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Communism and Socialism
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I'm old enough to witness the crimes of capitalism and imperialism
To call capitalism flawed is an understatement,while the official narration of socialism and the first step towards it,made by USSR is slandered greatly by the imperialist themselves.
As much as they want to convince us that the history stoped with capitalism,history itself has shown that it always moving forward.
To call capitalism flawed is an understatement,while the official narration of socialism and the first step towards it,made by USSR is slandered greatly by the imperialist themselves.
As much as they want to convince us that the history stoped with capitalism,history itself has shown that it always moving forward.
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Friday marks the 73rd anniversary of the Soviet mass deportations of tens of thousands of people from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania on March 25-28, 1949. Candles will be lit across Estonia on Friday evening in remembrance of the victims of Operation Priboi.
An installation will remain up in Tallinn's Freedom Square through Saturday night depicting the former border of the USSR together with the railway routes that took deportees to camps in Siberia. The railways and destinations are marked with red lights.
(Check the skyline how many buildings have yellow-blue colors in solidarity with Ukraine.)
EDIT: added pictures and some info about the memorial complex in Tallinn, Estonia.
Memorial to the victims of communism.
"The Path" is two black walls parallel to each other, forming a long corridor, symbolizing the ruthlessness of the totalitarian system. On the inside of both walls are engraved the names of 22 thousand people who died during the repression or deportation by the Soviet authorities. In the future, with the update of information about the dead, it is planned to supplement the "Path" with new names. On the outer side of the right wall there is a monument to Estonian career officers. The victims of Soviet repressions were 801 officers, which amounted to a quarter of the entire Estonian officer corps, who were shot or died in prisons and camps. Also, on this wall there are memorial plaques that tell in detail in three languages about the history of the repressions of the Soviet Union in Estonia, and granite stones, on which the main places where the inhabitants of Estonia were exiled are marked.
At the exit from the corridor is an apple orchard, symbolizing memories and longing for home. On the outer side of the wall are several thousand bees, which are also identified with the garden.
Wall with "bullet holes"
"Though thousands fall along the way,
thousands will live and will not stray.
The bees forget all care and worry,
as towards their hive they hurry."
(Part of "The bees fly to the hive" by Juhan Liiv)
Looks like an Estonian flag
An installation will remain up in Tallinn's Freedom Square through Saturday night depicting the former border of the USSR together with the railway routes that took deportees to camps in Siberia. The railways and destinations are marked with red lights.
(Check the skyline how many buildings have yellow-blue colors in solidarity with Ukraine.)
EDIT: added pictures and some info about the memorial complex in Tallinn, Estonia.
Memorial to the victims of communism.
"The Path" is two black walls parallel to each other, forming a long corridor, symbolizing the ruthlessness of the totalitarian system. On the inside of both walls are engraved the names of 22 thousand people who died during the repression or deportation by the Soviet authorities. In the future, with the update of information about the dead, it is planned to supplement the "Path" with new names. On the outer side of the right wall there is a monument to Estonian career officers. The victims of Soviet repressions were 801 officers, which amounted to a quarter of the entire Estonian officer corps, who were shot or died in prisons and camps. Also, on this wall there are memorial plaques that tell in detail in three languages about the history of the repressions of the Soviet Union in Estonia, and granite stones, on which the main places where the inhabitants of Estonia were exiled are marked.
At the exit from the corridor is an apple orchard, symbolizing memories and longing for home. On the outer side of the wall are several thousand bees, which are also identified with the garden.
Wall with "bullet holes"
"Though thousands fall along the way,
thousands will live and will not stray.
The bees forget all care and worry,
as towards their hive they hurry."
(Part of "The bees fly to the hive" by Juhan Liiv)
Looks like an Estonian flag
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- Othershidapu
Friday marks the 73rd anniversary of the Soviet mass deportations of tens of thousands of people from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania on March 25-28, 1949. Candles will be lit across Estonia on Friday evening in remembrance of the victims of Operation Priboi.
An installation will remain up in Tallinn's Freedom Square through Saturday night depicting the former border of the USSR together with the railway routes that took deportees to camps in Siberia. The railways and destinations are marked with red lights.
(Check the skyline how many buildings have yellow-blue colors in solidarity with Ukraine.)
Oh you mean those guys...poor little nazis..
Who were the ‘Forest Brothers’: The thorn in the Soviets’ side?
The partisan movement still divides opinion today and continues to stoke tensions between Russia and the Baltic states.
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From 2017
Anti-communist parades and new dirty plans
In the dirty and unscientific "line" of rewriting history and the equation of Nazism with communism, which is also an official policy of the EU, next Wednesday, 23/8, in Tallinn, Estonia, the anti-communist events are being prepared - the victims of communism and Nazism ", as shamelessly propagandized by the Estonian government, which holds the Presidency of the Council of the EU this semester.
Since 2/4/2009, the European Parliament has adopted a resolution declaring August 23rd as a pan-European Remembrance Day "for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes" . Since then, such "commemorative events" take place every year in different European capitals, while "programs" are generalized in municipalities, schools, universities and all kinds of institutions, which with the help of EU money try to rewrite history to the measures of the capitalists, aiming to throw mud at socialism and workers' power, the perspective of the peoples, at the same time "washing away" Nazism and of course capitalism itself, whose authentic "child" is Nazism.
It is worth noting that in recent days it is said that a new "initiative" is expected at the level of the Council of Europe to equate communism - Nazism, following a previous attempt that had failed, after the militant mobilization of the KKE, other Communists and Labor Parties, mass organizations and organizations.
In this context, according to the program of the Estonian presidency, next Wednesday, organized by the Estonian Ministry of Justice and the "Institute of Historical Memory" of Estonia, a fiesta will be held in Tallinn, which will include a meeting of justice ministers or representatives of ministries. In the afternoon of the same day, a conference is scheduled where the keynote speaker will be the Estonian MEP and member of the Board of Directors of the " European Memory and Consciousness Platform", Tunne Kelam.
The "Platform" was founded in 2011 in Prague. It currently includes 55 public and private organizations from 19 countries, 13 EU member states (Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, the Netherlands, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Romania, Bulgaria), Ukraine, , Iceland, Albania, Canada and the USA, which are officially "engaged in research, documentation, awareness-raising and education on totalitarian regimes in 20th century Europe" . Their anti-communist parades close at night with the ... art exhibition " Communism in its Time".
Estonia, like the Baltic states as a whole, where the activities of the Communist Parties are banned or restricted, play a leading role in the purge of Nazism, always with the blessings of the EU, whose official ideology is anti-communism. A monument to the Nazis has been erected in the country, on the initiative of the "Association of Freedom Fighters", as the Estonian association that served in the Hitler SS was called. September 22nd, the day the capital Tallinn was liberated by the Red Army, has been declared a "day of mourning"! On this day, "inappropriate demonstrations" are banned, which means "silence with a bat" to anyone who wants to honor the liberation of the country from the Nazis, as was done in the past at the monument to the Soviet soldier - liberator.
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Um... I haven't seen any anti-communist parades... this article reeks of propaganda.
For your information, we still have a WWII monument for soldiers that fought against Nazis that is placed on a military cemetery, we still have a big memorial complex with soviet graves, we still have the Victory Day of 9th May celebrations, Nazi symbols are banned...
And we still have a Soviet star on a building in the city center.
Our cultural and economic ties with Russia were pretty good before the war in Ukraine started. Even now our president says that it's not Russia's war but it's Putin's war. We don't want any conflicts. Many Russians live and visit Estonia.
Our WWII memorials usually have the graves of both sides to remember the horrors of war. And we also have a "Museum of Occupation" because Estonia doesn't want to be occupied anymore by anyone.
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- Simcoeace
Depends on whose constitution. The US never had jackbooted Nazi or Communist marching through murdering women & children, so a very different situation.
Depends on whose communism. It's not clear if Shidapu is a Stalinist, a Trotskyite, a neo-Marxist ... or some other flavour of communist. It's also hard to figure out the precise motivation behind the American Right's new found admiration for Putin. These are confusing times.
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Check out the first sentence you quoted. I'm not aware of any country in which expression is protected as robustly as it is in mine.
In the United States, people get to bear Nazi symbols. You'd better believe that I find that form of expression contemptible, but that it isn't punishable by state action is something I wouldn't change for anything. Jackbooted Nazi or [c]ommunist marching, however contemptible one may find that, can't be reasonably said to be harmful. Murdering women and children is harmful.
I think you're probably aware that there was a time in the United States when the scourge of communism was so feared that expression in support of it was punished by direct state action as well as state influenced private action. As much as I disapprove of communism, I find that history abhorrent. I'm thankful that it's history, and for the actions of the United States Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren (specifically decisions in Cole, Slochower, and Yates), and of others, to make it so. I think had there been a significant Nazi presence in the United States prior to the Red Scare, it could have very easily resulted in state action to affect suppression of support much like that of McCarthyism, and that would have been bad.
Disagree. A communist government is necessarily authoritarian and authoritarian governments may be authoritarian in other ways (including those that make them genocidal dictatorships, to refer back to earlier discussion that @Shidapu made an effort to avoid), but those aren't communism. Authoritarian governments may also not be communist.
Disagree. The right's authoritarian boner seems thrust balls deep in the disdain for shifting social norms and the presumption that the shift has occurred under a light hand, so a heavy hand is needed to get things back to the way they desire. They've observed how other authoritarians have been able to halt or prevent similar shifts and **** if they don't want a piece of that.
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