61 Road Cars On Opera Paris & The 'Cap!

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12 cars have been eliminated, and 19 will be added, in a new catagory. There is a new direction, competition. And that is to declare the best, the best street cars in 4 different catagorys, based on power. The catagorys are as follows:
235 Series: this will include the fastest cars with no more than 235HP.
270 Series: this will include all the fastest cars, between 236-270HP.
Unlimited Series 380: This will include all the cars over 270HP, with none over 380HP.
Supercar Series: The fastest of the fast, the Supercars. anything goes here, as long as it's production, and it has over 380HP.
I did my best, to make catagorys giving each and every car a fair shot, without being placed in a lower catagory than necessary.

All Cars will be raced at El Capitan, and Opera Paris.
The Supercar Series will also race at Fuji, Laguna Seca, & Circuit De La Sarthe.

Hotlaps begin as of now. The relaxed driving they encountered at the 'Ring will happen no longer, these cars will all have the living crap beaten out of them, churning out the fastest laps they/I can muster.
Here are the contenders

235 SERIES
Lotus Elise 111R '04
Nissan Silvia K's '91
Mazda RX-7 GT-X '90
Nissan Skyline GTS-T '89
Nissan Fairlady Z 300zx '83
Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z '88
Mercedes 190 E 2.5 '91
Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87

270 SERIES
TVR V8S '91
Honda S2000 '99
Toyota MR2 GT-S '97
Nissan Silvia Spec R Aero '99
Clio Renault Sport 24v '00
Mazda RX-7 Type RZ '93
Audi S4 '98
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO III GSR '95
Subaru Impreza WRX STI '94

UNLIMITED SERIES 380
Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 '98
Nissan 300ZX 2seater '89
Ford Mustang GT '05
Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 '97
Audi S4 '03
NissanSkyline GT-R Vspec '95
Chevrolet Camaro SS '00
Pontiac GTO 5.7 '04
Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 '90
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 8 RS
Toyota Supra RZ '97
Subaru Impreza STI Spec C
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport '96
Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
Nissan Skyline GT-R '00
Nissan 350Z '03
TVR Griffith 500 '94
BMW M3 '04
RUF 3400S '00
Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A '02
TVR Cerbera Speed Six '97
Honda NSX-R '02
Lotus Esprit V8 '02

SUPERCAR SERIES
Ford GT
Saleen S7
Mercedes SLR McLaren
Pagani Zonda C12S
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
Dodge Viper SRT-10
Dodge Viper GTS '99
Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Aston Martin Vanquish
Aston Martin DB9
BMW M5
Mercedes SL55 AMG
Mercedes SL65 AMG
Cizeta V16T '94
Nissan GT-R '07*
Jaguar XJ220
Jaguar XKR R-Performance '02
RUF CTR Yellowbird '87
RUF CTR2
Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car*


* - It's concept dream has been realized,👍 so it is included.

El Capitan Results:

235 SERIES
2:00.893 - Lotus Elise 111R '04
2:05.224 - Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87
2:06.206 - Mercedes 190 E 2.5 '91
2:06.803 - Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z '88
2:07.750 - Nissan Skyline GTS-T '89
2:08.154 - Mazda RX-7 GT-X '90
2:08.233 - Nissan Silvia K's '91
2:08.349 - Nissan Fairlady Z 300zx '83


270 SERIES
2:02.441 - Clio Renault Sport 24v '00
2:03.502 - Honda S2000 '99
2:03.543 - Mazda RX-7 Type RZ '93
2:03.654 - Nissan Silvia Spec R Aero '99
2:04.278 - Toyota MR2 GT-S '97
2:04.472 - TVR V8S '91
2:06.069 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI '94
2:07.512 - Audi S4 '98
2:09.064 - Mitsubishi Lancer EVO III GSR '95

Unlimited Series 380
2:05.868 - Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 '98
2:04.015 - Nissan 300ZX 2seater '89
2:03.721 - Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 '97
2:03.586 - Audi S4 '03
2:02.756 - NissanSkyline GT-R Vspec '95
2:02.528 - Ford Mustang GT '05
2:02.447 - Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 8 RS
2:02.075 - Chevrolet Camaro SS '00
2:01.768 - Subaru Impreza STI Spec C
2:01.109 - Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport '96
2:00.876 - Toyota Supra RZ '97
2:00.670 - Pontiac GTO 5.7 '04
2:00.380 - Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
2:00.253 - Nissan Skyline GT-R '00
2:00.204 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 '90
2:00.082 - TVR Griffith 500 '94
1:59.676 - Nissan 350Z '03
1:59.400 - TVR Cerbera Speed Six '97
1:59.121 - Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A '02
1:58.834 - BMW M3 '04
1:58.402 - RUF 3400S '00
1:58.250 - Lotus Esprit V8 '02
1:57.536 - Honda NSX-R '02

SUPERCAR SERIES
1:50.698 - Ford GT
1:50.748 - Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
1:51.031 - Nissan R390 GT1 Road Car*
1:51.857 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
1:53.080 - Saleen S7
1:53.555 - Jaguar XJ220
1:54.361 - Nissan GT-R '07*
1:54.956 - BMW M5
1:55.394 - Dodge Viper SRT-10
1:56.432 - Cizeta V16T '94
1:56.476 - RUF CTR Yellowbird '87
1:56.995 - Chevrolet Corvette Z06
1:57.141 - Aston Martin Vanquish
1:57.178 - Mercedes SL55 AMG
1:57.374 - Aston Martin DB9
1:57.463 - Dodge Viper GTS '99
1:5 - Mercedes SL65 AMG
1:59.040 - Jaguar XKR R-Performance '02
1:59.538 - RUF CTR2



Opera Paris Results:

235 SERIES
1:36.337 - Lotus Elise 111R '04
1:39.852 - Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87
1:41.347 - Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z '88
1:42.174 - Mercedes 190 E 2.5 '91
1:42.249 - Mazda RX-7 GT-X '90
1:42.540 - Nissan Skyline GTS-T '89
1:42.618 - Nissan Fairlady Z 300zx '83
1:43.235 - Nissan Silvia K's '91


270 SERIES
1:37.134 - Clio Renault Sport 24v '00
1:38.804 - Mazda RX-7 Type RZ '93
1:38.999 - Toyota MR2 GT-S '97
1:39.202 - Honda S2000 '99
1:39.275 - Nissan Silvia Spec R Aero '99
1:39.965 - TVR V8S '91
1:41.019 - Subaru Impreza WRX STI '94
1:41.261 - Audi S4 '98
1:42.178 - Mitsubishi Lancer EVO III GSR '95

Unlimited Series 380
1:40.363 - Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 '98
1:39.159 - Toyota Supra RZ '97
1:39.120 - Chevrolet Camaro SS '00
1:39.039 - Nissan 300ZX 2seater '89
1:38.876 - Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 '97
1:38.407 - Ford Mustang GT '05
1:38.291 - NissanSkyline GT-R Vspec '95
1:38.025 - Audi S4 '03
1:37.547 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 '90
1:37.211 - Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 8 RS
1:37.136 - Pontiac GTO 5.7 '04
1:36.974 - TVR Griffith 500 '94
1:36.679 - Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport '96
1:36.581 - Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
1:36.549 - Nissan Skyline GT-R '00
1:36.033 - Subaru Impreza STI Spec C
1:35.886 - Nissan 350Z '03
1:35.561 - BMW M3 '04
1:35.316 - TVR Cerbera Speed Six '97
1:35.131 - Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A '02
1:34.936 - RUF 3400S '00
1:34.250 - Lotus Esprit V8 '02
1:33.976 - Honda NSX-R '02



Series 235 - Final Thoughts
The Lotus' proved untouchable here, even the not-so-light, not-all-powerful Esprit '87, simply dominated the rest of the field.

Elise: Overcome's large power disadvantage, with low weight, destroying the field, despite lagging like a jet airliner on Opera, ran faster than anything in the Series 270!
Esprit: Oversteered it's way through every corner, sliding faster than anything non-lotus could dream of.
IROC-Z: Massive torque pulled it out of the tighest corners on Opera, letting it cleanly best the Merc by nearly a full second!
Mercedes: Loud and obnoxious, with only 4 NA cylinders, it bested it's new rival, the IROC, on the 'Cap.
Skyline: Understeered precisely to stay in front of all it's Japanese brethren, on the 'Cap, but Understeer killed it's chances in Paris
RX-7: So close, but still so far. What it lost to the Skyline at the 'Cap, it nearly gained back in France. Awesome drifter though.
Fairlady 300ZX: Sloppy as hell on the 'Cap, gained some respect back in the tight curves of Opera.
Silvia: Bounded gracefully at El 'Capo, but couldnt find any tire grip pulling out of the slow turns in Paris, slaughtered out of every curve.

Series 270 - Final Thoughts
Clio: Absolute Domination,this car's first lap was faster than any other car's best lap, at the "Cap. V-6 has amazing pull from low-mid, and keeps it high, boasting superior handling over everything in it's class. even the S2000
RX-7:Tried hard, did good, just not quite good enough, troubled by massive oversteer, just didnt have the pull out of corners the Clio did. Very good 2nd
S2000: Graceful, it is. Torquey, it is not. needed 1st coming out of 2 turns at Opera, shifted to slow to keep up, never had a chance. Solid 2nd at the 'Cap
MR-2: Oversteering manic, takes a kamikazee effort to hotlap it, but when it's good, it's good. Surprising torque for what it is, worked out in it's best interest.
Silvia: Neutral, and smooth, ran very consistently, just not enough, of everything to keep up. except go-paddle, that worked very well.
TVR: Light, and quick, doesnt have something though, cause it wouldnt go fast enough, anywhere. easy drive though.
WRX: Whooped the other AWD's, especially at the 'Cap, slaughtered them with brute speed, and quickness out of the holes.
Audi: To heavy for El Capitan, but it's torque and smoothness nearly gave it time back home in Europe
EVO: Very dissapointing, couldnt turn to save it's life (or mine) at Capitan, But saved face (sorta) at Opera, with nice pull out of slow corners.
 
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SUPERCAR SERIES
Ford GT
Saleen S7
Mercedes SLR McLaren
Pagani Zonda C12S 7.3
Dodge Viper SRT-10
Chevrolet Corvette Z06
Aston Martin Vanquish
BMW M5
Mercedes SL55 AMG
Cizeta V16T '94
Spyker C8 Laviolette
Nissan Skyline GT-R*
Jaguar XJ220

* - It's concept dream has been realized,👍 so it is included.

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The GTR (including the concept) isn't called Skyline anymore.

How about including the Mines Skyline GTR as that was a production car?
 
how many were produced?

Updated. 235 Series & 270 Series complete.
Added RUF CTR Yellowbird, RUF CTR2, Viper GTS '99, Jaguar XKR, Aston Martin Vanquish, and may add Mines Skyline GT-R.
 
There are'nt any FPV's with under 270 or 235 Bhp, and I would'nt class them as supercars either.

I have'nt ignored the Aussie cars anyway, I made a comparison with a Holden in. (Suppose it was a request......)
 
Very nice writeup , the Lotus Elise and Clio V6 rule ! :)

But maybe you can include the very cool (and fastest production car of it's era if I'm not mistaking ) Lotus Carlton , with it's 3.6 Biturbo engine producing 377BHP(after an oil change I guess) , it would be a nice contender in the -380BHP series ?! 👍
 
I petition removing the Esprit V8 '02 from the unlimited class (because it will slaughter everything there) and replacing it with the Esprit Sport 350 in the supercar class (where it will probably finish mid-pack). Also I petition for a '98 300ZX to be swapped in for the '89.
 
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There are'nt any FPV's with under 270 or 235 Bhp, and I would'nt class them as supercars either.
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But they'd fit the unlimited or supercar class, and they'll whip the included Pontiac GTO in to submission.
 
I appreciate the ideas, and comments, and have posted reasons below for missings, and/or possible inclusions.

New job, has forced me into less GT time, so this will be delayed, should have 380 SERIES up soon though, and then the Supercars a week or 2 later.

A. The Holdens couldnt keep up with the GTO at the 'Ring, so they were left behind. why they couldnt keep up, I do not know.
B. The Esprit only beat the NSX by 1 second at the 'Ring, and should make for just about the NSX's only competition.
HINT: NSX is in lead so far @ new tracks too.
C. The '98 300ZX is slower than the '89, due to carrying extra weight, it lost 5 seconds to it's older brethren, and as such, was not included.
D. As of now, I havent ran into a Carlton yet. will check into it.
 
Another, different though:
An amazing leaderboard with all of the times of all of the tests in order from fastest to slowest?
 
Toronado
Another, different though:
An amazing leaderboard with all of the times of all of the tests in order from fastest to slowest?
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Sounds like a pretty good idea.
I'm Debating putting all the Supercar tests I want to do in another thread as well, don't want to make the thread too large, and have things overlooked...
I am gonna make a board with all my Nurburgring times, fairly soon, but I'll probabley make it all hotlaps, and slowly do every car in the game.

Updated with 380 Series El Capitan Results, Opera coming at weekend hopefully:tup:
 
Supercar Series El Capitan Results are in, minus Merc SL65, which will be up soon.

Final thoughts on 380 Series coming this weekend.

oh jeez, triple post.
 
Hey keep up the good work, it is very interesting. BTW which tires are you using? Also I assume arcade mode, time trial with default weight and power right?
 

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