Cars with "Fixed" Front Downforce?

[Bludragon]

I usually run in a room with streetcars only, and our general rule of what defines a street car is no adjustable front downforce as that usually makes it unfair to the other cars who don't have it. Recently I have begun to notice ( I'm sure it has always been there I just haven't noticed it before) some street cars actually have a 'fixed' non adjustable front downforce setting. Below I will try to list the ones I already know of. If you see any I have missed, please add the car and the downforce on it. Thanks.

McLaren F1 FRF=20
Ferrari 430 Scuderia FRF=15
Ferrari California FRF=15
Ferrari SP1 FRF=15
Viper SRT10 ACR FDF=10
Ferrari 458 Italia FRF=10
Audi R8 4.2 FSI R Tronic FRF=10
Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro FRF=10
Lambo Murcielago FRF=5
Gran Turismo 350z RS FRF=5
Ferrari Enzo FRF=2
Nissan GT-R SpecV FRF=2

Jaguar XJ220 FRF=20
​

All the cars on this list so far are premiums except for the bottom Jag. If anyone knows of more I have not listed, please reply thanks

It seems the only 350Z in game with fixed front downforce is the Gran Turismo one, and it's only at 5. When I started looking at these I was thinking cars like the NSX and GT-R would have high fixed front downforce, but only the GT-R has it and it is only at 2, wondering really what good a 2 helps. But the McLaren and XJ220 have fixed 20. I can really tell it on the McLaren, not sure why but the XJ220 still doesn't seem to be that great of a vehicle even with the fixed front downforce, maybe it's just my tune.

 

[eran0004]

So it's not just me then...

Got in a silly discussion online over this. The host said "no front downforce", then someone got an Audi R8 and I said that it has front downforce. The host said it's okay because it's not adjustable and I said okay. Then the guy in the R8 came onto me like I had accused him of cheating or something, said that he didn't fit any aero parts at all because he is such a pro and he doesn't need downforce to drive (unlike me, he kindly pointed out) and that I was not very intelligent (he chose other words to describe it). I replied that it's fine, that the host said that the car was okay and that the R8 comes with front downforce stock, it's nothing you need to buy and that he could check it himself if he did not believe me. He then ragequit and later he sent me a PM telling me what a wise-guy I am and that all Swedes are all the same and - that the R8 has no front downforce and that I should read the *** description of the car.

Maybe someone here knows how it is, does the R8 come with front downforce stock, or is the front downforce applied when you get a rear wing? I know that at least you can't see it until you fit a rear wing, but is it the rear wing that gives the front downforce as well, or is it only invisible in the settings menu until you get an adjustable wing?

 

[Tornado]

Maybe someone here knows how it is, does the R8 come with front downforce stock, or is the front downforce applied when you get a rear wing? I know that at least you can't see it until you fit a rear wing, but is it the rear wing that gives the front downforce as well, or is it only invisible in the settings menu until you get an adjustable wing?

The latter. All the wing does is make the downforce setting visible, and increase the rear downforce that was already there. Can be best shown by the cars that have adjustable downforce already that you can still add a spoiler to.

 

[ryzno]

Maybe someone here knows how it is, does the R8 come with front downforce stock, or is the front downforce applied when you get a rear wing? I know that at least you can't see it until you fit a rear wing, but is it the rear wing that gives the front downforce as well, or is it only invisible in the settings menu until you get an adjustable wing?

Ok, both the Audi R8's (5.2L & 4.2L) come with nonadjustable Front Down-force set at 10. Also you can not install a front end on both cars. And no the Down-force is already there (Rear Wing front Down-force)Yes, it is not visible until you install a rear wing. I'll give you an example on a car I used to figure this out: My 97EK has no front Down-force stock, I changed the front end still no Down-force, then I find a car that I can install extensions on and wa-la front down force.

So in conclusion, all of you were right to an extent. Host: Cars Stock, 2nd Player: Cars Stock no Adjustable Down-force, You: Car has Downforce. But all in all the car is a Street Car, Super Car but Street Car. Most Super Cars come with some kind of Front Down-force, if not as light as they are and as fast as they go they would take off strait into the air.

 

[BongRipz]

It seems the only 350Z in game with fixed front downforce is the Gran Turismo one, and it's only at 5. When I started looking at these I was thinking cars like the NSX and GT-R would have high fixed front downforce, but only the GT-R has it and it is only at 2, wondering really what good a 2 helps.

Its because of the front splitter. There are cars that SHOULD have this benefit but dont. Possibly they were overlooked for being standards, such as the Mustang Cobra R.

Anyway GTR Black Edition has +2 in the front and the Lambo Aventador has +5 in the front

 

[Tornado]

GT5's aerodynamic model is a complete mess in general, so I wouldn't take the cars with hard coded numbers with much salt.

 

[BlackTomcat]

Does anybody know if there is a way to view the downforce on cars you can't put a wing on?
For me it would be really interesting to find out, how much downforce cars like e.g. the Saleen have.
In reality it should be able to drive on the ceiling, in GT5 it handles like a drift car.

 

[Exorcet]

Does anybody know if there is a way to view the downforce on cars you can't put a wing on?
For me it would be really interesting to find out, how much downforce cars like e.g. the Saleen have.
In reality it should be able to drive on the ceiling, in GT5 it handles like a drift car.

Based on how the Saleen drives, probably negative downforce.

If you want to find downforce numbers, take a car with known downforce, drive it around a constant radius, fairly high speed turn (like GVS tunnel) and record the g load at two different speeds (like 75 and 150 mph). The g load should grow similarly for cars with similar downforce and weight.

You can actually try to back out real numbers (lbs of downforce) from GT5 if you want to do some math, I did it for the 908. I don't really have any real numbers to compare them to though.