Brexit - The UK leaves the EU

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I thought it was only two years, not "six"...
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Brexit, two years on – so far, so bad

January 31 marks the two-year anniversary of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU. Investment Monitor examines how Brexit has hit the UK economy.
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Nagaremono
I live in the UK and Brexit has made my life so much better
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Jacob Rees-Mogg, is that you?

Nagaremono
Hope things improve for you soon
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No, you demonstrably don't... you wouldn't support restrictions, friction and barriers to trade for British manufacturing businesses (even within the internal market) if you did. You wouldn't support loss of freedom of movement for British people or significant others in their life if you did.

Thanks for the thought though, I'm not going to reciprocate the sentiment. You voted for making every important aspect of my life worse, so your bull **** gesture is, clearly, meaningless, and I'm sure you can guess how I hope things go for you. I'm sure you will pretend you'd have been entirely magnanimous if you lost whatever benefits you believe you've gained since Brexit.
 
MatskiMonk
Jacob Rees-Mogg, is that you?



No, you demonstrably don't... you wouldn't support restrictions, friction and barriers to trade for British manufacturing businesses (even within the internal market) if you did. You wouldn't support loss of freedom of movement for British people or significant others in their life if you did.

Thanks for the thought though, I'm not going to reciprocate the sentiment. You voted for making every important aspect of my life worse, so your bull **** gesture is, clearly, meaningless, and I'm sure you can guess how I hope things go for you. I'm sure you will pretend you'd have been entirely magnanimous if you lost whatever benefits you believe you've gained since Brexit.
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No, you’re right, I don’t really care about anyone who isn’t able to accept they lost and move on. I’ll be fine though, the world (and Europe) is much more than that laughable socialist monstrosity based in Brussels. If only certain people could ‘get it’... But perhaps that’s why they are what they are.
 
Nagaremono
No, you’re right, I don’t really care about anyone who isn’t able to accept they lost and move on.
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You mean like eurosceptics failed to do from the 1970's?

Your argument is fundamentaly flawed on two levels.

First the end of a referendum or election does not end the democratic process.

Secondly, it doesn't stop discussions around how and to what level implementation occurs, and that part of the process isn't even finished!

'Lol get over it' is neither a valid argument or a well considered one, but given the singularly self based view you have put forward, its not surprising either.
 
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You mean like eurosceptics failed to do from the 1970's?

Your argument is fundamentaly flawed on two levels.

First the end of a referendum or election does not end the democratic process.

Secondly, it doesn't stop discussions around how and to what level implementation occurs, and that part of the process isn't even finished!

'Lol get over it' is neither a valid argument or a well considered one, but given the singularly self based view you have put forward, its not surprising either.
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Best cross your fingers for a reversal in forty years. You’d need a democratic majority first though. Might happen. If the EU still exists.

And I don’t want anyone (who’s still angry about it now) to get over it. Ever.
 
Nagaremono
And I don’t want anyone (who’s still angry about it now) to get over it. Ever.
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Speaking as someone who voted remain but was over it about 4 seconds after he result was announced (although I still think leaving was a mistake, but whatever), this just makes you look desperate to be smug at others and has nothing to do with what's best for the country. It's an attitude that appears to be quite prevelant amongst leave voters, that nothing is more important than being able to feel superior to strangers.
 
Nagaremono
Best cross your fingers for a reversal in forty years. You’d need a democratic majority first though. Might happen. If the EU still exists.

And I don’t want anyone (who’s still angry about it now) to get over it. Ever.
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Your side 'won' yet you still have poorly suppressed hostility!

I'm not angry, I'm unsurprisingly disappointed.
 
Scaff
Your side 'won' yet you still have poorly suppressed hostility!

I'm not angry, I'm unsurprisingly disappointed.
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Self pity is destructive to individuals, those around them, and by extension their environment (incl their country). I’m hostile to anyone who’s stuck in a loser mentality in any walk of life.

Whether that festering loser mindset is expressed as anger, disappointment or whatever, doesn’t matter. It’s still self pity and it’s still trying to offload one’s own responsibility for one’s own failures and unhappiness in life onto others (or a ‘vote’ or whatever). 200-odd pages of it here, whining and whingeing and gnashing of teeth.

I can laugh at it, and despair of it at the same time. Having spent half my adult life (15 years) living in Japan I’m in a position to compare. And Britain simply has too many losers - Brexit has exposed them but they were obvs there all along (prob explains UK’s problems with productivity etc), and Japan has winners, people who just get on with it and accept life can’t be perfect (not that Japan would ever be dumb enough to politically merge with Korea or China or wherever in the first place).

I choose to laugh and mock more, because it’s sad to think I’m surrounded by 48 per cent losers (prob only a half or fewer of those still feeling butthurt six years on tho, I admit that the moaners are a small minority now).

200 pages of comedy entertainment here.
 
Nagaremono
Self pity is destructive to individuals, those around them, and by extension their environment (incl their country). I’m hostile to anyone who’s stuck in a loser mentality in any walk of life.

Whether that festering loser mindset is expressed as anger, disappointment or whatever, doesn’t matter. It’s still self pity and it’s still trying to offload one’s own responsibility for one’s own failures and unhappiness in life onto others (or a ‘vote’ or whatever). 200-odd pages of it here, whining and whingeing and gnashing of teeth.

I can laugh at it, and despair of it at the same time. Having spent half my adult life (15 years) living in Japan I’m in a position to compare. And Britain simply has too many losers - Brexit has exposed them but they were obvs there all along (prob explains UK’s problems with productivity etc), and Japan has winners, people who just get on with it and accept life can’t be perfect (not that Japan would ever be dumb enough to politically merge with Korea or China or wherever in the first place).

I choose to laugh and mock more, because it’s sad to think I’m surrounded by 48 per cent losers (prob only a half or fewer of those still feeling butthurt six years on tho, I admit that the moaners are a small minority now).

200 pages of comedy entertainment here.
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Valid critique isn't self pity, as such much of the 200 pages seems to have sailed right over your head.
 
I suspect that was the reaction he wanted so he could claim victimhood at the hands of the people he came to troll.
 
Nagaremono
Self pity is destructive to individuals, those around them, and by extension their environment (incl their country). I’m hostile to anyone who’s stuck in a loser mentality in any walk of life.

Whether that festering loser mindset is expressed as anger, disappointment or whatever, doesn’t matter. It’s still self pity and it’s still trying to offload one’s own responsibility for one’s own failures and unhappiness in life onto others (or a ‘vote’ or whatever). 200-odd pages of it here, whining and whingeing and gnashing of teeth.

I can laugh at it, and despair of it at the same time. Having spent half my adult life (15 years) living in Japan I’m in a position to compare. And Britain simply has too many losers - Brexit has exposed them but they were obvs there all along (prob explains UK’s problems with productivity etc), and Japan has winners, people who just get on with it and accept life can’t be perfect (not that Japan would ever be dumb enough to politically merge with Korea or China or wherever in the first place).

I choose to laugh and mock more, because it’s sad to think I’m surrounded by 48 per cent losers (prob only a half or fewer of those still feeling butthurt six years on tho, I admit that the moaners are a small minority now).

200 pages of comedy entertainment here.
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This kind of sums up how UK (and US) politics have become of late, and as biased as I sound, it is significantly more present on the right. Politics is now a sport. You pick your team, you cheer for them and follow with blind loyalty. Policies and making the world a better place mean nothing as long as you’re “winning”, or to use the American parlance, “owning the libs”. An embarrassing state of affairs to be honest.
 
Nagaremono
Having spent half my adult life (15 years) living in Japan I’m in a position to compare. And Britain simply has too many losers - Brexit has exposed them but they were obvs there all along (prob explains UK’s problems with productivity etc), and Japan has winners, people who just get on with it and accept life can’t be perfect.
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Yeah. Japan is probably not a great example as a comparison. They have 3.5 times the amount of suicides (per capita) that Britain has and thats on an upwards trend.

From a research paper:
In Japan suicide victims are mostly young adults. Among those 15–24 and 40–54 it is the second leading cause of death and in 25–39 year age group it is the leading cause of death.2 The rate in middle aged men (40–54 years) was five times higher than in women, perhaps because of the association between suicide, unemployment, and economic recession.
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That working culture ethos of 'just getting on with it and accepting life can't be perfect' obviously isn't working.
 
TheCracker
That working culture ethos of 'just getting on with it and accepting life can't be perfect' obviously isn't working.
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Yeah, but we have 3 times the alcohol abuse problems though... and the associated death rate is 5 times what it is in Japan. Haven't seen anything conclusive but it's commonly suggested that stress is one of the primary reasons to use this form of medication. As it happens though, my Dad has explained to me in the past the massive culture shock (at all levels) he saw at Rover when Honda got involved... really makes the British car industry seem like a bunch of arse-scratching knuckle-draggers by comparison - he's also worked for Rolls-Royce & Bentley Motor cars, ze Germans (when VW took on Bentley), as well as manufacturers in Warsaw pact countries in the 70's and 80's - so he has a very broad perspective.

... not that it matters. The point being made is specious. Many people have worked their ass off, built a life for themselves, and had it severely affected by the EU referendum - being ****ed off about that is reasonable, IMHO - nothing to do with winners and losers.

Having said that, the demographics for leave indicate more support among those not in work, with no qualifications, on low income, or retirees.

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MatskiMonk
How it's going...

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How ironic - I would say that we have got exactly the Brexit people voted for... half-baked ideas with no real plan of what it is they actually wanted (other than to 'Leave the EU') and no clue as to how to get it; and all the while ignoring every 'expert' about the legality and wisdom of crashing out of the EU without a plan - sounds about right to me.
 
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How ironic - I would say that we have got exactly the Brexit people voted for... half-baked ideas with no real plan of what it is they actually wanted (other than to 'Leave the EU') and no clue as to how to get it; and all the while ignoring every 'expert' about the legality and wisdom of crashing out of the EU without a plan - sounds about right to me.
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The one voted for and the one promised are two very different things. The transparency of the lies presented about the benefits and the task at hand should have been obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than a glass of water and yet...
 
EU leaders have agreed to a ban on Russian oil, as well as doing without the bulk of Russian natural gas. The UK produces all its oil and gas, yes? Can the UK export oil and gas to the EU?

 
UK oil going to Europe sounds real good just now. I have no idea how much Europe relies on Persian Gulf oil shipped in Greek tankers. But now that plan has run into hiccups.

 

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