Any cars that handle well straight out of the box?

[Berserker26]

Hi all, just wondering....

If i buy an old nissan or mazda or soemthing I have to upgrade and fiddle with it to get it to handle well at all....but say i bought a BMW M3, which in real life is a far superior car and a far better handling car, why should i have to buy the racing springs/breaks etc for it to handle well?


So my question is this - are their any cars (stock/road cars...no race cars or race modified prizes) that come out handling like a dream, one would think something like the Mercedes SLR or the AM - Vanquish would....but do they?

 

[Rogue Ssv]

It is?

Well the best handling car Ive driven (not that ive driven more than 10 cars, as I dont have GT4) is the BMW 1 series.
Crashed in every other car I drove, did a blazing, drifting, perfect lap in the 1.

 

[rualeb]

I love the way all the modern lotus cars feel, i also enjoy the precision you are able to drive with in the Caterham 7.
if you had to choose one of the two above go for the caterham for just driving around, however you cant use it in any races, so go for the lotus. now these are for super turn tracks, like many city tracks where there are sharp turns after only short straights, or the ring. for those where you have longer straight aways go for the more popular performance cars such as the BMWs, Audis and many other european car brands. in my gaming experience US cars (like irl) arent worth **** on the turns.

 

[Master_Yoda]

Hi all, just wondering....

If i buy an old nissan or mazda or soemthing I have to upgrade and fiddle with it to get it to handle well at all....but say i bought a BMW M3, which in real life is a far superior car and a far better handling car, why should i have to buy the racing springs/breaks etc for it to handle well?


So my question is this - are their any cars (stock/road cars...no race cars or race modified prizes) that come out handling like a dream, one would think something like the Mercedes SLR or the AM - Vanquish would....but do they?

I find the SLR a heavy car... same with the Vanquish, if your going to get a Aston Martin, get a DB9...


Old Nissans, and Mazdas don't handle well?? Shows how much you know. Grab a Maxda RX-7, give it a oil change, take it to Infineon... And i'll lap a M3.. O and far surpior car? Pfft... I've seen old Datsons make mince meat of M3's.


P.S. Your sig doesn't pass the AUP... It's 6 lines max.. not 7.

 

[Rogue Ssv]

And the R32 GTR is 0wn4g3 on wheels.

The M3 understeers.

RX7 is pure 0wn4g3 on wheels, with a little bit less power.

 

[Razzbar]

Most cars handle better straight out of the box than they do after I've "tuned" them...

Serously, the Audi Novulari Quattro blew my mind straight out of the box.

Lots of cars handle great out of the box. I'm beginning to think I've been too quick to "max mod" cars without giving them a -good- driving test first.

IMHO, unless there's a specific, defineable handling issue with a car and you know how to resolve it, it's better to leave the alone and just get a feel for it. It's unproductive to drive a few laps, then experiment to see if it handles better after trying some random adjustment. Get to know the car well before you even try to tune it.

 

[rualeb]

agreed, neither my fgt or toyota minolta could win in the like the wind race. i just ran a stock audi r8 with a turbo and it won with ease

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

agreed, neither my fgt or toyota minolta could win in the like the wind race. i just ran a stock audi r8 with a turbo and it won with ease

Then you've never heard about "set-ups"


A 1226 HP 88C-V will blow a 1100 HP R8, you just have to set-up the car.

 

[rualeb]

true, but it was easier for me to go the r8 way.
for some reason with the fgt i always ended up with the toyota 7 which i couldnt beat no matter what tunings i tried (not very good at tuning maybe)
also the r8 spanked them

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

true, but it was easier for me to go the r8 way.
for some reason with the fgt i always ended up with the toyota 7 which i couldnt beat no matter what tunings i tried (not very good at tuning maybe)
also the r8 spanked them

By FGT, do you mean the F1 car?

That's quite the most idiotic car you can use on the Test Course, it's nearly impossible to keep it going in s amooth line through those big lefts.


BTW: The AI cars never go faster than 370 km/h, with the 88C-V you just have to lower the downforce and highten then right height followe by lenghten the gears and you well over 400 km/h 👍

 

[RenesisEvo]

The Amuse S2000's in their various guises handle very well with no change to set-up, especially the R1; equally Lotus Elises/Esprit, the BMW M3 GTR Race Car - I find the road car needs a bit of work to get the best out of it. I tend to get racing suspension for almost all the cars I race seriously with, so I can't really say too much beyond those I've mentioned.

 

[chinny]

The most fiddling I do to a cars set up is take the driving aids off or set them very low. For modern cars that really do come with TCS I'll set it to about two, otherwise it gets turned off. I always turn the overteer asm off although sometimes i'll leave the understeer one one low for twitchy cars around the ring.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

The M3 understeers.

It oversteers, quite a lot, actually. It can be one of the more challanging stock vehicles to keep in a straight-line on the "Ring.

Great Handling car?
Try these:
Vette Z06
Newer RX-7's
Newer Skyline's
01 Civic Type R EP - or 04
S2000
NSX
M3 CSL & GTR
Peugeot 206 S16 '99

As for modifying cars, I'd highly reccomend a simple Sports suspension, 99 times out of 100 it handles just as well as a racing suspension - try it.

Old Nissans, and Mazdas don't handle well?? Shows how much you know. Grab a Maxda RX-7, give it a oil change, take it to Infineon... And i'll lap a M3.. O and far surpior car? Pfft... I've seen old Datsons make mince meat of M3's.

you must be talking about a newer one, right? and they still likely won't top the M3...let alone any Nissan that isnt a newer (R33 & R34) Skyline or 350Z (Z33).

 

[rualeb]

That's quite the most idiotic car you can use on the Test Course, it's nearly impossible to keep it going in s amooth line through those big lefts.

its really not hard...at all.

 

[_Ven]

NSX Type R

 

[Scaff]

And the R32 GTR is 0wn4g3 on wheels.

The M3 understeers.

RX7 is pure 0wn4g3 on wheels, with a little bit less power.

The M3 has initial understeer before a transfer to oversteer, great car out of the 'box' in my opinion.

BTW Rogue, Own4g3 is not a real word, you have been asked many, many times before to not use slang or text speak in your posts. Now please stop it.

Most cars handle better straight out of the box than they do after I've "tuned" them...

Serously, the Audi Novulari Quattro blew my mind straight out of the box.

Lots of cars handle great out of the box. I'm beginning to think I've been too quick to "max mod" cars without giving them a -good- driving test first.

IMHO, unless there's a specific, defineable handling issue with a car and you know how to resolve it, it's better to leave the alone and just get a feel for it. It's unproductive to drive a few laps, then experiment to see if it handles better after trying some random adjustment. Get to know the car well before you even try to tune it.

Quite agree with that, sound advice. Getting to know a car and how it handles is vital to the tuning process.

I would however say that almost any car can and will benifit from tuning, remember most road cars are optimised for the road (funny that) and you can do a lot to improve lap times without doing anything to the cars weight or power. As an example, when I wrote my GT4 tuning guides I included an BMW M3 set-up at the Grand Valley Speedway. By optimising the set-up here you can gain a good 5 to 6 seconds a lap, without a single power or weight modification.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Shadow Wulf 2k]

The Nissan 280Z handles like a dream. Also, the Mazda Miata's handle very well, too. In fact, I find that a lot of the low-to-mid horsepower range FR Japanese sports cars have good handling. On the other side of the ocean though, a Mustang GT with stiffened suspension, or the Corvette C5.R both handle very nicely, and easily have plenty of horsepower, especially if the C5.R is given an NA Stage 3 Tune!

 

[Razzbar]

Then you've never heard about "set-ups"


A 1226 HP 88C-V will blow a 1100 HP R8, you just have to set-up the car.

The subject of the thread says "straight out of the box", however. I would take that to mean without setups, -straight- out of the box, -before- doing any settings. It would simplify the discussion.

Audi Nuvolari Quattro was simply amazing on the Ring first drive. 👍

Always taste your food before salting it. 💡

 

[agent kri]

Nsx!!!

 

[DLRgian]

1997 Camaro Z28, I have no problem with it.

 

[OZZYGT]

Old Nissans, and Mazdas don't handle well?? Shows how much you know. Grab a Maxda RX-7, give it a oil change, take it to Infineon...

Yup. Also try the Nissan 350Z (Z33) and the M5. Audis are good also.


Caio...

 

[G.T]

Trying to remember my days playing GT4, the new BMW 3-series handled very, very well. It was very neutral in its handling and enjoyed driving it very much.

The other day, I found a Lotus Elise was a pretty good drive too. I was pretty shocked how much better it cornered than a M5!

 

[OZZYGT]

The other day, I found a Lotus Elise was a pretty good drive too. I was pretty shocked how much better it cornered than a M5!

yeah I forgot the Lotus Elise too, very good car....


Ciao...

 

[Tornado]

The subject of the thread says "straight out of the box", however. I would take that to mean without setups, -straight- out of the box, -before- doing any settings. It would simplify the discussion.

However, I would say that the Test Course doesn't require much in the way of handling.

you must be talking about a newer one, right? and they still likely won't top the M3...let alone any Nissan that isnt a newer (R33 & R34) Skyline or 350Z (Z33).

I'm quite sure a Z32 could also outhandle an M3 as well.
A car that is good out of the box? Corvette Grand Sport. A bit of understeer (too much considering the car), but not too much to prevent you from winning races.
Any Esprit has quite a good balance (the '02 is a little more tail happy than any of the other V8 ones though).
AW11 MR2 is quite good for the lower power races.
If you can master the RR drivetrain, you also open up the RUF RGT, BTR and the DeLorean up, which are all quite good handling cars, and the 3400S is a good car regardless.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

That's quite the most idiotic car you can use on the Test Course, it's nearly impossible to keep it going in s amooth line through those big lefts.

That's not the problem with FGT on Test Course. The real problem is it simply can't go as fast as LMPs in a straight line, it doesn't have the top speed for that.

 

[nightcreature84]

bmw's are good but a lotus is almost a sure bet right out of the box.

 

[samj_13]

Most cars handle better straight out of the box than they do after I've "tuned" them...

Serously, the Audi Novulari Quattro blew my mind straight out of the box.

Nuvolari =

Oh, and you might want to make some minor brake point changes when upgrading to an M3 from an 80's Japanese Sports coupe. If you want a sweet handling car, grab yourself a Lotus 111R or a BMW M5. Best weight transfer ever.

 

[Master_Yoda]

you must be talking about a newer one, right? and they still likely won't top the M3...let alone any Nissan that isnt a newer (R33 & R34) Skyline or 350Z (Z33).

M3's actually arn't the best handlers... And yes an old Datson or old 300ZX can easly handle just as well as any M3.. Maybe you just can't handle them.

 

[LeadSlead#2]

M3's actually arn't the best handlers... And yes an old Datson or old 300ZX can easly handle just as well as any M3.. Maybe you just can't handle them.

Thread - out-of-the-box.
You said these could beat it on Infineon... care to see?
I never said the M3 handles better - I said it would beat them, in response to your saying they would spank it in a lap at Infineon - Care to find out?

 

[UPLATE]

The best car out-of-the-box is hands down is the ruf rgt.