Changes / Suggestions

[Duck]

We always talk about how many "cavalli" a car has... Never heard anybody talking about KW
The Wizard.

For not-italians CV=cavalli vapore (horse power) is an european (introduced by french in 17xx) unit for power.
Not heard about kW? Buy "Al Volante" or "Quattroruote" instead!!!!
Power is declared in CV and kW

Thanks for the kg converter 👍

Seriously: the leaderboard is dying below the F1 times. I said it last week. In a short time will have plenty of Nur entries for F1 and black lm cars.
Suggestion: add (by default?) a filter for multiple entries. I wanna see only ONE Polyphony F1 with C5 tires, ONE Toyota TS020 with C# tires etc.

Sugg. #2
Filter tuned cars. The form could have a check for "tuned". If marked, the guy has to enter power and mass, if not use the default in your inner database. If building a car mass&power database is discouraging, just introduce the filter.

Also, I find the form discouraging.
There are too many steps to add an entry. How can I add my daily 10-30 lap records?
Sugg. #3 In the form, add a [Submit your times] button in the high side of the page. Few people imho add notes.

Can someone give me a word concerning why:
- I have to add Transmission, Drive train, game version if imho this doesn't affect performance (does anyone use AT? Can drive train be changed? PAL cars are slower?)
- ASM/TCS are on by default (imho I think is logical to do it, faster cars have it; leave it on by error is less dangerous than check it off)
- Japanese NTCS is on by default. I think US NTCS could be better for most users 👎

I think that simpler could be better...

 

[Small_Fryz]

Iagree,

Jordan you have a look at gt3 times and gt.de, as they are more streamlined and refined (of course as they have had yonks to develop). But im sure in 6mths time or so GTP learderboards will be kicking alone nicely.

I also think the leaderboards should be like a stand alone thing, seperate to the forum pages, just like gt times and gt.de.

 

[NoQuarter]

Jordan, could you please add the ability to have attachments in the Verification Forums. As I understand it, a driver can post a thread there with the link to his/her Leaderbaord entry, and the ability to attach the replay will help streamline the Verfication process.

 

[Duck]

For not-italians CV=cavalli vapore (horse power) is an european (introduced by french in 17xx) unit for power.
Not heard about kW? Buy "Al Volante" or "Quattroruote" instead!!!!
Power is declared in CV and kW

Thanks for the kg converter 👍

Seriously: the leaderboard is dying below the F1 times. I said it last week. In a short time will have plenty of Nur entries for F1 and black lm cars.
Suggestion: add (by default?) a filter for multiple entries. I wanna see only ONE Polyphony F1 with C5 tires, ONE Toyota TS020 with C# tires etc.

Sugg. #2
Filter tuned cars. The form could have a check for "tuned". If marked, the guy has to enter power and mass, if not use the default in your inner database. If building a car mass&power database is discouraging, just introduce the filter.

Also, I find the form discouraging.
There are too many steps to add an entry. How can I add my daily 10-30 lap records?
Sugg. #3 In the form, add a [Submit your times] button in the high side of the page. Few people imho add notes.

Can someone give me a word concerning why:
- I have to add Transmission, Drive train, game version if imho this doesn't affect performance (does anyone use AT? Can drive train be changed? PAL cars are slower?)
- ASM/TCS are on by default (imho I think is logical to do it, faster cars have it; leave it on by error is less dangerous than check it off)
- Japanese NTCS is on by default. I think US NTCS could be better for most users 👎

I think that simpler could be better...

To admins: no comments yet?

 

[Eric.]

Jordan, I just noticed Kashiwa is still in GT Mode - Circuit Practice. Apparently you only changed it in Arcade Time Trials.

 

[Iceman]

Is there any place to request a replay? I'd like to see a replay for this top time https://www.gtplanet.net/index.php?categoryid=39&p99_gameid=4&p99_trackid=104.

 

[NoQuarter]

Once the Verification Forum is fully and properly functional, I'm hoping that all will be able to at least download posted replays...

 

[TMM]

No news on the GT1 & GT2 leaderboards. Have they been removed for good?

 

[Blackbird.]

Possibly an edit button? I mean you could have many different (faster) laps after already putting up one.

 

[NoQuarter]

Actually, you can edit your times, as Old Geezer points out here, along with how to do so...

 

[Blackbird.]

Thanks. I thought it would be an obvious problem that would have been pointed out already but I posted anyways.

 

[Jordan]

Seriously: the leaderboard is dying below the F1 times. I said it last week. In a short time will have plenty of Nur entries for F1 and black lm cars.
Suggestion: add (by default?) a filter for multiple entries. I wanna see only ONE Polyphony F1 with C5 tires, ONE Toyota TS020 with C# tires etc.

The filter is something that will be added in due time. I just can't afford the money right now to pay for the programmer to make such dramatic alterations in the code.

Filter tuned cars. The form could have a check for "tuned". If marked, the guy has to enter power and mass, if not use the default in your inner database. If building a car mass&power database is discouraging, just introduce the filter.

All of the "tuning" options are already completely optional fields.

Also, I find the form discouraging.
There are too many steps to add an entry. How can I add my daily 10-30 lap records?

Too many steps, or too many fields? If you want to have a Leaderboard which displays a lot of information, you've got to have all that information submitted along with each time. As long as you've got the information for the car, you should be able to post a time in under a minute.

Sugg. #3 In the form, add a [Submit your times] button in the high side of the page. Few people imho add notes.

That's not good web design - how often do you find a form "Submit" button on the side of a web page, just so the user doesn't have to scroll down a few lines? Most people would be unable to find the button at all, and users with small screen resolutions would be forced to scroll horizontally to see the button.

I have to add Transmission, Drive train, game version if imho this doesn't affect performance (does anyone use AT? Can drive train be changed? PAL cars are slower?)

Jordan you have a look at gt3 times and gt.de, as they are more streamlined and refined (of course as they have had yonks to develop). But im sure in 6mths time or so GTP learderboards will be kicking alone nicely.

Perhaps that is why I'm having such difficulty in creating something that you guys like - I find gt.de very confusing, illogical, and difficult to use. The "filtering" must be a great thing, but I can't figure out how to use it. GT3times is the only site which does have a robust filtering mechanism. However, it seems to be lacking in many of the details that I've tried to cover in the Leaderboards (which people complain about).

No news on the GT1 & GT2 leaderboards. Have they been removed for good?

Yes. One system simply cannot accomodate more than one game.

 

[FLK]

As already mentioned could the times be split by car class. I think one way is to divide the classes is into F1, Race cars & production class. The production class could also be further split into untuned and tuned.

It would add a bit more variety to the timesheets that are dominated by F1 and race cars

 

[rockthing]

Thanks a lot for providing this fastest times data base.
I've really been looking forward to something like this.
As you can see, I'm only an occasional visitor to the site,
but I get here when I can.

I think the DB is great.
I'm really happy about all of the fields for settings and mods.
That's something I missed in the gt3times db.

I noticed that the most recent post here in the Changes / Suggestions
thread was from way back on May 28 or so.

Perhaps I'm arriving at this too late.

Since this is a "Changes / Suggestions" topic I have to mention that
I'm not finding Citta d'Aria reversed or Motorland not reversed.
I'm using kind of old technology here, so it could be a local problem.

Everything else is very cool. I wont' be able to submit my times for verification
just yet (see comment above about technology), but I'm a bottom feeder when
it comes to fast times. I'd just like to see some of my favorite cars on the board.
I hope that is considered honorable. I saw some people lamenting that there were few times below the F1 cars, so I am guessing these 'slow car' times are welcome.

I realize the db isn't perfect, but it's still darn good.
Of course requiring replays would be the only way to make it perfect,
but that limits people (like me) with technology deficiencies.

All of the required fields DO have a kind of 'annoying' factor, but
you should NOT change them. Detail is good.
I have been taking pretty detailed notes in my journal about cars and races,
so I thought, but I never kept track of weight. I had to go back and find this info
in the game. Not so much trouble really. It's good for the db.
At least one of my cars got lighter along the way, but I suppose if there's an
error it should be toward being too light. Just makes me look slower.

A question;
Are race times not included because of the slipstreaming factor?
Or
Would that require including all of the championships in the db too?
Some of my fastest laps were made during races...

Am I wrong? I thought that real tracks included race times in their track records.
I don't have much time to follow real racing these days...

I hope more people become uninhibited about posting their 'slow car' times.
It's fun to compare those too, I think.

Again, thanks for putting the data base up.
I guess people are still using it...

 

[rockthing]

I dont' mean to cause anyone stress over this, but as long as I'm putting times into the database I'd like to be doing it 'right'. I CAN find the DB, enter, edit and delete my times. I have NO PROBLEMS with the data base itself.

I'm concerned with the power rating paradigm.
If the rotating car screen and the data sheet for selling cars is considered up to standard for power ratings then you can ignore the rest of this post. It will be meaningless.

However, if the 'replay' screen is to be adopted as the standard then I'd like to bring up the following point in a rather round about way, which is the way I seem to not be able to help but do things.

I'm coming into this WAY late, but as far as I can tell the NTSC-J version doesn't display the power and weight values at the beginning of the replay in GT mode.
I've been going over old replays all night trying to find this display.
I have searched, but it's a rather peculiar topic addressed with varying vocabulary. It's difficult to match all the terms together.

In Arcade mode I see that the power and weight and tires are all displayed prominantly at the beginning and end of the race. I've seen nothing of the sort for GT-mode.

I saw some screen shots with the power and weight listed on the same line as the car name, between the 'session record' and the track name, but in my NTSC-J game there is only the car name...

After entering a 'Free Run' there is a black bar at the top of the screen with 'Year' 'Type' 'Power' and 'Torque' (!), but no weight. Below this black bar is the screen mentioned in the previous paragraph.

I also saw that, for instance, the power on my Alpine A310 was listed at 151ps in the settings menu (the same number looking at the small or the big graph) with the NA Tune1, but when I exited the 'settings' menu the power at the top of the screen, in the black bar read 125ps...

Is this black bar across the top of the screen the same location that The Wizard is talking about when TW says 'at the beginning of the replay'? Or is The Wizard talking soley about Arcade mode? Or does TW mean the text across the middle of the screen between the track name and 'session record'? In the quote below TW mentions the 'Options' menu. I don't see much of anything in the 'Options' menu that affects power in a 'Free Run''. This makes me believe that Arcade mode is being discussed.

Again, I'm having NO TROUBLE using the database, but I'd just like to clarify the power rating issue and possibly point out the difference in display data.

Interest in this Data Base seems to have dropped off in the last month.
Is it still in effect?
Is it to be scrapped?
I see a lot of people posting times +alpha in the 'Leaderboard Forum', but not much activity on the Leaderboard Database itself...

I went nuts leaping way before I looked and just posted a bunch of 'decent' times that I've been keeping track of on my own (some notes are not as complete as they should be) with the intention of just putting up 'benchmarks' to get people to post a better time (easily done) with the car I used...(again I don't know if this is welcome, but I'll delete them myself if someone tells me I'm crashing the party)

I keep thinking that I've just missed something or misread something that is right in front of my face...

best of luck,

The Settings screen does not reflect the real value. I think the value shown on the Replay, at the beginning of it, is the one that should be used.

I just made a Guide (hopefully the moderators will let it through) that explains that the Power value shown on the Power and Torque Graph (top right corner, inside the Settings screen) does not reflect the units chosen in the Options menu. The units appended to the value change, but the number itself stays always the same. That value is in PS. The only way of viewing the Power in the correct units (the ones chosen in the Options menu) is either go to the Car Screen (where you can see the car rotating), go to the Sell Screen, or bring up the bigger version of the Power and Torque Graph (in the Settings screen, by pressing Start).

The value shown at the beginning of the Replay reflects the units chosen in the Options menu, and is the real amount of power the car had while the racer was making the lap, therefore, in my opinion, should be the right one to use.

EDIT:


I have just made a Guide about it, it will be posted (if the moderators let it through) in the general GT4 Forum.

The Wizard.

 

[michaeldenham]

I've been lapping in slow cars at the 'Ring lately and adding a couple of times to the list. The only trouble I have been having is clicking 'next page' 10 times to see the times I'm interested in. If it would be possible to change to something more like we use on the forum, that would be fantastic. Thanks.

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[ZAGGIN]

ive had a quick scan through the posts here, and ive noticed that there has been no discussion on the separation of car types. why are F1's, LMPs, and race cars on the same table as production cars?

i personally dont drive the faster cars, instead prefering to drive slower cars. id like to compare my times in, say a stcok skyline against others who drive a stock skyline, and see how well it would stand up. at present, i have to click through umpteen pages to get to the bottom of the tables, when it would be better if you could just look at a separate table for F1, LMP, race car, sports car, and production cars. is there any way that you can fix that?

i believe that it would add a great deal to the leaderboard as it would encourage people to try and top all of the tables in all race catagories, something that would be a lot harder than just hammering every track in the fastest car. gran turismo caters for all levels and abilities, and i believe the leaderboard should too.

 

[michaeldenham]

at present, i have to click through umpteen pages to get to the bottom of the tables

Glad I'm not the only one finding this frustrating! Hopefully something can be done about this, because I'm really excited about driving road cars around the Ring, but then I am not so keen when I think of how long it takes to check out how I compare on the leaderboard at the moment.

 

[sucahyo]

Is it already too late to change the database structure?

If it can be change this is what I suggest:
database consist of:
leaderboard = contain place to attach time
lbtime = contain time
lbcar = contain car to use
lbgame = contain header for spesific game
lbtire = contain tire combination for spesific game
lbdriver = contain the driver, not needed if integrated with vbulletin

leaderboard contain:
lbid = increment number
name
parentlbid = to create nested content, 0 for root
gameid = to link to lbgame, to specify what condition for display/query/etc.

lbtime contain:
lbtimeid = increment number
lbid = link to leaderboard
driverid = link to lbdriver or vbulletin user
carid = link to lbcar
tireid = link to lbtire

lbcar contain:
carid = increment number
gameid = link to lbgame
name
etc

the benefit of this is the system can contain many game.
submiting form is filtered by gameid, so only information relevant to specified game exist. track is placed on leaderboard table.
car can be search and linked to record.

this is what I do
I currently try to build mine to collect GT2 all lap info from gtplanet, still 10%.