CIA spy captured in Pakistan

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The American Raymond Davis was held for using excessive force against two would be "thieves" who were armed and pulled up in front of him at a red light. He fired 10 shots from a Glock semi-automatic pistol. He got out of his car and fired two shots into the back of a man as he fled, his body was 30ft from his motorbike. In other words, beyond self-defence. He is charged with murder.

America is saying he works as a diplomat, and so requires diplomatic immunity. But his role appears to be not so diplomatic.

A third man was crushed by an American vehicle rushing to the aid of Davis,
two me were on board and were armed and came from the same building where Davis lived. Officials beleive these were also CIA, the US has refused demands that they be interrogated and the two have escaped back to America. The men had the same diplomatic visas as Davis.

Davis is a former special forces soldier, Pakistan is aware of his CIA status and refuses to release him despite requests by the US, last week Obama sent their top diplomatic troubleshooter Senator John Kerry to Islamabad, he returned empty handed.
Pakistan says it needs until the 14th of March to decide on whether Davis is granted immunity (probably enough time to "extract" the truth out of him and about everything he has done as a spy).

Items found in Davis car:
An unlicensed pistol
A long range radio
A GPS device
An infra-red torch
A camera with photos of buildings around Lahore


US media had already found out Davis was linked to the CIA, but were under request to keep it secret by the Obama administration.

The matter is further complicated by the possibility that the two motorbike men were Pakistani spy intelligence agents (ISI). And they had orders to shadow Davis because he had crossed a "red line".
A senior police official confirmed US claims that the men were petty thieves, (Investigators found stolen mobiles, foreign currency and weapons on them) but did not rule out an intelligence link.

Davis is in jail in Lahore, Press reports have speculated that the authorities worry the US could try to spring Davis in a "Hollywood-style sting". "All measures for his security have been taken," said the ISI official. "He's as safe as can be." The prison has been ringed with paramilitary Punjab Rangers.
 
So the US has spies in Pakistan? Well, I'm shocked. I'm sure he opened fire on innocent civilians just to blow his cover, too.
 
Well, the story is really only one sided so let me speculate for a moment:

I think there's more to it than just a US spy using excessive force. I think the guys who were shot were more than just common robbers.

Another thing that concerns me is the all of the recent accusations against the US CIA office in Pakistan. To have a CIA agent "use excessive force" against some random robbers and then to get arrested by Pakistani officials makes me wonder if they were set up somehow. Pakistan has been reluctant about the US operating in their country from the outset of this whole terror war. It's not crazy to think they want the US out and they'd drum up whatever they can to start brewing controversy.

Naturally, the US is not going to let on what the agent was doing, let alone come clean that he was even an agent anyways, so I don't know what the big shocker is with Obama virtually saying nothing. I'm sure the British would do the same with an MI5 agent but then again MI5 agents don't get caught, do they blaaah?
 
The story already does say the 2 murdered men could have been ISI Pakistani intelligence agents, and they could have been shadowing him.

We could speculate they may have even wanted to kill him.
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As for me being an MI5 agent I couldn't possibly comment.
 
In the world of intelligence and espionage it's almost impossible to know enough to form an opinion. And forming a moral opinion about these matters is laughable. Which spy was more courteous or civil?
 
I don't think we are forming moral opinions. 2 people are dead, 1 injured, all caused by Americans on Pakistani territory.
All "confirmed" to be CIA, agents don't have immunity, they are executed or imprisoned for life, or exchanged for other high value agents or some political benefit.
Pakistan has 1 man in jail the other 2 escaped.
America has plenty of things to negotiate with though, it's just publicly annoying for them, and of course Pakistani intelligence don't like it.
 
The news has been updated, American press is now free to say the story I mentioned, as the Guardian paper in the UK published it anyway. The US has also now said Davis was attached to the CIA's Global Response Staff whose duties include protection of officers meeting sources. The CIA were tracking militants. Davis was doing some reconnaissance of the area which was risky. Presumably to provide adequate protection.
I said a 3rd Pakistani was injured by the American vehicle I should have said killed.
The US is fearing for Davis life while he is in jail. Staff guards have had their weapons taken, as previously inmates have been shot by the staff. They are also concerned his food will be poisoned or protesters will storm the building. The public hate the American security forces, especially the Blackwater/Xe company that Davis works/worked for. The complaint is that these security forces are lawless people wandering around targeting the countries nuclear capability.
He is in isolation with CCTV cameras trained on him, 25 Jihadi prisoners nearby have been relocated.
The US can easily convince the Pakistan government to release him, but the government has huge pressure from it's own people, they want him executed. The government fears what will happen if they just do what the Americans want.
I suppose if the Americans judged the risk of public unrest was high, they could just say "Ok go ahead and kill him".
 
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As for me being an MI5 agent I couldn't possibly comment.

Clever.

I think drivehard hit on something in that the public and media will never know the full details of a story like this so it's hard to form any opinion when the facts are either doctored or left unrevealed. It's just a bunch of spy games to outside observers and it's just embarrassing when one of your own gets caught. If the US can't get their boy extradited, I bet you they wouldn't mind an execution instead. Dead people don't reveal secrets, after all.

Personally, I'm surprised you didn't start a thread about the US agreeing to reveal the UK's nuclear secrets to Russia. Or maybe you posted it in the Wikileaks thread. That one was right up your alley, blaaah. We're all very disappointed. You're slacking in your thinly veiled America-hate threads.
 
I really want to know if the Pakastanian men who died were trying to rob the CIA agent??? Was he just out for a drive and ran up on and jacked?
 
A diplomatic visa means nothing when you've got an American Express.
 
Personally, I'm surprised you didn't start a thread about the US agreeing to reveal the UK's nuclear secrets to Russia. Or maybe you posted it in the Wikileaks thread. That one was right up your alley, blaaah. We're all very disappointed. You're slacking in your thinly veiled America-hate threads.

I'm thought I posted it somewhere. Also the Americans gave away all the UK Navy positions and movements to the Argentinians in the Falklands war, so the Argentine air-force could attack them knowing where they would be.
America is an easy target to pick on, that's not my fault. I don't have a problem complaining about and finding fault with many other countries or peoples, including my own. I'm not patriotic at all. If someone burnt a UK flag near me I would just complain about the smoke.
If I saw an American flag burnt I might laugh before complaining as I know it would annoy so many Americans which I think, unless it's just a myth that needs busting, are almost born and raised to love their country, a kind of brain washing? That could be the governments/law/tradition fault not the peoples of course. It's also important to bring down and pick on any authority, especially the most powerful ones. Anti-American sentiment is essential to this planet in case it needs to be harnessed to prevent global domination. When another country becomes the new super-power I expect the attention will very quickly change. If I was an American I might feel differently. Not because I would be patriotic but because the balance would be changed in my favour of having the benefits of being part of the powerful controlling country. My worries and concerns would be with China, as for me here in the UK, America or China being the superpower I don't have a preference, but it probably is China's turn at having a go. Play nicely.
 
When I got old enough to actually stop the remote control at C-SPAN I was immediately assualted by patriotism. I could write a book on all the deplorable things in my country of America. But if you burn the flag it's to the death.
 
Isn't the correct way to dispose of an old [American] flag is to burn it? (in some special way)
 
It's Pakistan?

I bet the top pakistani government cronies are demanding money in exchange for his release just so they can piss it all away.

Pakistan is really a failed state.
 
When I got old enough to actually stop the remote control at C-SPAN I was immediately assualted by patriotism. I could write a book on all the deplorable things in my country of America. But if you burn the flag it's to the death.

Are you a product of the Chicago public school system by chance?

I ask b/c I went to private schools while my younger sibling when to public schools...they tried to brainwash him with that crap too.
 
America is an easy target to pick on, that's not my fault. I don't have a problem complaining about and finding fault with many other countries or peoples, including my own. I'm not patriotic at all. If someone burnt a UK flag near me I would just complain about the smoke.
If I saw an American flag burnt I might laugh before complaining as I know it would annoy so many Americans which I think, unless it's just a myth that needs busting, are almost born and raised to love their country, a kind of brain washing? That could be the governments/law/tradition fault not the peoples of course. It's also important to bring down and pick on any authority, especially the most powerful ones. Anti-American sentiment is essential to this planet in case it needs to be harnessed to prevent global domination. When another country becomes the new super-power I expect the attention will very quickly change. If I was an American I might feel differently. Not because I would be patriotic but because the balance would be changed in my favour of having the benefits of being part of the powerful controlling country. My worries and concerns would be with China, as for me here in the UK, America or China being the superpower I don't have a preference, but it probably is China's turn at having a go. Play nicely.

I'm also not patriotic - even if I love my country! - but like the citizens of most countries in the world, I can't publicly burn my national flag if I happen to wish to, or I'll end up in jail.
In the US I would have the liberty to do so. Try that in Tiananmen Square!
 
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