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Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Racer283, Sep 4, 2018.
Good to have you back! You'll be up to speed very quickly I'm sure.
While watching you guys drive the LaFerrari (and hearing the subsequent complaints), this video came to mind.
Basically me when I drive a LaFerrari out of the box.
I can't stop laughing at this help me! Pure gold, and all true.
So how were the races this week? Or should I be waiting for Racer's videos instead?
I didn't save any videos from this week as there were some great battles but nothing too note worthy to post. Maybe some of the other guys have videos from the night.
Ah thats right, I saved all the replays. I'll pick out the best ones and upload them
An entirely journalistic review of the Ferrari theFerrari by MisterWaffles the deserter.
“Oh look, our resident Ferrari fanboy is going to white knight this barge when he posts his review!”, none of you thought. That’s right, I might drive the Ferrari 458 GT3 in online races, which is by all accounts a bad idea, and I may have the tag “Ferrari Shill” on my GTPlanet profile, so I’m sure the lot of you would think it would be blasphemy coming from my mouth to write such a title above a review about the DEFINITIVE Ferrari.
If Ferrari were to read what I’m about to post below, I’m sure they’d try to cease and desist my sorry butt somehow, but I’m not afraid to say it. In both real life and the game, the LaFerrari is a piece of garbage. Now what I’m typing may be hard to comprehend for most of you, so to better help you digest my opinion, I’m going to cut this review up into neat little portions, yes?
Portion 1: Lovely Lady Lumps
I would say “lovely lady lumps”, but in this case the car really just doesn’t look the part. I actually think the Enzo did a much better job of conveying this sort of “F1 car for the road” aesthetic a decade prior to the LaFerrari. The LaF just kinda looks like someone took the Enzo and went “Crap, it’s time for a new anniversary car! Grab the Enzo, make it more round, have the side intakes look atrocious and put in KERS or some crap!” The result these designers got out of their efforts was a distorted mess of what the Enzo would look like if it was drawn by a five year old.
You may think I’m just hating on modern Ferrari design just for the hell of it, but far from it in fact. My favourite car of all time is the 458 Italia, so it’s not like I’ve got some sort of vendetta against any new car design, it’s just that in my opinion the LaFerrari looks incredibly busy, wide and inelegant.
Ok, I’ll be a little more fair here, it’s not a horrid looking car or anything and it’s certainly not the worst looking Ferrari, it’s just this one is a weird blend of elements that I don’t think work as well as they could have.
Portion 2: BoNo mY TiRes ArE GoNE
The driving experience of the LaFerrari in GT Sport can be summarized very quickly. “Appalling” is the word which comes to mind first. For the sort of driver that thinks vintage cars which wheelspin all the way to 200 clicks is fun, this car is right up your alley. The LaFerrari just can’t get the power down at all. The hybrid V12 will be spinning the wheels easily through 3rd gear, so you better have either traction control or a steady gas foot. Racing with this car easily can become a mess when people are trying to see who can be the first to mash the power out of a corner and inevitably spin into each other.
Portion 3: By the order of the Yarl, stop right there!
You’d think a very high-performance car from a company with a legendary competition pedigree would come with decent brakes? Nope, PD have fitted this rendition of the LaFerrari with wooden discs. Since GT Sport is the benchmark of realism I can only conclude this is accurate to the real car.
Portion thePortion: Verdict theVerdict
If you’re wondering what the weird title to this section of the review means, it means this part is the definitive section, much like the LaFerrari was supposed to be the ultimate example of a Ferrari road car.
Is that really how anyone feels about it, though? Does this car make you feel anything in your trousers when you look at it like the GTO, F40, F50 or Enzo before it? I’m sure to some kid born after me, it probably does. I’m the same way with the Enzo to someone who was born with the 250 GTO. What I mean by that is I was born too early for the LaFerrari to be my bedroom poster car. Mine is the Enzo, and one of yours might be the 250 GTO. Where I see a weird modern rendition of the Enzo’s styling that doesn’t really work, others younger than me might see a beautiful piece of artistry that I just don’t understand.
Is the LaFerrari in real life all that bad? Probably not. For some people it certainly does live up to the grandiose name, and maybe in the future I’ll warm up to it a little more like I did with the 488. But all I know is that the GT Sport version of the LaFerrari is an undriveable mess that should be sent to the digital scrap heap.
So, the verdict is buy an Enzo instead.
Your review made me laugh for a good while! I'm really glad you brought up Ferrari's... tendencies in real life. It's because of them that I don't trust any reviews I consume online (which is ironic because I'm sorta writing them).
I really thought I was going to get crucified and shot when I didn't like the Ferrari TheFerrari. But I'm wondering if it is as good as modern technology and laws can allow it to be. I'm wondering if the brakes really are that bad, or if we're just too spoiled by racing cars in GT Sport. I know I am. The road cars' brakes all feel appalling to me, but they don't have the speed of the Ferrari TheFerrari to scrub off. A V12 car weighing as little as it does is mind blowing, let alone a modern V12 with Hybrid. I wonder if LaFerrari is really that bad, or if its other contemporary rivals are just as awful, if not worse.
Just some thoughts floating through my head the past few days after I wrote my "NOPE" impressions on the car.
I can sort of understand why the P1 and 918 use batteries... in some circumstances the 3.8 turbo and 4.6 turbo can have deficits in power delivery... the 918 being 4wd has then added usage of battery power.
HOWEVER... why would a 6.3 litre V12 ever need a battery? There shouldnt be any deficiencies in a big Ferrari V12. We already know that in the F12 and Superfast that the V12 has little downsides in any circumstance.
So yeah I do concur that a hybrid V12 is kind of over the top and the only reason we dont see then in absolute road disasters is that they are owned by people who know they have a million dollar car and arent about to risk it.
Its kind of another thing is they used electric power to route to the front wheels to try to balance the chassis but lets just shove everything thru the back wheels because yolo...
The 918's engine is naturally-aspirated and high revving. But it's amazing how it can keep pace with the McLaren and Ferrari despite being the heaviest and least powerful among the trio.
I believe the 918 also has an ECU system that acts as a cover for gaps in power in the rev range.
What's even funny, is that, as I mentioned, the stock weights of N Class Ferraris are lighter than their real world counterparts (using unladen weight). Even in the virtual world, they're trying to edge out their rivals. LaFerrari weighing 2,700+ lbs? Did its batteries go to the shadow realm?
When you first said it, I thought you were just in disbelief at how light it was. Upon checking real world reviews, holy WOW is the mass figure of the Ferrari TheFerrari massively underreported. The game lists the Ferrari TheFerrari as 1,255kgs - lighter even than an FD RX-7, yet Motor Trend reports it at 1,585kg! I don't even think this is the game using unladen mass figures, as I have trouble believing the Ferrari TheFerrari needs 330kgs of fluids to function.
I honestly can't believe this company. Between the company's dishonesty, and how the car still feels like crap in spite of said dishonesty, I believe we have a very strong contender for beater of the year. I know it's only May, but I'm calling it right now.
So once again, I find myself testing a Ferrari in Assetto Corsa. Except this time, I'm going from bleeding-edge performance of the Mid-80's to the same of the current day. It's comparable to going from an Apple II computer to the latest offering from Alienware. Even that simile may be an understatement, as the LaFerrari has about as much power as the virtual GTO I drove last month and the real 488 I drove last Fall combined. Indeed, you're going to be hard pressed to find a race car that makes as much power outside of NHRA Dragsters.
Obviously I needed a fast track to be able to stretch this Ferrari's legs, and that took me to the Daytona Road Course. While the GTO from previously was challenging to drive with how primitive it was, the LaFerrari was challenging for trying to determine how far I could push the technology of the car before it rebelled on me like the HAL 9000. For instance, unlike.....ahem....other games....the brakes in the AC version of the car were very powerful at reducing the car's speed. But try to take the normal braking point for the Bus Stop chicane on the backstretch, and the LaFerrari becomes a very fast lawn mower. And while I made a prudent choice opting for Hypercar Track tires, there was no question I would've opted for racing slicks if they were an option. Really, it does feel like the LaFerrari is a one-trick pony.
But what a Heckuva Trick it is!
By the time I reached the Tri-Oval on a lap of the course, I was going as fast as IMSA DPi machines were around Daytona. And every moment I spent on the accelerator, I was treated the glorious sound of a Ferrari V-12 making its iconic scream behind me. As exasperating it could be to figure out what the LaFerrari wanted from me most of the lap, it was hard to stay mad at the car when we reached the high-banked NASCAR turns and it started to sing its passionate Italian siren song.
Would I buy a LaFerrari if I had the means? Probably not. I know I'd be better off buying a 488, and using the money saved for track days at a number of circuits where the LaFerrari couldn't take advantage of its ridiculous horsepower.
But would I want to experience driving a LaFerrari? ABSOLUTELY! Which is why I can't possibly call it a Beater.
Second Look - Genesis
An article that will ruin my credibility by MisterWaffles
Hey, what’s shaking everyone? My name is at the top of this post, and there’s some things you should know about me. I’m six-foot-two, I weigh more than I should, I was keeper for my high school soccer team, I have a massive hard on for Ferrari, and I daily drive a 2011 Hyundai Elantra Limited with an all-leather interior and satellite navigation in Black Noir Pearl.
You want to know what else I keep looking spiffy in the exact same colour? My (digital) 2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track Edition (in Gran Turismo). That’s right, I love myself a good Hyundai in both video games and in real life. In my order of most favourite car companies, Hyundai is right behind Ferrari. I love the design of the cars, their warranty, their new N brand. I (no joke) even have a Hyundai-branded baseball cap that I wear whenever I drive one of their cars in a video game.
Of course, when I decided to start this “second look” format by looking through the past cars I missed in order to find material, of course I was shocked and appalled by the decision to name this sexy beast of a car “Beater of the Year 2018” collectively. How could such a well-designed and good- looking piece of automotive pornography be treated like that? I have a bone to pick with the member of this thread now, and I’m going to do it by reviewing this car.
I did seven laps stock at Laguna Seca with Sports Hard tires and no traction control, and what I found contradicted the opinions of so many people before me. I’ve read lots of complaint about it “burning up the rear tires despite the lack of power” but personally I didn’t experience hardly any oversteer through my power laps at Laguna Seca, all I got was a perfectly neutral car with a hint of understeer that behaved perfectly and did exactly what I told it to do. I mean, the Genesis isn’t exactly a Lotus or anything, but I had no problems in the slightest getting the car to take corners at Laguna. Even the infamous Corkscrew didn’t do much to upset the car. Now, I’m sure there have been a few physics tweaks since 2018, so it’s probably a different experience to what it was back then, but if the car is handling significantly better for me, the previous woes must be problems with the physics model and not the car itself.
As for other aspects of the driving experience, brakes are fine but it’s not like this thing’s setting speed traps on fire or anything. Weight transfer is satisfying for my driving style and it feels good. The engine does seem a tad lazy but it’s pretty decent considering the Mitsubishi GTO is even lazier and has a turbocharged unit as opposed to the Genesis’ naturally aspirated goodness. I think every other aspect of the car minus the torque is just as good as the handling. It’s not perfect but it feels very pleasant as a full package in my hands.
Let’s talk looks and sound now. I thought the V6 made a solid grumble up to its redline. I’m actually quite a big fan of how the car sounds in the game, but it obviously doesn’t accurately capture the majesty of the real car. The sound of the Group 4 car hits it perfectly I think and is actually very reminiscent of the Lotus Evora GTC’s Toyota V6 from Assetto Corsa (which sounds spot-on to the real life version.) I remember seeing a video where a Genesis 3.8 track car had almost the exact same sound and it was absolutely glorious. So, the V6 of the road car in GT Sport is muffled but still sounds pretty OK, but the Gr.4 car is almost spot on and sounds amazing.
Now onto the looks of the Genesis. I know it’s not for everyone, but I absolutely love the styling cues of early-2010s Hyundai road cars. Considering I drive one, it’s pretty obvious I like the aesthetic. The Genesis is the perfect representation of that form in a Coupe body. It looks flowing and muscular at the same time. Pair the unique body that stands out amongst common traffic with a certain Black Noir Pearl, and you get the ultimate in sporty Hyundais.
I don’t think it’s any secret at this point, I love the Genesis. I love Hyundai, and I won’t have you people bullying my digital baby. You may think that I’ve lost my mind and I’m playing with garbage, but I love Hyundai, I love the Genesis, and I love driving with it in GT Sport. I’m 100% serious when I say I’d rather drive a Genesis 3.8 Track any day over a 2020 Supra or an Alfa Romeo 4C or a KTM X-Bow. I may not win the race but I’d be having a hell of a time driving with my favourite N300 car. Hell, give me the 1,600,000 credits it takes to buy a LaFerrari and I’d happily buy 48 Hyundais instead.
I think what I love most about the Genesis, and the 2011 (award-winning) Elantra as a result, is what it means in the wider context of the brand which made it. Hyundai in the 90’s and 2000’s was a joke. Their cars were terrible and nobody bought them seriously. They were disposable cars that anyone could afford, run into the ground and not have to worry about resale value. But something at Hyundai changed, they wanted to be seen as more than that. The 2010s for Hyundai were an incredible boom for the brand in terms of virtually everything: public opinion, styling, performance, build quality, warranties, the list goes on. These 2010s-era Hyundai models represent a metamorphosis from a brand that nobody took seriously into a brand that made competent cars with smart looks, good pricing, reliability and hey, look! They even nabbed the head of BMW’s M brand and have their own performance division now! If the Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track is about one thing, that thing is progress.
There you have it, my deepest, darkest secret revealed, my dirty fetish exposed to the masses. Have at me if you wish, be disgusted that I love something which you can’t, but remember this; I will forever love the Hyundai Genesis.
(I may have been joking about several things in this review/rant, but one thing I wasn’t joking about was the hat.)
As an aside; if any of you guys have Assetto Corsa for the PC, I had a hand in creating a Hyundai Genesis GT4 mod based on the 3.8 Track. You can get it at this link here:
The car itself is superb to drive, the dynamics are on point. It also runs pretty well with the new Guerilla GT4 cars and the stock Kunos GT4 cars.
Many moons ago, I drove the Genesis on a whim, seeing as it's one of the very few "relatable" cars I might see on the streets where I live. I seem to recall it understeering a little, but nothing deal breaking. I like the fact that it has a proper V6 and a proper manual in a proper coupe with power going to the rear wheels. It's weird how petrolheads can say "we want this and this and that" and when an automaker actually gives us what we ask for, we don't buy them.
I didn't fall in love with it or anything, but I will also say that the Genesis isn't nearly as bad as I read on this thread looking back. I too was quite surprised at COTW's reception to the car.
The turbo 2.0 was supposed to be the go as well... it has sufficient power especially if you do minor stuff to it and it has a weight advantage.
I think many enthusiasts talk the big talk but the realistic thing is that many of us can afford a $30-$40k rwd sports coupe but we cant afford to use it in our lifestyle.
Let me put it like this... I drive an SUV which is about the same price as a Toyota GT86 where I am.
But I need an SUV to haul crap around we need 5 seats.
I have owned sports coupes and V8 sedans saloons but even these are impractical next to an SUV.
I can afford one car but two cars right now is too much of a stretch.
If you have access to multiple cars then by all means buy a sports coupe. I would prefer something like a 2+2 coupe that has a glass rear hatch like a 180sx or JZA80 Supra.
The Genesis? I quite like it. Granted the frame is a decade old so they would make sense as a nice 2nd hand purchase.
In game? Its decent. At N400/500 level it does hold its own. It is a tad boring though but then so are a lot of inexpensive RWD coupes.
Guys, 12 hours to this week's race. Do we know the car yet? Would like some prep time before the lobby is up for liveries, and, if a beater, how to not crash it.
This week we will be testing the Audi E-Tron Vision GT. This weeks car is chosen by @Nismonath5
Lobby's up, come join in the fun!
Week 86. Didn't use the Toyota 86.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Hey guys, some of the races from this night’s lobby in my perspective. A second selection of videos and a review of the Audi to follow later on.
The last two races of our lobby this week have finally finished uploading:
The one below is probably my favourite race of the night.
I'm just gonna assume that was the last time you guys let me pick...
I’ve picked much worse during my time with COTW and I still get to pick cars so...
Safe to say you’ll get another pick in the future.
You should have seen the time I picked the NASCAR Stock Cars in Gran Turismo 6.
Speaking of Stock Cars, check out who showed up during my ARCA Practice session on iRacing the other night...
Audi R8 e-tron Vision Gran Turismo Quickie Impressions
Audi is the first manufacturer to adopt a "halo car" approach to their entire lineup of cars. The original Audi R8 was that car, and what a stunner it is. I think it's one of the most recogniseable cars from a distance, and yet it looks so understated, self assured, and mature. Rear mid engine, all wheel drive is such a perfect setup for a car in the real world, and I'm surprised it hasn't been used more. I don't think it can be overstated how big a deal the original R8 is.
Of course, because it's the halo car, it sets the styling theme of the entire Audi range. Every car in their lineup looks like a cheap R8 knockoff, in the name of "sharing family DNA" or "cost cutting" or something. With every automaker following the trend Audi set, every car from a manufacturer looks the same, except stretched or shrunk in a photocopier.
Vision Gran Turismo (VGT) cars are supposed to be a car designer's wet dream; manufacturers get to design what they want, how they want, when they want, with no restrictions on cost, ergonomics, or even any basis in reality. Even Audi's VGT car looks like an R8 in terms of shapes and proportions. There's a saying that goes, "don't fix what isn't broken". But, there also is a saying of "too much of a good thing is a bad thing". With the e-tron, I'm not sure which of the two statements apply more than the other. Compared to the other VGTs in the game, this is among one of the most sane and plausible looking, yet it doesn't seem to spark any excitement or wonder looking at it, aside from that GINORMOUS NACA duct on the roof that presumably cools the batteries behind the driver. It does hold the distinction of being the only real, functioning VGT that was built and ran in the real world, however, which easily makes it the single most distinct and noteworthy VGT in the game, in my opinion. (EDIT: I was corrected by Nismonath after posting. The e-tron isn't the only existing and running VGT; so is Fittipaldi's)
The e-tron produces 815PS combined from its three electric motors, one of which powers the front wheels. Given that it looks like an R8, has gigantic ducts leading to the rear of the car, and has two electric motors presumably aft the cockpit to drive the rear wheels, this car gives off a vibe like it leans heavily on its rear; yet, mass distribution is claimed to be a "perfect" 50:50 (if it were so perfect, why would you make R8s and Huracans rear mass biased?). Behind the wheel though, the car handles starkly neutral. I don't want to say a monkey could drive a car that does 0-100km/h in 2.5 seconds, but a monkey with The Rock's Size 14 Boot up it's butt can drive this thing; that was essentially what I was when I was forced to drive on my DualShock 4 for this week's races, due to complications involving my cat sleeping on my wheel.
Driving it on a wheel for this quick review, though, it was astoundingly easy. On trail braking, the front end never complained. There was never any under or oversteer; just grip for days, even on the downhill trail braking points like Turn 1 of Suzuka, which usually unsettles MR cars. There was never any skidding or tyre scrubbing that is usually associated with front heavy AWD cars on braking, nor was there any understeer rattle through the wheel. The rear never steps out on power, nor does the front end feel loose on corner exit. The only thing to really watch out for when driving this thing is the understeer that comes from the car gaining so much speed so quickly when powering out from an apex, which drastically increases turning radius. A way too heavy right foot will send this car missiling off the track, a testament to how unbelievably well this thing puts power down. This thing handles so neutral, it somehow seems to blend the strongest points of each drivetrain configuration while filtering out the cons. It grips like an AWD. It turns in so precisely and effortlessly it feels like an MR. It's a thoroughly impressive package that's hard to find fault with. It's easy to chalk this performance up to being a fantasy car, until you realise that it isn't a fantasy car.
Pure EVs are traditionally known to have very good torque from standstill, and the e-tron is no exception. Even with AWD, you'll need a slight moment of TCS from a standstill to get an ideal launch; scary, considering this thing's lean mass of just 1450kg. From there, there is simply no letup in the pull from the three motors until you're well over 300km/h. EVs are also traditionally known to not have very high top speeds, but the e-tron caps off at an ample 370km/h (~186mph), rev limited, which you'll almost reach at Mulsanne Straight before the first chicane. To be fair, at speeds in excess of 300km/h, any car, IC or EV, would struggle. It's insane to even think an EV would have comparable speeds to a hybrid LMP1 car.
Where lacking a traditional IC engine hurts the e-tron is in the braking zones, but only for the super slow corners, such as hairpins or chicanes. I think this is less the fault of the e-tron, but moreso just an inherent strength of an IC car I'm too used to. An IC car can use aggressive engine braking into these corners, and the driver will have to adapt and manage their expectations going into these super slow corners to not overshoot their braking point. It's hard to not miss the extra stopping power however, and I'm guilty of tapping a few people in this week's races, most notably at the U-turn of Tokyo East (or, the entirety of Horse Thief Mile. Can I bring that race up without being tied to a stake and shot?).
EVs are also traditionally known to be whisper quiet, and this is where the e-tron bucks the trend. The e-tron is so loud with its kettle noises, one wouldn't think it had anything other than a hulking IC engine in it. I'm not sure if the noise is authentic, or if it's played through speakers like so many of today's cars resort to. It just doesn't sound right to me. The soundtrack of the e-tron I think is easily its biggest downside. I find it to be loud and grating, and with how high it revs, it always sounds like the motors are all about to spontaneously explode. The sound isn't informative since you never need to shift it, and it certainly is far from evocative. I just wish I had a mute button on it.
One would think a 815PS EV VGT wouldn't have many peers to be compared against, but happily, the folks over at England just so happens to also have an EV VGT that caps out at... about 373km/h. Sound familiar? Yep, Jaaaaaguar has a VGT of their own, the very creatively named "VGT Coupé". It pulls several bus lengths on the e-tron on the straights, even with the e-tron in its slipstream. But, as can be expected from the car that caused the only red flag in Gran Turismo history, that thing STANK in the corners. Even in the hands of the much more talented Vic, the Jaaaaag (okay, last time, I swear) was a sitting brick to the e-tron controlled with the precision of a drunk duck walking on land. To help illustrate, have Waffles' video!
While it may be the car of choice for Le Sarthe, I would pick the e-tron any day, especially given the Jag's outward vision, which can only be described as "Robocop Vision".
The interior of the e-tron, while functional, appears to be an afterthought, and only begrudgingly filled to the minimum requirement because someone at PD nagged at them to or something. It looks very empty, with only some red carbon fibre pieces to make you feel aggressive like you're some psycho guinea pig.
The e-tron, given its Group X designation, is entirely useless in the game. I never would've spent my own hard earned credits to buy any Group X car not the Tomahawk X, but I was lucky enough to have both the EV and IC versions of this car from Daily Workout. I can say from taking about 2 corners in the IC version that it's irredeemable garbage and no one should drive it, but I wound up liking the e-tron a lot more than I thought I would ever like a Group X car. I didn't know this car existed for real prior today, and the seriously impressive driving dynamics of it makes it feel fictional.
In spite of the fact that it exists, it still struggles to shed that aura of "...so what?", that defines every fictional, VGT car in the game. It's hard to say for sure what it is, what it's meant to be, and what it's meant to do, and therefore is quite difficult to judge. Is it a Le Mans GTE racer? Is it more akin to LMP1? Maybe even a GT3 when de-tuned? Is it slated for production? How many elements on the car that we see on this car will be eligible, and therefore retained for the racing classes I've mentioned? If it's supposed to hint towards a future production car, will we see the same aggressive aero bits on the road car? The gigantic NACA duct on the roof? The svelte aerodynamic side mirrors? The striking stacks of lights and canards? What will the range on a triple motor car be like? Will be it an R8 derivative, or a standalone car?
Not being able to answer any of these questions, the e-tron VGT looks as much as a package of empty promises and an exercise of ego-waving as any other VGT in the game, existing or not. Coupled with its damning into Group X in this game, this is a car that's a quick hoot to drive once, and will probably never see use again after from me.
As a small aside, there's a weird oddity in how this car engages reverse that I'm not sure if it's a bug; on my Logitech G29, you can usually downshift from 1st into Reverse at a standstill, or you can press Triangle to instantly go into reverse at any speed. Oddly, pressing Triangle in the e-tron makes it drive forward. Tapping the downshift paddle does drop it into Reverse, but the moment you touch the gas, the car goes right back into Drive. The only way I've found to go backwards in the e-tron is to hold the downshift paddle. I've legitimately never seen this before in any other car, but I can't say I actively try out each car's reverse gear, either. Can anyone else share their experiences with reversing this car?
Also, Waffles, that Horse Thief Mile is the single best race in motorsport history. Tense starts, action packed from start to end, dramatic finishes, fast cars... what more could you want? I just want to make it clear that I didn't vote for that track, and the ONE vote for Horse Thief Mile won the lottery.
I was laughing from practice to well after the race was over!
My second favorite VGT after the Mazda LM55. I love it so much that it had to be featured in my story... and will make a return soon.
It's better to drive than its Gr.1 counterpart, and it's also very useful in the VGT events. It can be unsettling when braking sometimes, but overall a worthy addition to the game. It can keep pace with the Gr.1 cars as well.
Well, not quite..
While the Audi had a single example created for rides and showcases, the Fittipaldi actually got put into production. Only 39 were made, one for each F1 and Indycar victory of Fittipaldi's.
Doh. I forget the Fittipaldi is actually a VGT (because I know it exists... hoo boy). Thanks for pointing that out!
There's no rule or expectation for choosing stellar cars in COTW, to my understanding. Personally, not knowing if the car is good or not is a very big part of why I want to continue being a part of COTW, because sometimes I'm reminded of how bad the cars are, and sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised (like this week). I also love the discussion we get to have, and sometimes I do come around somewhat (like with the R32). So there's no reason to feel bad. Besides, some cars really need to be driven to fully appreciate how bad they are.
That's literally the point of this club!
You newer folk should have seen some of the races we had back in GT6, in such wacky vehicles as the Audi Auto Union type C, Honda Z Act, Toyota Aqua.. good times!