American cars vs. Japanese cars

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Hello, GT Planet.

I figured I'd tackle a usually debated story in the world of America's automotive public.

The question I'd like to ask is "why are Japanese cars so overrated and stereotyped in American auto culture?" I don't drive (except Gran Turismo), but time and time again, I hear so much criticism over Japanese cars. I'm not taking any sides, but I've grown to love Japanese cars because of the cool factor they produce. I even respect their ability to provide great handling characteristics despite the criticism. Among fans of Detroit muscle, "Japanese cars are not 5.0s." I think Japanese cars may not have 277hp or more (especially those in Japan), but what they lack in horsepower, they make up for in weight and handling.


Pick your side in the next two paragraphs as I try to emulate what a person WOULD say about the respective cars:


(American Cars) American cars have such a cool factor that actually is cool to drive. The best way to know that you represent the best of American muscle is to drive a potent V6 or a powerful V8 motor. "Honda Civic? Toyota Celica? Mitsubishi Eclipse? Here are some REAL cars: Chevy Camaro. Chevy Corvette. Dodge Viper. Ford Mustang. You can keep that Japanese jalopy of yours."

"You see, American cars are horsepower cars. And when it comes to sporty compacts, we do it much better and much more durable than those Hondas. All they know how to do is to make a Sunday driver uglier than it is. My girlfriend/boyfriend rides a muscle car. Let them talk about our car weight, our high horsepower, let them talk. You just bring your 'Fast and Furious' reject to the 1/4 mile, and we'll see who's better. It's all about V8s, forget Japan's cars."


(Japanese cars) Japanese cars are fun to drive, even if they don't have a 351 Windsor under the hood. A Japanese car is pretty nimble with exceptional handling that makes up what American cars lack in weight. As they cost less than domestic cars, they also have the tendency to be highly accessible and customizable to reflect the personality of the driver. For example, a young man into techno and hip-hop can reflect that with a stylish body kit and street-legal showoffs. A flirty girl can paint her car to reflect how sugar-sweet she can be. Her car and the way she customizes it is a reflection of her personality. These people tend to believe that Japanese cars are a better way to express yourself, even for those with American sport compacts.

"I love my Honda. You know, Civic, Element, S2000, and even the awesome NSX (all $90,000 of it). I heard the criticism all too many times. The fact remains that my car, despite lacking horsepower (until I upgrade my car with turbos and carbon fiber bodywork), surely DOESN'T lack a cool factor. Just because my car doesn't have the ability to rule Daytona or the strip at Pomona doesn't mean that I can't still have a CAR to work with. You American car lovers obviously forget that we have cars, not rocketships, for daily drivers and show machines. And by the way, how does it feel to have a Mustang get beat by an Impreza STi (recently Hot Rod magazine)? Criticize us carefully in the future, because we can and WILL make you eat your words!"


As you can tell, this issue is as much as a rivalry like Army/Navy, Ohio State/Michigan, Florida/Florida State, or USC/UCLA in college football. Of course, there is still Camaro/Mustang among American car lovers. I guess Supra/Skyline is a Japanese car rivalry. So where do you stand?

Questions you can answer are:

- Why are Japanese cars so overrated?
- Why do American cars rule Japanese?
- Of American and Japanese cars, which is better for me?
- Why are American car sales declining and Japanese are doing better?

So many questions. You can make your own and look for answers. This is an open topic about American and Japanese cars in which you are free to talk about. Go ahead and post them replies!
 
Originally posted by JohnBM01
cool factor

That is probably the last thing I look for in a car. I dont want to drive a car just because other people consider them "da shizness da bizness". In fact, a "cool" car as defined by pimply teenage "motorheads" would probably sway me away from such a purchase.

Why are Japanese cars so overrated?

Who says they are overrated. The Skyline, NSX, S2000 and Supra are icons of 90's sports cars.

Why do American cars rule Japanese?

Rule how. Certainly not in sales or economy. A misconception born in the 60's which should have died in the 60's.

Of American and Japanese cars, which is better for me?

Personal taste. Those that have, stay away from old technology 70's American cars.

Why are American car sales declining and Japanese are doing better?

The Japanese can built cheaper, more efficient and in most cases better looking mainstream family cars.
 
One of the key points to Japanese car sales rising is the quality of their craftmanship

for my family, we were shopping for a minivan (I got large family)....my parents were choosing between ford windstar, chrysler voyager, and honda odyssey......in the end, they chose odyssey...we had quite a few experiences wtih poor marksmenship in the car mechanics, resulting in failures

I know minivans aren't the main focus of this thread, but I find that the results here are somewhat related

generally speaking (from what I know...I'm amateur), american cars seem to have good power, while japanese cars have good agility. and the whole argument builds from there....

the Japanese cars are also more innovative...instead of using mechanics to add physical power, they use technology to increase the power of the car without sacrificing other things like fuel economy, curb weight, etc etc (turbo kits, VTEC, etc).

actually, I'm not sure...who were the first to use turbos?
 
Originally posted by codered_59
actually, I'm not sure...who were the first to use turbos?

In roadcars, I think it was either Renault or Porche.

Mmm Renault 5 turbo.
 
When one thinks of an import car. The first thing that comes to their mind is a 130 hp Civic or Integra. What about the real Import cars. Porsche, Skyline, EVO, STi, Supra, RX-7, sorry if I forget to name a few. But in my oppinion, those cars can dust any "new era production" american cars.
 
Why are American car sales declining and Japanese are doing better?


Maybe consumers are aware that issues like fuel consumption, technology, handling(subjective), quality, reliability, price...........etc affect them.

So if japanese cars can fulfill all the aspects that consumers want, then they would go for it.

IMO, American cars got to change and they are not going to last(big engine low tech type). Why?

Because it is a waste of resources. Why use more fuel when you can save?

Imagine, a 8 liter engine that gulps fuel producing 500hp. One may argue that after mods, it produces more. But then it will consume more fuel won't it?

Then take a 2 liter engine that produces 240hp. Theoratically when enlarged to 8 liters is capable to produce 960hp. Thats 460hp of difference. Cut that figure by 300hp and it still got 660hp.

And, American cars(old tech muscle) is for america only. Because no one will buy them courtesy of their high fuel costs. You know what, a viper on Malaysian roads will need like over 10K malaysian dollar a year in road tax.(1 us dollar is 3.8 malaysian dollar)
 
Wow, another one of these threads..
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Why are Japanese cars so overrated?
As far as I can see, Japanese cars are not overrated at all. They deserve the reputation they have earned due to excellent craftsmanship, outstanding reliability, and good fuel mileage. And that's just for their regular everyday cars such as Civics, Accords, Pathfinders, etc. But Japanese performance cars I feel are a bit underrated by many people, since they say that their engines are too small. Yes, their engines are normally quite small, but that means the Japanese engineers are more skilled than the Americans who like to cram the biggest engines possible into a car. I'll put a souped up Evo's straight four vs. a Mustang Cobra's V8 any day!

I know what I just said may sound like I don't like American cars, but I do like many of their performance cars, I just think their day to day cars nowadays are just way behind the Japanese in almost every aspect. I've heard of many reliability problems with GM and Ford from people I know, but I've never heard of any complaints from Honda or Nissan owners.
 
Originally posted by Ev0
As far as I can see, Japanese cars are not overrated at all. They deserve the reputation they have earned due to excellent craftsmanship, outstanding reliability, and good fuel mileage. And that's just for their regular everyday cars such as Civics, Accords, Pathfinders, etc. But Japanese performance cars I feel are a bit underrated by many people, since they say that their engines are too small. Yes, their engines are normally quite small, but that means the Japanese engineers are more skilled than the Americans who like to cram the biggest engines possible into a car. I'll put a souped up Evo's straight four vs. a Mustang Cobra's V8 any day!

I know what I just said may sound like I don't like American cars, but I do like many of their performance cars, I just think their day to day cars nowadays are just way behind the Japanese in almost every aspect. I've heard of many reliability problems with GM and Ford from people I know, but I've never heard of any complaints from Honda or Nissan owners.


I agree with the tech thing. Reliability can't comment because I don't live in the US and don't get American cars here.
 
Originally posted by Mike Rotch
Your avatar gives me vertigo :sick:

Lay off the drugs.

There is very little to say in this thread concerning the topic that hasn't already been said a million times before.

Or that hasn't been said by kids speaking from inexperience like ShobThaBob.
 
Lay off the drug is? Oh, you meant lay off the drugs.

There is very little to say in this thread concerning the topic that hasn't already been said a million times before.
 
Originally posted by Monster7
Anyone not like the color? Should I get different rims also? :lol:

Well it just seems stupid to use a picture of a car you like the looks of and then distort it until it looks like a bumper car.
 
This is a good topic for me, i like to hear arguments between American cars and Japanese cars, i really like the looks of Japanese cars, they look nice and can go fast.

An ant is like Honda engine, they are small, but they are capable of carrying heavy stuff.
 
Originally posted by codered_59


actually, I'm not sure...who were the first to use turbos?


The first passenger cars fitted with turbochargers were the Chevrolet Corvair Monza, which had a turbocharged 2.4L boxer-6 in 1962, and the Oldsmobile Jetfire of the same year, which had a turbocharged 3.5L all-aluminum V8.

Porsche did not begin using turbochargers until 1975, and Renault's 5 Turbo did not debut until 1980.

Of all the auto manufacturers in the world Chrysler has sold more turbocharger-equipped vehicles.
 
all this just depends one a person's likes. most o fthese comparissons are based on racing. if u ask an average person what they like( japanese or domestic) they say as long as it lasts and has good gas mileage. lots of people argue about this because some of em are jsut cocky street racers.(<< no offense)

just sayin people.
 
Originally posted by Mike Rotch
Of American and Japanese cars, which is better for me?
Personal taste. Those that have, stay away from old technology 70's American cars.

Well I guess I lack taste then because I'd rather have a 60s/70s muscle car than an import. Whatever dude. 👎
 
Originally posted by DSchwenn


Well I guess I lack taste then because I'd rather have a 60s/70s muscle car than an import. Whatever dude. 👎



Thats strange, I dont remember referring to muscle cars....

Nice muscle car, "dude".
 
When well you guys ever learn that you are never going to persuade someone to like the same type of cars you do. Because you know that they are just as hard headed as you...for example

If you were to say all these specs. and great things about imports you think the muscle car guys is going to care...NO

WHY...BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BIAS!!!

This is so dumb let people like whatever they want!:banghead:
 
Originally posted by Mike Rotch
Thats strange, I dont remember referring to muscle cars....

Nice muscle car, "dude".

You said "Those that have, stay away from old technology 70's American cars." Well, let's see, there were muscle cars in the 70s, and before the 70s, and they were all pretty much the same technologically speeking as the car in the pic you posted. So by saying "old technology 70's American cars," this would include muscle cars.
 
Originally posted by DSchwenn
You said "Those that have, stay away from old technology 70's American cars." Well, let's see, there were muscle cars in the 70s, and before the 70s, and they were all pretty much the same technologically speeking as the car in the pic you posted. So by saying "old technology 70's American cars," this would include muscle cars.

Thank you for letting me know what I meant to say. Why waste time on forums when you could in engage a meaningful political career.
 
I kind of came up with this thread on the basis of American car lovers who like making fun of Japanese cars. I even came from an AOL chat that had people ridicule and offend Asian people.

As I know, a type of car from some other country is much different. A Mercedes-Benz is different from a Toyota. A Toyota is different from a Renault. And a Renault is different from Ford. A Ford is even different from a Daihatsu.

So don't think I came up with this topic to make fun of a certain make of car. I just wanted to see how GT Planet is with this topic. I know that there are people out there who would rather drive/race/recommend to others/own a Japanese car than a ground-pounding V8 beast. I know there are people out there who would rather drive/race/recommend to others/own an American car than a small, nimble, and highly capable Japanese car.

The "overrated" thing comes from all the "Fast and Furious," "rice rocket," and other stereotypes of the like. In any event, I'm trying to stay neutral. Because even though I came up with this topic and I have a voice of my own, I just wanted to know what you think, so I'm neutral.

Well, there you go, folks. "See yahs again, huh!" (Mr. Higsby from "MegaMan: Network Transmission" (GameCube))
 
Originally posted by Mike Rotch
Thank you for letting me know what I meant to say. Why waste time on forums when you could in engage a meaningful political career.
Hmm...maybe I'll look into that. :rolleyes: As far as your unedited post is concerned, for some reason I don't remember calling muscle cars technological wonder cars. And you seem to insist that you were referring exclusively to mainstream cars then why don't you enlighten me as to what the big technological difference between mainstream cars and muscle cars is other than the fact that muscle cars were more performance oriented. Seems to me that both would be "old technology 70's American cars."
 
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