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FuriousDemon
Honestly, if we could make all southern states into a new country "Trumpland" and send all the other MAGAts there, if they want, I'm sure everyone will be happy, except maybe Trumplandians not for long, once their money runs out cause they are pretty much useless.
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As a Southerner - who has lived his whole life in the South - there are a large number of us here that would NOT enjoy this. Yes, Trump carries Southern states like James Harden does a basketball but please don't think that means everyone here agrees with him. There are many reasons why but the situation is not nearly as hopeless as some seem to think. Even in large Southern cities there is a lively spirit of dissent - just look at who drove the nation to embrace civil rights! - so we all need to remember as dark as this time is, there is opposition and hope. Rebellions are built on hope, to quote the late great (spoiler alert!!!) Cassian Andor.
 
TheUnrestCure
As a Southerner - who has lived his whole life in the South - there are a large number of us here that would NOT enjoy this. Yes, Trump carries Southern states like James Harden does a basketball but please don't think that means everyone here agrees with him. There are many reasons why but the situation is not nearly as hopeless as some seem to think. Even in large Southern cities there is a lively spirit of dissent - just look at who drove the nation to embrace civil rights! - so we all need to remember as dark as this time is, there is opposition and hope. Rebellions are built on hope, to quote the late great (spoiler alert!!!) Cassian Andor.
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We don't need to get rid of all of you. But I think some cuts are going to be needed. Like... Texas... for example. I'm pretty sure Texas needs to go.
 
Danoff
We don't need to get rid of all of you. But I think some cuts are going to be needed. Like... Texas... for example. I'm pretty sure Texas needs to go.
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If y'all could also find a southern state that has a low population, we'd like to send the population of Alberta (Canada's Texas) down. If you could also find some space around Louisiana, pretty sure the Quebecois would also like to leave Canada.
 
Zero2Oblivion
If y'all could also find a southern state that has a low population, we'd like to send the population of Alberta (Canada's Texas) down. If you could also find some space around Louisiana, pretty sure the Quebecois would also like to leave Canada.
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I mean, Texas probably would be the best place for Albertans.

I doubt most of Louisiana will take Quebecois (and the parts that will likely will be part of the Gulf of Mexico America soon).
 
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Danoff
We don't need to get rid of all of you. But I think some cuts are going to be needed. Like... Texas... for example. I'm pretty sure Texas needs to go.
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No sense in giving them all of Texas, there's still useful stuff in there. We'll just trim off the bottom part that nobody really thinks about and they can do whatever they want... that's why they wanted that wall there, right?

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I didn't give them El Paso because I figured the average Trumpkin wouldn't want to share borders with TWO Mexicos.
 
EngieDiesel
No sense in giving them all of Texas, there's still useful stuff in there. We'll just trim off the bottom part that nobody really thinks about and they can do whatever they want... that's why they wanted that wall there, right?

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I didn't give them El Paso because I figured the average Trumpkin wouldn't want to share borders with TWO Mexicos.
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They should keep El Paso and Odessa. Austin is lamentable, but Houston and Galveston should go as well. Maybe your map should just be extended to show giving them Louisiana. We could extend a straight line from the bottom of new mexico to the east, cutting off most of Texas but keeping Ft Worth and Dallas I guess. I dunno. I kinda think the whole thing should go. There's not much worth keeping in Oklahoma or Louisiana, so I could see giving them all three states. We'll call it the Louisiana Refund.
 
Danoff
We don't need to get rid of all of you. But I think some cuts are going to be needed. Like... Texas... for example. I'm pretty sure Texas needs to go.
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Cutting Texas loose is more surgically precise than firing probationary employees I'm thinking.
 
Just accepting a $400m gift from the country that hosts the Hamas leadership.
 
McLaren
Guy who told children should just settle for having 2 dolls isn't content with settling for 2 jumbo jets made solely for his position.
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To be fair, when he flees the USA to Russia and the Jet is impounded and used to payback the people who have sued him it will be a great asset then.
 
Zero2Oblivion
If you could also find some space around Louisiana, pretty sure the Quebecois would also like to leave Canada.
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Yeah we tried that 30 years ago, didn't work. That separatist crowd has mostly gone silent since then, I find. A lot of them died of old age too, which kinda helps the matter.
 
EngieDiesel
I didn't give them El Paso because I figured the average Trumpkin wouldn't want to share borders with TWO Mexicos.
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Here in Germany, there are a handful of people who cant differentiate their rights from their hard-rights.
They would fit in quite nicely into Maga-Kingdom, and they wouldnt even notice a difference.
No one understands them anyway.
 
Soooo, no ships headed to California from China ay?
I might have to DEI Trump to replace the Dumb Donald from the Cosby Kids.
 
Just more of their trying to flip the "look the other way while I break your good leg. No worries, I'll patch you right up, better than it was before.". :rolleyes:
 
Blitz24
I mean, Texas probably would be the best place for Albertans.

I doubt most of Louisiana will take Quebecois (and the parts that will likely will be part of the Gulf of Mexico America soon).
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Even as an Albertan I wouldn't wanna go to Texas. I heard there's freaks like Alex Jones down there.

PS I don't support Trump or Musk the slightest. They actually grind my gear really bad.
 
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Seriously, no one is going click this guy because… things are running so smoothly for the wealthy with Dumold’s face in front of the camera.
When shelves are empty, he’ll toss paper towels and maybe a roll of toilet paper, out the window from that plane.
 
Northstar
Trump's new plane is going to have more bugs than Asmongold stream.

abcnews.go.com

Trump administration poised to accept 'palace in the sky' as a gift for Trump from Qatar: Sources

President Trump poised to accept "palace in the sky" as a gift from Qatar: Sources
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Sprite
To be fair, when he flees the USA to Russia and the Jet is impounded and used to payback the people who have sued him it will be a great asset then.
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Unfortunately none of this will happen in 2025 but don't worry, he won't claim this gift on his taxes, either.

It's all good, a massive aircraft totally won't be loaded to the gills with anything another foreign entity could possibly use against us, because why would anyone want to do anything manipulative with our morally incorruptible leader and his hand-picked batch of outstanding checkbook-waving citizens?
 
Hate to be the party-pooper, but there's a difference between gifting to a politician as an individual, and gifting to a politician in their role.

If the plane were a direct gift to Trump, that he could continue to use for the rest of his life, there would be a problem as that is a gift to him directly which has monetary value.

As the plane is a gift "to the President of the United States" that, once Trump has completed his term, will go into the Presidential museum, it has no monetary value to Trump.

All the gift of the plane actually means is that he'll get to fly in a (maybe slightly more) luxurious plane until his term is up. Could that sway any decisions he makes? Maybe. But as Trump himself doesn't gain beyond having a nicer plane for a few years, it's legal.
 
Zero2Oblivion
Hate to be the party-pooper, but there's a difference between gifting to a politician as an individual, and gifting to a politician in their role.

If the plane were a direct gift to Trump, that he could continue to use for the rest of his life, there would be a problem as that is a gift to him directly which has monetary value.

As the plane is a gift "to the President of the United States" that, once Trump has completed his term, will go into the Presidential museum, it has no monetary value to Trump.

All the gift of the plane actually means is that he'll get to fly in a (maybe slightly more) luxurious plane until his term is up. Could that sway any decisions he makes? Maybe. But as Trump himself doesn't gain beyond having a nicer plane for a few years, it's legal.
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That's not what's being reported.
The plane would then be donated to President Trump’s presidential library when he leaves office, two senior officials said. Such a gift raises the possibility that Mr. Trump would have use of the plane even after his presidency ends.
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As other experts have noted, this plane is being presented as a gift to the United States as a whole b/c the Department of Defense is accepting it. Except, then it'll be "decommissioned" and given to Trump's Presidential Library. That's not a gift to the United States, and it's another expensive asset tax payers will have to fund for retrofitting and maintaining it in addition to our other two VC-25As when those 2 are perfectly operational.

Then there's this bit of the Constitution many people, including Congress officials, are citing.

Section 9 Powers Denied Congress​

  • Clause 8 Titles of Nobility and Foreign Emoluments
  • No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
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Edit* If one really needs any more understanding that this is not a sincere gift, remember this is coming 2 weeks after Trump's company announced a $5.5 billion golf course in Qatar. The developer, Qatari Diar, is owned by the government. Bondi herself, was a paid lobbyist for Qatar, so there's definitely no sign of conflict there validating this "gift".
 
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A gift for one specific president to use and then be transferred to the control of that specific president's library foundation, after which that former president could use it as he wished as he would control the foundation.

Seems pretty bribe-ish to me.
 
Zero2Oblivion
Hate to be the party-pooper, but there's a difference between gifting to a politician as an individual, and gifting to a politician in their role.

If the plane were a direct gift to Trump, that he could continue to use for the rest of his life, there would be a problem as that is a gift to him directly which has monetary value.

As the plane is a gift "to the President of the United States" that, once Trump has completed his term, will go into the Presidential museum, it has no monetary value to Trump.

All the gift of the plane actually means is that he'll get to fly in a (maybe slightly more) luxurious plane until his term is up. Could that sway any decisions he makes? Maybe. But as Trump himself doesn't gain beyond having a nicer plane for a few years, it's legal.
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With a gift of this value one should already question the motive of the gifting party, this isn't a nice sword or a horse, this is a friggin' plane. But let's forget about all that and concentrate on something else: this plane shall be Air Force One. I can't imagine any SANE USAF or USSS employee who doesn't see this as a yuge (© DJT) issue. Unless they take apart the plane to the last screw and rivet - and even then - there's zero guarantee that there wouldn't be any listening devices. Trump is so effing dumb that it literally hurts... (of course, the DoD under Hegseth said it's fine but Hegseth is braindead idiot, so that doesn't count as an endorsement)
 

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