Yep. Pd logic as finest.And we have a classic Mini and a 356 that I'm pretty sure are somewhat competition spec.
I think the S-FR would fit more realistically as a Group 4.I wonder if it's something to do with street legality?
I've also had a hypothesis for some time that the S-FR Racing Concept and Vulcan would be put into Gr.X if they were added to the game today. But I think the two were in the N-Series at launch because PD wasn't 100% sure where to place them, and I think this is also why the Vulcan is "dumbed-down," in a sense. And this would be why the Zonda R and P1 GTR were put in Gr.X when they were added. I'm unsure if PD can retroactively change the class of a car, either. But yeah, I think the Vulcan and S-FR Racing Concept would be put into Gr.X if the category system in GTS returns in the next game.
As for the R8 Gordini, I'm not entirely sure if it was street legal, whereas I think the Porsche 356 and the Mini Cooper S may be in the N-series due to their street-legal status.
It was road legal, built as a rally car.I wonder if it's something to do with street legality?
I've also had a hypothesis for some time that the S-FR Racing Concept and Vulcan would be put into Gr.X if they were added to the game today. But I think the two were in the N-Series at launch because PD wasn't 100% sure where to place them, and I think this is also why the Vulcan is "dumbed-down," in a sense. And this would be why the Zonda R and P1 GTR were put in Gr.X when they were added. I'm unsure if PD can retroactively change the class of a car, either. But yeah, I think the Vulcan and S-FR Racing Concept would be put into Gr.X if the category system in GTS returns in the next game.
As for the R8 Gordini, I'm not entirely sure if it was street legal, whereas I think the Porsche 356 and the Mini Cooper S may be in the N-series due to their street-legal status.
Maybe. But the Fiat 500F has 16 horsepower and that somehow makes it N100 even though it's literally impossible to win any races with it.Maybe there’s something about the R8 Gordini that makes it hard enough to balance with other N100 cars insofar that it was placed into Gr.X.
My other hypothesis was that even if it was street-legal, perhaps there was some other factor that put it into Gr.X, likely to do with balancing issues. Maybe there’s something about the R8 Gordini that makes it hard enough to balance with other N100 cars insofar that it was placed into Gr.X.
its the aiThe lack of common sense portrayed in the decision making for this title is beyond mind numbing.
Who is approving these decisions? Is this all Kaz himself or is it just a cluster eff?
Having the Gordini in GrX is a really bad idea. That group is for either road cars that have some quality that prevents them from being properly BoP’d, like EV’s or hybrids with a high electric capacity, or for race cars that don’t fit into one of the existing classes. The Gordini can definitely be BoP’d in N-classes, and it’s road legal, so that’s where it should be.
Actually, the same is true for a car like the 250GTO. Just saying.
The R8 is a rally car
No it's not. It's a road legal car that has been entered in rally and circuit racing. there was a R8 Gordini Cup in France, first in rally, then on circuit, which is famous for being the first racing experience of many notorious french drivers. It was popular litterally because you could literally enter with your daily driver, and tuning was actually prohibited :
No, it’s definitely a rally car. And rally cars are generally road legal, even group B monsters.
its the ai
Are you seriously doing this? It's a road car that was entered into rally. Are you trying to defend putting a car in Gr. X? I've heard of playing devil's advocate but come on.No, it’s definitely a rally car. And rally cars are generally road legal, even group B monsters.
1) N classes are unbalanced by design
2) The R8 Gordini could be a close match to the 356 without any BoP (still has to be thoroughly tested). With BoP I can even see the old Mini thrown into the mix.
Yes, they are. Rally cars are driven on public roads between stages and service parks. They have to be registered and road legal.No, Group B cars that ran in actual rally events are not road legal,
Another classic Rally GB moment came in 2003, when double world champion Marcus Gronholm was pulled over by the Welsh police, who wouldn’t let him continue driving on public roads due to the fact his Peugeot had a damaged wheel.
The incident would go down in history as the police officer repeatedly forbids Gronholm from continuing, despite the Finn’s protestation that he does, in fact, know what he’s doing.
Police would spell trouble for other drivers that year too, as part of a country-wide crackdown on speeding. Between the stages, rally drivers are required to drive on public roads to reach specific points by certain times or else they face points penalties.
The cops were having none of it. A total of 17 drivers were fined by Welsh police in 2003, with Colin McRae and Richard Burns among them. According to reports from the time, a total of four of those drivers were issued with driving bans.
The R8 is a rally car and the 250GTO is a race car. They don’t belong to the N class. I’m sure they could be BoP’d to fit reasonably well though.
No, Group B cars that ran in actual rally events are not road legal, which is why they built road legal versions of them which were not used in races. Renault has sold exactly 11,607 R8 Gordini as road cars. There were not 11,607 R8 Gordini racing. You could see them all the time on public roads when they weren't worth 40k. 100% road car - unless you consider a Mégane or Clio RS as a rally car that should be put in Gr.X as well.
Also the video I posted literally has Amédée Gordini saying the cars being raced are road cars.
No, Group B cars that ran in actual rally events are not road legal, which is why they built road legal versions of them which were not used in races. Renault has sold exactly 11,607 R8 Gordini as road cars. There were not 11,607 R8 Gordini racing. You could see them all the time on public roads when they weren't worth 40k. 100% road car - unless you consider a Mégane or Clio RS as a rally car that should be put in Gr.X as well.
Also the video I posted literally has Amédée Gordini saying the cars being raced are road cars.