Are Red Bull using traction control?

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Everything starts with this video showing the accident between Mark Webber and Giedo Van der Garde at the Canadian Grand Prix. The RB9 leaves strange tyre mark traces on the tarmac while accelerating out of the corner, like if there was something controlling how the car puts the power on the ground.

Autosprint talks openly about two possible explanations to this phenomenon. The simplest one is that the Red Bull Racing cars are using electronic aids on their cars, but they also speculate with the possibility of vibrations in the suspension derived from the collision as the cause of this periodical skid marks. What do you think?
 
I think the fact that all F1 teams are forced to use a standard, controlled and sealed ECU, makes this highly unlikely.
 
No. If there were TC there would no tire marks at all. It would also happen more than once. It's more likely the tarmac wasn't level. Look at this picture:

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There are similar marks to the left of the car and I doubt the RB also made those.
 
Launch control is a one off use device, Webber wouldn't have been planning to stop the car at the hairpin in order to launch away. He would probably have engaged the paddle operated clutch though to avoid stalling the car.

It looks dubious, but I would expect it is down to a bumpy track rather than trickery.
 
I'm struggling to think how you could even do that on a flat piece of tarmac, traction control or otherwise.
 
Yes F1 uses a form of traction control but all teams have it.

It is HTC(Human Traction Control)
 
I really just think that it may have been an instability in the chassis that caused it, because, like it's been said before, if TC caused that, there would be more than just 2 streaks. I have a personal speculation, but i'm going to keep it to myself.
 
That looks pretty much like the results of the rear tires hopping on corner exit... either the tire pressures are too high or the rear suspension is too stiff or both. Nothing unusual there.
 
Also as with a lot of these internet questions/topics there is an easier way to work it out. If the other teams haven't said anything then it's nothing. You can be sure they've seen this clip as well or learnt about it and if they've said nothing about it then they obviously don't think it's TCS either.
 
Also as with a lot of these internet questions/topics there is an easier way to work it out. If the other teams haven't said anything then it's nothing. You can be sure they've seen this clip as well or learnt about it and if they've said nothing about it then they obviously don't think it's TCS either.
I get that, but I'd rather have some inside thoughts or comments of what it could be. Not one major newssite has picked up this item or mentioned it in any way. For once, we have an interesting rumor, yet major autosport news sites are posting 'news' such as "Driver A is looking forward to racing in Silverstone", "Driver B hopes to score podium finish", etc. Oh, and 20 posts about tires or the testing gate.
 
I get that, but I'd rather have some inside thoughts or comments of what it could be. Not one major newssite has picked up this item or mentioned it in any way. For once, we have an interesting rumor, yet major autosport news sites are posting 'news' such as "Driver A is looking forward to racing in Silverstone", "Driver B hopes to score podium finish", etc. Oh, and 20 posts about tires or the testing gate.

Doesn't that say it all? It's not picked up because it's not news, it's tabloid gossip material at best.
 
I don't get what is supposed to make it traction control. The on-off appearance of skidmarks? It just looks like axle hop to me.
 
If you've never driven a stiffly set-up car on R-Comps or even decently sticky tires, you'll never see it... but I've seen my share of stuttering tire tracks... that I've made myself without the benefit of traction control, on seemingly smooth tarmac. Can happen due to drivetrain oscillation, LSD settings, ultra-stiff tire carcasses... anything.

Same answer Scarbs gave here:
http://jalopnik.com/has-red-bull-figured-out-how-to-cheat-f1s-traction-con-514107361

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More to the point... if there is any possibility of it being traction control, the other teams would have raised bloody hell by now. And the evidence would be there, as all the ECUs are surrendered at the end of the race for scrutineering.

And the engine note would be an obvious giveaway. There is brake-based traction control, but that's impossible with the complete ban on ABS (and ABS is banned, too).

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If you want a poor man's traction control, you do it the McLaren way... have a second set of paddles under the paddle-shifters to alter engine maps on the fly. Flick down a few gears and a few engine maps at the same time, get a lower power map for less wheelspin on corner exit, and then flick up back to the max power map once you're straight.
 
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When has logic ever stopped a good conspiracy theory in the past? I'm sure Mr Greens mouth was watering when he saw this....
 
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