acknowledge that it is a turd ?
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Lessons learned: in life never ever admit of any wrong doing, so to not incriminate yourself.

I very much personally understand the frustration associated with this. Try to think of it like someone who is abusing drugs. If the person loses their job and their family and is destitute, but they're fine with how it's going and want to keep using drugs, how do you clinically diagnose them with a disorder or abuse problem? They're perfectly fine. They want no help, they're happy just like they are. A lot of times this is what "interventions" are about, to get the person to see that they have a problem when they don't see it. Part of the definition is that the person themselves is not happy with how things are going.

This doesn't mean that they're a good person or someone to emulate. It means that if you're delusional enough, it's difficult for a psychologist to distinguish between someone who is interacting with the world in exactly the way they want, and someone who is troubled and needs help. The field in general tries not to tell you exactly how you need to live and behave. They listen for problems and try to help you understand how to engage in healthy behavior that will alleviate those problems. If you have no perceived problems, you walk out the door.
 
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I'd be interested in the distinction between someone with a narcissistic personality versus NPD.

In some ways a garden variety narcissist looks the same. Totally full of themselves, can't stop talking about themselves, thinks they're amazing, doesn't care one bit about you and how you're doing, etc. But that's surface level. A garden variety narcissist can have a lot of self esteem and just a low value placed on empathy or caring about others. The NPD variety generally has to have very low self esteem, and is compensating.

The key difference is the mechanism by which they boost self esteem. A narcissist might have high levels of self esteem which they get from themselves. If they see a good job they've done, they might overestimate how amazing it is, but they might be able to do it in a vacuum or near vacuum. They can see a good job done, and if everyone else tells them it's bad, they still think it's good and everyone else has a problem. And they move on. They might be perfectly satisfied with this state of affairs. But this would not work for an NPD person.

The NPD person gets their self esteem from others. They have a low or nearly non-existent internal source of self-esteem. So if others are telling them they did a bad job, that's a situation that is in desperate need of remedy, because that's their source of self-esteem. The remedy for the NPD person is not to change themselves, that would make them feel bad about themselves or make them think they did a bad job, which would further damage their internal self esteem and not solve the problem of everyone else not thinking they did a good job. The NPD person goes right to the source, the other people, and manipulates them into telling the NPD person the job was good. This prevents them from having to confront issues that would make them feel bad and also gives them what they crave - that external source of validation.

So the key difference is that the NPD person manipulates. They use all kind of psychological manipulation tricks to get people to tell them what they desperately need to hear. Gaslighting, double-binds, bullying, etc. They see people as a means to feel good about themselves and use every trick in the book, at the expense of the truth, of the person's well-being, etc, to get them to tell them what they want to hear. This is often born out of childhood trauma, but I personally think there are other avenues to arrive at this kind of situation. If it sounds a bit like 8-year-old psychology, that's because their psychological development arrested somewhere along those lines in childhood.

It's ok if an 8 year old behaves this way. If a 40 year old does it, it's a disorder (but not clinically so unless they recognize it's a problem).

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Here's an example I'm going to pull from some level of personal experience.

Narcissist retiring after a long successful career - "I am amazing. My career was the best, better than yours. I'm praiseworthy forever. I'll be full of myself till the day I die".
NPD retiring after a long successful career - "I'm so depressed. Nobody is telling me how great I am anymore. The people I run into have no idea how amazing I am and I have no way of making them see that. Life is unfair and unkind to me. I'm not getting my due anymore."
 
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So I heard on the news, that in the unlikely case convicted Don gets sent to jail, he'll still have bodyguards in there?
I know this never happened before. Sure there is no precedent, but where I live when you get put in jail, your also get sentenced to deprivation of civil rights. Which I would assume would mean loss of protection because former president.
 
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So I heard on the news, that in the unlikely case convicted Don gets sent to jail, he'll still have bodyguards in there?
I know this never happened before. Sure there is no precedent, but where I live when you get put in jail, your also get sentenced to deprivation of civil rights. Which I would assume would mean loss of protection because former president.
A President is afforded Secret Service for life after leaving office, and that would extend to them protecting him in a jail. However, I would expect that, should a President ever actually see the inside of a prison, they will be in a high-class, solitary area that celebrities typically get. Personally, I still think he gets confined to Mar-A-Lago at worst.
 
A lot of NPD individuals end up having nearly all of the typical characteristics. One resource I was reading said that it's like they're nearly all textbook cases. The reason is that NDP is a self-reinforcing loop, so if you don't have all of the pieces your feedback loop might not fully link up and you end up finding your way out of it.
Part of it is possibly also that those people are the ones that are quite happy with how they are and revel in it. They're the ones who you see displaying behaviour to the extent that it's diagnosable just by observing them.

The people who are potentially diagnosable with NPD but don't like it and attempt to minimise or mitigate their symptoms will look quite different externally even if their internal experiences could be very similar. They still have NPD, but acting out those symptoms is not necessarily how they want to be.

It gets wobblier when you get into that personality disorders like that are formed in part through upbringing and/or trauma. It's not an excuse for people being ******, and Trump is a next level awful human being, but at some point he went through experiences that made this sort of behaviour seem like a sensible response. From what I've heard, Trump's father was not a good dude.

It's why I still kinda feel for the Donald's kids sometimes. They also seem like absolute garbage tier human beings, but when you grow up with that as your Dad it really doesn't feel like they were given a fair chance to not suck.
 
Part of it is possibly also that those people are the ones that are quite happy with how they are and revel in it. They're the ones who you see displaying behaviour to the extent that it's diagnosable just by observing them.
For sure the "covert" angle is real. I think most NPD folks tend to be the "covert" type, but Donald is getting bolder as he ages so the pretense is getting dropped. That's also how it was with the example in my circle as he aged.
It's why I still kinda feel for the Donald's kids sometimes. They also seem like absolute garbage tier human beings, but when you grow up with that as your Dad it really doesn't feel like they were given a fair chance to not suck.
This one rings a big bell with me. The kids of someone with NPD have grown up under this twisted image of reality and end up really skewed entering adulthood*. Once they get there, they really need to take it upon themselves to distance themselves from this influence and find a healthier group so that they can learn to recognize it and its impact on them. I've seen varying degrees of success.

I think in Trump's case the kids were basically doomed, having been groomed so heavily, and his celebrity making it nearly impossible for them to truly get perspective.

*and the other family members, like a wife, are also subject to abuse and psychologically abusive reprogramming
 
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This is not doubling down, but at this point it's tripling down on the lies and making up scenarios to make him and his circle look good...

How could any sain person no see what I am seeing?
Are we just gonna sit here and take this at face value
And continue to allow this to happen ...
We are such a care bare country, giving them so much our benefit of the doubt...

24 hours coverage on multiple supporting (in bed) news channels for the past 8 years and we cannot find evidence of lies ?

That is what is frustrating to me.

Like I said before, what he incite and bullies others, he is the first one to deserve it himself, no one else...
Just lock him up for his own good... What do we have to lose?

More insurrection from the good people on the right ?
 
They're even lying about it not being an insurrection.
If those people have guns and are so good at taking government buildings, couldn't they also do what the have been requested the government to do, when they themselves are the party to desire less government involvement:

Defend the border and prevent people from coming ?
They GOP and MagA with their infinite supply of guns: go to the border and defend their land...
No laws is saying they can't do it, is there ?
 
If those people have guns and are so good at taking government buildings, couldn't they also do what the have been requested the government to do, when they themselves are the party to desire less government involvement:

Defend the border and prevent people from coming ?
They GOP and MagA with their infinite supply of guns: go to the border and defend their land...
No laws is saying they can't do it, is there ?
Impersonating someone from the border patrol could be a felony. If it devolves into shooting and killing immigrants, there is a law against that.
 
I suspect Archer intended to say "wasn't", not "was". He's still wrong, regardless:



He continued to double down after the award. GOP SOP is tompretend Trump wasn't aware of the charges against him although his lawyers would've been already told what they were before the trial could begin.

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People with Narcissistic Personality Disorder will say whatever makes them feel good in the moment. Consistency and truth don't matter.
Breaking news: Trump, after ranting that TikTok should be banned, has joined TikTok.

In other news: Nobody is surprised.
 
Breaking news: Trump, after ranting that TikTok should be banned, has joined TikTok.

In other news: Nobody is surprised.
That will be the location where he rants "lock her up" and then vehemently deny he said it, right?
 
That will be the location where he rants "lock her up" and then vehemently deny he said it, right?
It's a video platform so he can do his stupid double pull-off dance while chanting it. Chyy-nuh is #1!
 
Good news!

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/l...llot/530-a5532127-509c-4852-944d-73cc5e20dd69

Biden will be on the ballot in Ohio. 32 Ohio Republican legislators voted no lmao. Regardless, the DNC may hold a virtual roll call to nominate Biden for Ohio.
Lol.

"DeWine also signed a bill to ban foreign nationals from contributing to state ballot campaigns."

Are we actually in 1924 or something? How is it that a state in a country that has been at times cartoonishly xenophobic is only just now getting around to having an explicit bill to prohibit foreigners from influencing elections?

JFC America. Get yer **** in a sock.
 
Can people who are under criminal investigation and/or convicted of crimes quit trying to run for office?
He's such a great man he decided to throw his wife (who has cancer) under the bus as being entirely responsible for it. He will probably lose as an independent.
 
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