Beater or Sleeper? COTW Forza 7 Week:END The Ultimate Sleeper, The Holden Sandman! Thanks Everyone!!

So the scores on the board for the Auto Union are as follows.

@Vic Reign93 1:48.303
@pompeypigeon 1:49.767
@ClydeYellow 1:53.404
@Populuxe Cowboy 1:54.224
@AX201SD1 1:55.255

Not a easy car to extract 100% out of or to drive without it trying to kill you, Great driving by all. 👍

Congratulations @Populuxe Cowboy!!!

This weeks pick from yourself is an all italian affair, but it ain’t no Alpha.:P

It is..

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The 1980 Lancia #31 Lancia Corse Beta Montecarlo Turbo!!!
(See what I did there regarding Alpha? :sly:)

Built for Group 5 regulations, the Beta Montecarlo was very successful with 3 Manufacuter titles in the World Sportscar Championship, first one was in the under 2 litre class in 1979 and the other 2 titles in 1980 and 1981 were not only Class wins again, but overall championship victories against the over 2 litre class division. :bowdown:

Powered by a 1.4 litre Inline 4 Turbo, it’s cranking out 400hp in Forza and it’s sent to the rear tyres via a 5 speed gearbox.

Mid mounted in a lightweight 1,722lbs racer, you’ll be testing this thoroughbred out at Mugello Full Circuit for this week.

But wait, there’s more. ;)

You may have noticed a certain car was included for all today for free which also packs a heavily boosted 1.4 litre Inline 4.

Yep, step right up...

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The 1982 Ford #6 Zakspeed Roush Mustang IMSA GT!!!

Although heavier than the Beta at 1,943lbs, it’s got 130hp more at 530hp which is also sent to the rear via a 5 speed gearbox.

This ones an all American affair as you’ll be taking the Mustang around the full layout at Watkins Glen. 👍

IMSA GT V Group 5, 1.4 turbo 4 V 1.4 turbo 4, America V Italy.

Best of luck gentleman. :cheers:
 
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The Montecarlo is definitely a classic italian racer, rev happy engine going to 10k rpm, darty and agile. ;)

Definitely one for the tight and technical tracks thanks to its mid engined layout and low weight, while it’s the least powerful in its division (GT Racing Reborn) at 400hp, it is the lightest and not one to underestimate. 👍

Verdict: Sleeper 👍

And the second lightest in the same division...

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Both cars in stock form are the only ones under the 2000lbs mark, only the Mustang brings an extra 130hp to the table. :D

One thing to note is the boost threshold is quite high up the rev band so to keep it singing at full blast, you have to keep the revs up and even then you’ll still encounter some turbo lag when coming back on the throttle.

If you can master it, it can be a blast to drive, but of the two, I’d say the Montecarlo is more beginner friendly. (Well as about as beginner friendly a Gr 5 car can be.:lol:)

Verdict: Neutral
 
A showdown between two of my favorite racecars of all times, on two of my favorite tracks? How could I say no? As a matter of fact, why limit myself to lapping the Beta in Italy, and the Mustang in the US? Let's turn this into a full-blown head-to-head comparative test!



There are not many manufacturers that can claim a motorsport tradition as rich and varied as Lancia. You'd be excused, then, for not being familiar with the history of the gorgeous Group 5 Beta Montecarlo, a car that brought to Turin many victories in its three years of activity. By the end of the 1970s, the Stratos was starting to show the signs of its age, and thus Lancia set to work to find a suitable replacement, with both the World Rally Championship and sportscar racing in mind (where the wedge-shaped, Ferrari-powered car, bestowed with the dark magic of a single KKK turbocharger, collected a series of disappointing retirements). The Beta Montecarlo, which had been introduced to the Lancia lineup in 1975, seemed the most obvious choice: originally intended as a replacement for the Fiat 124 Sport, the Pininfarina-designed mid-engined sportscar was always destined to become a racing machine, and Abarth had already begun development of an experimental Group 4 prototype, the SE030, which had shown much promise at the 1974 Giro d'Italia motor race. Dallara was tasked with developing the chassis, and quickly replaced the front and rear subframes with lightweight tubular elements; Pininfarina redesigned the bodywork, making extensive use of lightweight composite materials and windtunnel testing. Fearful of Porsche's utter domination of Division 1 of the World Sportscar Championship, where the 935 was scalping the competition, Lancia decided to stick to Division 2, intended for cars with an engine displacement below 2 litres (or 1.4 for turbocharged cars): the flat-4 engine of the Gamma was briefly considered as a power source for the Beta, but in the end a brand-new DOHC inline-4, capable of 480 hp in racing trim and over 500 at maximum boost, found its way behind the cockpit of the car.



A team of impressive drivers was soon assembled, and it included rally champion Walter Rohrl, future F1 aces such as Riccardo Patrese, Michele Alboreto and Eddie Cheever, and a promising young driver by the name of Emanuele Pirro amongst many other names that undoubtedly showed the seriousness of the challenge for the World Sportscar Championship title Lancia was mounting. Already in the 1979 debut season, and despite some obvious teething problems, the Beta Montecarlo was the car to beat in Division 2, handily dominating over a sea of BMW 320s. But 1980 would be the annus mirabilis of Lancia in sportscar racing: in a grueling, 11-races championship that included the Daytona and Le Mans 24h races, the team would not only win all of the Division 2 races but one, but it would also go on to collect a Division 1 victory thanks to a Beta powered by a 1,7 litres engine. At the end of the season they had the same number of points as Porsche; but with one more class victory, they could claim the World Championship for Makes. 1981 would see Lancia repeat its performance, but sadly, the era of Group 5 was coming to a close, and in 1982 the "production special" machines would leave room to the Group C prototypes that would define racing in the 80s. Lancia's competitor in the class, the Ferrari-powered LC2, was incredibly quick, often stealing the pole from the seemingly-unbeatable 962s, but its poor reliability relegated it "best of the rest" status. The lessons learned with the Beta were also put to use somehwere else: the chassis of the 037, Lancia's iconic Group B rear wheel drive monster, was essentially developed from the Montecarlo's.



The Beta Montecarlo Turbo also clinched the 1980 Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft, with Hans Heyer behind the wheel. Amongst its Division 2 competitors were the outrageous Capris built by Zakspeed, one of the winningest names in GT and Endurance racing. After Ford shut down its European racing programme in the wake of the oil crisis of the early 1970s, Erich Zakowski's racing team had become the de facto official racing arm of Ford Germany, establishing the dominance of the Blue Oval brand in the earliest season of the DRM series. When the series adopted FIA Group 5 rules in 1977, the team initially tried to develop the second-generation Escort, fitting it with the usual assortment of box-flares and snowplow-like front air dams, but the naturally aspirated BDA engine, with its power output of 280 hp, put it at a severe disadvantage against the turbocharged BMW 320s, which would be crowned Division champions at the end of the year. For the 1978 season, Zakspeed set to work on building one of the most iconic machines of the Group 5 era. The only thing the Capri had in common with its street-legal sibling were the side doors, and the greenhouse; only, in this case they were fitted on a tube frame chassis, draped in a very low-slung and angular bodywork designed for maximum aerodynamic efficiency, which made the short-lived Escort look downright conservative. The 2-litre Cosworth engine was replaced with a bespoke, 1400cc unit, which in the debut season of the car produced 380 horsepower - which would eventually rise to well over 500. But despite all the promise shown by the machine, Zakspeed would only clinch the overall title in 1981, the final year the DRM series was run to Group 5 rules.



However, it wasn't the Wundercar's time to leave the scenes yet: that same year, the German firm would become involved in Ford's plans to join the premiere American sportscar racing series of the time, the IMSA GTX. The roof and aesthetic trimmings of the super-Capri were replaced to make it look like a Mustang instead; the re-christened machine was entrusted to the team of Jack Roush (who would've rather had a V8-powered car), and lead-footed German Klaus Ludwig drove it on most of its sorties. While the Ford was quite speedy compared to its usual opponents, it lacked the reliability necessary to go all the way in endurance races; 1983 would see the GTX category of the IMSA series - a last holdout of the Group 5 era - get the axe, and the odd front-engined Mustang GTP car would drop the 1.4-litre engine in favor of a turbocharged BDA displacing over two litres. But Zakspeed would keep developing their power unit, which would eventually find its way in their winning Interseries contender, and later on in their (significantly less successful) F1 cars.



But enough chit-chat. Let's talk about how those two cars perform, and how they compare when pitted against each other. The numbers seem to tell the tale of a very close match-up: the Beta is one of the lightest vehicles in the history of Group 5, and as such, it has a very definite weight advantage, tipping the scales at 781 kg v. the Mustang's 898; however, the Ford makes up for it with a much higher power output, 529 horses to the 400 of the Lancia. The difference is enough to ensure the Mustang also has a better power-to-weight ratio than its Italian rival (589 to 512 hp/tonne), but it comes at a price: turbo lag. The engines share the same displacement and a very similar architecture; Zakspeed managed to squeeze more power out of its four-cyl powerplant by way of a larger turbo, which delivers higher boost pressures, but takes longer to spool up. The engine really comes alive only at 4000 rpm, which is not ideal. Comparatively, the Beta's turbo kick in at about 3000 rpm, and the power delivery is smooth enough to make the lag manageable to the point that after a couple of warm-up laps, it's a non-factor.

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As far as the venues of this comparison go, the Mugello Circuit and Watkins Glen are very similar tracks, featuring noticeable elevation changes, fast, sweeping corners that are a perfect test of a car's stability, and technical sections that require a fine throttle control. And the Beta Montecarlo is a truly awesome cornering machine: of course, it takes some practise to get used to its characteristics, and especially to its slight tendency to understeer, but after you do get used to its quirks, throwing it into corners with gusto and blipping the throttle on the apex becomes a very natural exercise. Few other vehicles featured in Forza are as fun as this Lancia through the fast Biondetti chicanes of the Mugello, or the Esses up the hill at Watkins Glen.



The Mustang, on the other hand, is more finicky and nervous, but also more responsive on corner entry. It is a machine that will eat you alive if you dare push on the throttle when the wheels are not straight, and even then, you should be careful: the comically wide rear tires may still easily lose traction, resulting in a loss of time (if you are lucky) or in an embarassing spin out. But with that being said, once you can get into your stride, it is undoubtedly the faster car of the duo: not only it will absolutely leave the Beta in the dust on the straights and on corner exit, but its light tendency to oversteer can be exploited to be even more aggressive on corner entry.



The Beta may be the most intuitive car of the duo: it doesn't take much to get into the necessary mindset to extract its full potential, but it is ultimately outpaced by the fearsome Mustang, which will really require you to be at the top of your game all the time if you don't want to end up in a wall, but will deliver stunning performance as long as you can give it your full attention. It's hard to choose between one of the two: on the single hotlap the Zakspeed car definitely takes the crown, but as far as race pace goes, the Lancia may be more consistent. In the end it boils down to personal preference: on both tracks, the two cars were separed just by a tenth of a second, with the Mustang taking the crown at the Mugello, where undoubtedly the long straight played a part in its victory, and the Beta prevailing at Watkins Glen, where it was easier to carry momentum through the slower and more technical Boot section.



Lancia Beta Montecarlo Turbo

Pros: the most malleable Group 5 car in game
Cons: a bit underpowered compared to the competition, slight tendency to understeer may lead you to overshoot corners

Laptimes
Mugello Autodromo Internazionale Full:
01:55.962
Watkins Glen Full: 01:50.872

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Ford Mustang Turbo IMSA GTX

Pros: the engine is as loud as it is powerful - and it is very loud
Cons: requires you to keep a laser-like focus if you don't want to end up embarassing yourself

Laptimes
Mugello Autodromo Internazionale Full:
01:55.868
Watkins Glen Full: 01:50.991

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I only gave the new Ford Mustang a go this week, to which I got a 1:48.437. Quite a snappy and powerful car, even with it's tendencies to slide because of the turbo if you're not careful. I rate the Mustang a sleeper.
On the other hand, I really do not like the Lancia. For the class it is in, it's seems really sluggish and soft when stock and I got quite bored driving it, which is why I rate that a beater.
 
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The Lancia will get a way with a reluctant neutral rating, it feels too safe and tame for a car coming from a series known for it's over the top power and fenders.
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Can I haz boost gauge plz T10? This car is so much more fun to drive than the Lancia. Even without the turbo kick the rear end is very lively, turn in doesn't suffer from the Lancia's understeer, and it goes like heck if you keep it on boost. Sleeper.
 
So with the silhouette racers sorted, let’s score the scores.

Beta Montecarlo

@Vic Reign93 1:53.010
@Drex124 1:53.917
@ClydeYellow 1:55.962
@Obelisk 1:57.091
@Populuxe Cowboy 1:58.594

Zakspeed Mustang

@Drex124 1:47.851
@Vic Reign93 1:47.930
@pompeypigeon 1:48.437
@ClydeYellow 1:50.991
@Obelisk 1:52.289
@Populuxe Cowboy 1:53.520

So with me and Drex both picking up a win with a pretty small gap between us and everyone else putting in respectable times, we move on to this weeks winner.

Congratulations @ClydeYellow !!!

Your detailed write ups are to be commended and your pick for this week was inspired by something a good number of us do, searching for old videos at classic meets of rare cars in their element and driven by legends of the past. :D

Yours was the 1985 Monterey Historic at Laguna Seca, The driver was Jaun Manuel Fangio and the car...

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The 1950 Alfa Romeo 158!!!

Back into the open wheelers and into the inaugural year of Forumla Ones World Championship of Drivers in 1950.

The 158 actually started winning a few races before WW2, but the reason we have the 1950 model is simple, it won every race that season, a 1-2-3 at the first round at 3 1-2’s in a row in the latter half of the season. :bowdown:

Engines rules were simple back then, you didn’t have boost? You could have a 4.5 litre engine, with boost that dropped down to 1.5 litres and that’s what the 158 ‘Alfetta’ has got.

It’s got a supercharged 1.5 Straight 8 making 350hp and 260ft-lbs of torque transmitted to the rear via a 4 speed gearbox.

With skinny tyres and only 1,543lbs to move, you’ll be recreating that Monterey Historic drive at Laguna Seca, only we’ll probably be going a lot quicker than Fangio was allowed to go when he drove it at the 1985 meet. :D

Best of luck gentleman. 👍
 
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Sliiide to the left, sliiiide to the right... sliiiiide into another gravel trap.....

Initial torque induced problems aside I do love this thing. It's lively enough to be a fun challenge, but not too much to get annoying.

Sleeper
 

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I figure that I record this one because we need more glorious Straight 8 noise. :drool:

So the 158 Alfetta (Little Alfa), brakes are there in the sense that they are connected, but not actually doing anything and going over the crest into turn 1 was sketchy due to catching air.

Trying to drive it like a normal car just brings understeer so you have to use the throttle to induce oversteer and go through the turns in a 4 wheeled drift, just like Fangio probably did. :P

You can actually do a full grip build and still get homologated for its division, can be quick if pushed and it’s the easiest to drive in its division, but that’s not saying much as it’s still a vintage racer and will need a decent set of hands to tame it. :)

Verdict: Neutral
 
I've just got an HP Omen and I have it all set up.

Can someone tell me if Forza 7 is on Steam or elsewhere, and is it compatible with a Logitech DFGT?
 
I've just got an HP Omen and I have it all set up.

Can someone tell me if Forza 7 is on Steam or elsewhere, and is it compatible with a Logitech DFGT?

  • Not on Steam, but if you bought the digital version, you can download it from the MS store by logging with the same account;
  • It should be, but remember to turn off Sim steering!
  • An Omen? Showoff. :lol:
 
A midrange one. 3gb GTX 1060 inside and a current/new i5. Ran me about $850.

But all these RGB lights!

I bought the physical disc.

Afraid you will have to buy the Digital, then. PC crossplay ("Play Anywhere") is one of the "perks" of the digital delivery edition.


Why, what's this do to the wheels?

In theory, it shouldn't have anything to do with wheels - on controllers Sim steering should turn off input smoothing, and on the wheel the game shouldn't give a crap about the setting altogether. But in reality keeping the setting on seems to do... Weird things to the force feedback and steering lock.
 
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This time I got a 1:39:155
Considering the brakes were made from paper plates, this is not a bad racer. It's slidey and you have to be alert to keep it in control but eventually it comes of as being quite quick. Rated a Sleeper.
 

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I found some editing software, so now I can finally upload my laps (yay).
Now if only I knew how to drive this thing. :irked:
 
Here’s the rankings for the Alfa 158 “Alfetta”.

@Vic Reign93 1:38.047
@Drex124 1:38.673
@pompeypigeon 1:39.155
@Obelisk 1:43.209
@Populuxe Cowboy 1:44.499

As noted by nearly everyone, the brakes were less than effective than trying to stop it Flintstone style, but was quick when tamed. :D

To this weeks winners..

Congratulations Toyota!!!

After 27 years, you became the second Japanese manufacturer to win outright at the legendary 24hrs of Le Mans.

Yes there’s those who say it wasn’t a proper win due to the lack of any rivals, but you try and tell that to the team members who were there back in 2016 in quite possibly the cruelest moment in motorsports this decade for Toyota. :nervous:


You don’t choose to win Le Mans, Le Mans chooses YOU to win and they needed this win.

And while I would like to showcase your Le Man winning prototype, you got stingy with your license for your factory racing machines and road cars for Forza 7. :rolleyes:

But thankfully, we do have a back up option.

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The 1992 Toyota #99 AAR Toyota Eagle MK III!!!

The curtain caller of the IMSA GTP due to its shear dominance of winning 21 of the 27 races it entered, just like how the Porsche 917/30 Can Am Spyder dominated Can Am.

The engine is a 2.1 litre 3S-GTM Inline 4 with a single turbocharger and delivering 751hp and 575ft-lbs of torque to the rear tyres.

Compared to its Early Prototype Racer counterparts, The Eagle is the slowest in a straight line despite it being the second most powerful Prototype, but it’s the best in class for handling.

That lack of straight line speed prompted me to swap tracks with the other car we have for this week.

But first, the other winner for this week.

Congratulations Fernando Alonso!!!

Not only did Toyota finally win Le Mans, you were part of the winning team and you certainly pulled your weight and them some. :cheers:

That win puts you 2/3rds of the way to the most prestigious title in motorsports, The Triple Crown and you’re already planning to head back to the Indy 500 next year for another attempt at the final piece of the crown. :bowdown:

So to celerbrate ‘Alonsomania’ (Yes that’s a thing now.), a car from your own country. ;)

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The 2016 Spania GTA GTA Spano!!!

Packing a twin turbo 8.0 litre Dodge Viper V10, it’s bringing 912hp and 899ft-lbs of torque to the rear via a 7 speed gearbox.

A less known hypercar and a dominant IMSA GTP racer, both will tested to their limits this week.

The Toyota will be tested in Spain at the Circuit de Catalunya Grand Prix Layout and the Spania GTA will be tested at Le Mans on the Old Mulsanne Circuit.

Celebrate these two machines with your best lap times possible, good luck people. ;)👍
 
Does anyone know of any way to get rid of stuttering/freezing? I have 8 gb of RAM, an i5 @ 3.00GHz and a GTX 1060 3GB and I'm getting inconsistent performance when locked at 60 FPS without VSync.

Anyways, the cars.
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The Spano I am going to call a Sleeper because it's got solid performance and it wasn't that hard to learn and control.

The Toyota I'm gonna call a Neutral car because it's predictably quick, almost terrifyingly so. And that's the point of an IMSA car, isn't it?
 
Does anyone know of any way to get rid of stuttering/freezing? I have 8 gb of RAM, an i5 @ 3.00GHz and a GTX 1060 3GB and I'm getting inconsistent performance when locked at 60 FPS without VSync.

Forza Fora
1. Turn off "Game Mode" - "Game DVR" - "Game Bar" in Windows Game Settings.

2. In Nvidia Control Panel - Power Management Mode - Prefer Maximum Performance
In Windows Control Panel - Power Options - High Performance Plan

3. Do not run any Overclocking / monitoring / video capture software.

From personal experience: the dynamic settings can cause stuttering frame drops when it's constantly switching between settings to hit that 60. On that set-up maybe try high or a mix between high and medium settings at 1080p?

Even then it up to chance sometimes though, I've had no problems most of the time and then one month the game would just drop 5 frames every second for no discernible reason.
 
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So the Eagle MK 3, blisteringly quick through the turns, stops brilliantly and accelerates rapidly exiting corners.

While it’s a technical track animal, a long enough straight shows it’s rather poor straight line speed(in comparison to other prototypes.) despite being second most powerful in its division.

Sleeper on twisty tracks, beater on high speed tracks, Neutral verdict it is. :P

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The GTA Spano by contrast is a straight line monster, It’s no Segg One:1 or Venom GT, but it still hit 240mph at Le Mans. 👍

Despite the large power and torque, it was surprisingly well behaved in putting its power down and cornering.

Could be a tad lighter to help the brakes, but that’s nitpicking at this point. :lol:

Overall, quite a showing from a newcomer to the hypercar world.

Verdict: Sleeper :)👍
 
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