Depression and Anxiety Thread

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Has anyone ever felt....completely rejected by everyone and everything?

Yeah, I get that quite often. I couldn't connect with people in school, though I did understand them. I felt that I could connect to them, but they couldn't to me. It doesn't help that I am very introverted, and I still am now that I graduated. And plus, I was not trying to fit in. Not molding into their image, but sometimes it did feel that I had to if i wanted to get noticed. If I tried to, I don't think it'll work out in the end because I always get the nagging feeling that my opinions don't matter that much.
 
Has anyone ever felt....completely rejected by everyone and everything?
Absolutely! And sometimes I still do although it's probably only in my mind and not true. I even have this feeling here on GTP.

Years ago, this wasn't in my mind. When I was bullied, a few friends of mine sometimes rejected me, left me alone and I started looking for them. Afterwards, when I couldn't find them, they came out and started laughing at me.

Pfff, I'm sitting here shaking and feeling like crap. I have to stop and close GTP.
 
I was wondering, how do you all deal with a day, or multiple days, when you feel absolutely awful, and how does it effect your day?
 
I was wondering, how do you all deal with a day, or multiple days, when you feel absolutely awful, and how does it effect your day?
For me, I try to stay positive but in the inside I still have that feeling where I could care less if you were happy. It goes away if I talk to someone I genuinely have a friendship with.
 
I went to the doctor yesterday. I was expecting some advice on dealing with work and help finding a psychiatrist.

Instead, she prescribed me citalopram and gave me a week off from work. That was sort of a shock.

I took the first dose this morning. I've been in a good mood since I left the doctors, and probably will be on my week off, so it might be hard to tell what effect it has until I go back to work next Monday. I finally feel like I'm dealing with things.
 
I was wondering, how do you all deal with a day, or multiple days, when you feel absolutely awful, and how does it effect your day?

I switch to robot mode, which means I focus on the work I have to do and suppress all my emotions. Its like locking my my soft and squishy self away and let my tough, logical and unemotional self take over to do what must be done.
I've been doing that for many years and thats pretty much the only way I can get things done anymore. I find it really exhausting sometimes but what else can I do?
 
I switch to robot mode, which means I focus on the work I have to do and suppress all my emotions. Its like locking my my soft and squishy self away and let my tough, logical and unemotional self take over to do what must be done.
I've been doing that for many years and thats pretty much the only way I can get things done anymore. I find it really exhausting sometimes but what else can I do?
This happened to me for the majority of the week. I ended up causing problems with someone I really care about. It sucks because I seriously cannot help it.
 
Y'all mind if I park here for a while :sly:

Yeah, this spring break has been absolutely awful. I don't feel like being anywhere which is weird. I've sorta regurgitated to shutting myself off of everyone and everything and it's like, I don't want to, I genuinely don't, but I can't do anything about it. I get the feeling if I hear or read specific words or names of things I'll just slip further down the rabbit hole.

I mean, I have hope I'll eventually be fine, but I guess in the meanwhile it hasn't been pretty. But luckily a while ago I went to my Uni's psychological services and I'm meeting with them in two weeks so I'm wondering what they're gonna say is wrong with me :indiff: (and for the record, I made an appointment like a month ago, never cancelled it even though I was feeling better but damn, I could really use it now).
 
I think I'm having my first mental breakdown right now. I'm just sitting in front of my computer crying and looking at web articles about suicide. I just feel completely overwhelmed right now and just don't know where to go with my life and what to do with it :(
 
Has anyone ever felt....completely rejected by everyone and everything?
Both in Real Life and GTPlanet for sure. I always feel like unloved, hated and that no one cares about me. Even though some of my childhood friends, teachers and parts of my family says otherwise and that I'm a great person, I feel like they simply lying about it just so i don't react in a rude way against them.

I also have certain fear and worry of talking to anyone who isn't my parents especially towards strangers. I just don't have enough confidence in myself and believe I'm a massive failure. I believe i don't have any future. I look at others and think how they seems to be "enjoying" their life while I'm not. I feel guilty for all the past mistakes I did. Everytime i want to talk to someone, i feel like i'm annoying him/her and therefore just end up feeling the needs to say sorry everytime.
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On the plus side, I have been a lot better recently. I slowly started to get engaged and sometimes hang out with some of my old friends and class mates. I got happier to the point I started to enjoy going to school a bit more without worrying too much about my problems.
 
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Both in Real Life and GTPlanet for sure. I always feel like unloved, hated and that no one cares about me. Even though some of my childhood friends, teachers and parts of my family says otherwise and that I'm a great person, I feel like they simply lying about it just so i don't react in a rude way against them.

I also have certain fear and worry of talking to anyone who isn't my parents especially towards strangers. I just don't have enough confidence in myself and believe I'm a massive failure. I believe i don't have any future. I look at others and think how they seems to be "enjoying" their life while I'm not. I feel guilty for all the past mistakes I did.
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On the plus side, I have been a lot better recently. I slowly started to get engaged and sometimes hang out with some of my old friends and class mates. I got happier to the point I started to enjoy going to school a bit more without worrying too much about my problems.
I'm glad you're doing better. I've had similar feelings in the past. It's hard not to compare yourself to others, and I still struggle with it.

On the plus side, I've been on SSRIs for over a week now with no particularly concerning side-effects. I have had lower energy and it's harder for me to get up and do things. I've also had a little nausea. But even though I haven't gotten as much done this week as I would have liked to, I don't feel down on myself or anxious about the future, at least not nearly as much as I was. Of course, it'll only be when I get back to work that I'll know how much of an effect it's really had.

In other news, I have a date scheduled for tomorrow. So that's something. :D
 
I think I'm having my first mental breakdown right now. I'm just sitting in front of my computer crying and looking at web articles about suicide. I just feel completely overwhelmed right now and just don't know where to go with my life and what to do with it :(
I haven't read through this thread so apologies if you've already said this before, but are you speaking to your doctor, family or friends about how you're feeling?

All I can say is that feeling like you don't know where to go with your life is not unusual at all - it's totally normal for most people I know. I've felt like that at times, and if someone were to press me hard enough I'd struggle to tell you exactly where (if anywhere) I was headed right now - the point being though that you don't need to have an answer to that question in order for new things to come your way.
 
I haven't read through this thread so apologies if you've already said this before, but are you speaking to your doctor, family or friends about how you're feeling?
No, I don't really speak to anyone. I haven't seen my doctor since I don't know how many years (never really was any help anyway, since I can't open myself to others face to face). I don't talk about this with my parents either, because they wouldn't stop telling me to go to a doctor and back in therapy. As for friends, I only texted a former workmate (we both did our apprenticeship in a workshop for youths with disabilities. Both because of depressions), but that's it. Don't have any friends that I could meet up with in real life.
 
I guess 'talking about it' means different things to different people. A very good friend of mine who has struggled with depression all his life didn't really want to talk about depression, he just wanted someone to talk to in general - it was very difficult for him and he attempted suicide at least once, but he also did the opposite and attempted things that he didn't think were possible before; just speaking to people (no doubt dealing with a bunch of assholes and rejections along the way) but in general he found it worked out for him... he also had a real difficulty with the professional help he sought, but at the end of the day he got through it by a mixture of professional help (minimal) and confiding in friends and family. Thankfully, friends nowadays are just a click away.
 
No, I don't really speak to anyone. I haven't seen my doctor since I don't know how many years (never really was any help anyway, since I can't open myself to others face to face). I don't talk about this with my parents either, because they wouldn't stop telling me to go to a doctor and back in therapy. As for friends, I only texted a former workmate (we both did our apprenticeship in a workshop for youths with disabilities. Both because of depressions), but that's it. Don't have any friends that I could meet up with in real life.

As someone who has gone through a few crappy doctors, if you're not comfortable seeing your doctor don't go and see them. If you'd be comfortable seeing another doctor (myself, I'm much more comfortable talking about personal stuff with complete strangers) then that might be an option, but again if you're not comfortable then don't do it.

It's really tough where you're at right now, but what can make it even tougher is the expectation that we continue to function normally. Be that from others or from ourselves. You're ill. You don't have to be normal, or even get by. If you had two broken legs nobody would expect you to carry on as normal, but because mental illness is so hard to see it tends to get brushed off.

If all you can do today is stay in bed, that's fine. If you're reading the internet and crying all day, that's fine. You are ill, and it's not your fault. All you have to do is get through the day, however you can.

Every so often you'll have a day that's slightly better than the others, and that's when you might want to make a move to make some progress on controlling the illness. There are ways to do this without necessarily seeing other people or a doctor, although obviously that's preferred.

St. John's Wort is a mild anti-depressant that is often effective and available without prescription from pharmacies and supermarkets in most countries.
Fish oil can be quite helpful if taken in large enough quantities. (Not fish LIVER oil, that's bad in high quantities.) You can't really take too much, you'll just make yourself feel sick because you ate so much oil. Look on the label and see the content of EPA and DHA, they are what you're interested in. They'll be listed in milligrams, but I've taken between 3 and 6 grams and had good effects. My brother and his partner have had the same. Your mileage may vary, but my doctor says it's often effective.
People will mock multi-vitamins, but if you're deficient in something it may help. Of course, it would be nice to know exactly what you're deficient in and get that, but a multi-vitamin hits everything at once and may help you get a bit more functional.
Fructose can be effective. It has some anti-inflammatory effect, which can reduce depression symptoms at least. I know it can be hard or impossible to eat when depressed, but if you can get some fruity sugar in it may help.
I find a magnesium supplement can be helpful just to take the edge off. Don't get magnesium oxide, get any other salt. Magnesium oxide is barely soluble, so not that much of it actually gets absorbed into the body.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I hope the last couple of days have been all right for you. Don't give up.
 
(myself, I'm much more comfortable talking about personal stuff with complete strangers)
Same for me. I guess I could get the "best results" with doctors if they would offer some kind of online therapy or by trying to write everything down on paper and just hand it over to them. Thought later one would still require speaking with them face to face after they read it.

Medicine isn't really an option for me. I had side effects from switching anti-depressant once and since than I'm avoiding any kind of medicine. But I will have a look at the fish oil (even if it sounds a bit gross, imo).
 
This might not be related to depression but I almost always try to avoid talking about things related to me at the dinner table because at some point my family will just start talking negative things about me like how I don't to certain things etc. It usually puts me in a bad mood.

Sometimes when I play videogames by myself I end up thinking about bad things and it always causes me to take an unintentional break because it puts me in a bad mood and makes me lose concentration.
 
Same for me. I guess I could get the "best results" with doctors if they would offer some kind of online therapy or by trying to write everything down on paper and just hand it over to them. Thought later one would still require speaking with them face to face after they read it.

A good doctor will be fine with this. It's actually what I do, because my depression gives me serious memory problems and so I have to write everything down or I can't remember it when I need to. If you want to use it because it's an easier way to communicate, I think do it.

I'd just start with something like "I'm sorry, but my depression makes it really difficult for me to talk clearly to people, so I've written this down for you", and then just write whatever you'd like to tell the doctor. At the end you can write that they're welcome to ask you any questions, but you may find it difficult to answer in person. If they'd like to write their questions down you can maybe go away and write your answers.

I don't think the doctor will be that surprised. Especially if you get one that specialises in mental illness (I recommend asking at the clinic or hospital that you go to if they have someone who specialises, often they have one or two). Difficulty communicating is a major part of depression, and I rather think that they'll be pleased and impressed that you've had the foresight to write things down beforehand. Saves you sitting there and stuttering through your story like I did the first time. I barely knew what I wanted, just that I needed help.

Medicine isn't really an option for me. I had side effects from switching anti-depressant once and since than I'm avoiding any kind of medicine. But I will have a look at the fish oil (even if it sounds a bit gross, imo).

The fish oil is less gross than you'd think. You can get it in capsules so you can just swallow them instead of having to drink a glass of oil, which would be awful. You may get the odd fishy burp, but most of them take the odour out of it as well. It's pretty cheap too. It's good for you in general, but it also has the added benefit of sometimes working on depression.

Anti-depressant medications are a mixed bag. They all come with non-trivial side effects, although St. John's Wort is by far the mildest (hence why it's not prescription only, the side effects), generally nausea, headaches and the like. But ultimately to go down that path I think you really need a doctor or psychiatrist who knows their stuff and is willing to work with you.

For example, I had a chat with my last doctor about how the side effects of the drug he was prescribing (Lexapro) were kicking my ass and ultimately were potentially worse than the actual depression. He basically said suck it up, that's what you get. So I stopped seeing him, because I don't need that sort of ****.

On the other hand, I explained my situation to my new doctor and he identified that the drug I was on was both doing hardly anything for my depression AND I was getting wrecked by the side effects. I'd been getting by self-medicating with some other stuff that I shan't mention here, but that's not a long term plan (or a particularly good short term plan). He put me on a newer drug (Brintellix, if you're curious) and it's been good. The main side effect is nausea for a bit after you take it, but I can deal with that.

He was very good as I was changing over; he didn't recommend the normal stop taking your current medication and let it flush out of your system for a few weeks then change over, because while that's the method by the book it's practically impossible. If I was off anti-depressants for a week I'd be dead. He simply said step down over a few days and make the switch quick, and beware of serotonin syndrome kicking in. In the end it went well.

I had some reservations at the time about this new drug being not suitable either, or it only working for a few months and what do we do then? He says he's got a list of drugs and other therapies that we'll try in order until we find something that works. If in a few years we find that nothing works, we'll deal with that when we get there. He does a great job of reassuring me that he has a plan, that he can keep me informed, and that together we can work to fight this.

I like my new doctor. He's Scottish. And awesome. He's also the third doctor I went to, and it took me a year to find him. It's never an easy road. But you'll get there.

I don't want to push the medication thing too hard, I know it's worked for me but I also know it's not for everyone. And at best it's symptom management, rather than a cure. But it's got me from sleeping 20 hours a day, hiding in bed and being absolutely unable to leave the house without panic attacks to being a functional human being. Now that I can be up and about I can work, which means I don't have money worries, and I can pursue fixing my mental health with more vigour. It's little steps that build upon themselves to get you to a place where you can make yourself better.

Whatever your solution ends up being, I hope you can keep making your way towards it. When you can, try different things and let us know how you go. I'm not a doctor and nor are most here, but some of us have made our way from where you are to a slightly better place, and can at least share anecdotal advice on what worked for us.

Never give up. There's always more to try. One never knows if raccoon milk is an incredible anti-depressant until someone tries it. :P
 
A good doctor will be fine with this. It's actually what I do, because my depression gives me serious memory problems and so I have to write everything down or I can't remember it when I need to. If you want to use it because it's an easier way to communicate, I think do it.
I might try it once I know what I really want. At the moment I don't have the time or concentration to focus on it anyway.


I like my new doctor. He's Scottish. And awesome. He's also the third doctor I went to, and it took me a year to find him. It's never an easy road. But you'll get there.

I don't want to push the medication thing too hard, I know it's worked for me but I also know it's not for everyone. And at best it's symptom management, rather than a cure. But it's got me from sleeping 20 hours a day, hiding in bed and being absolutely unable to leave the house without panic attacks to being a functional human being. Now that I can be up and about I can work, which means I don't have money worries, and I can pursue fixing my mental health with more vigour.
That's great to hear. I wish you the best luck to continue on this way :)
 
@Vinylshark

For what it's worth, St Johns Wort, as Imari has suggested.

Prescription meds never made any difference to me, yet for some reason SJW does, these days it's the only thing that keeps me as an effective human being. I take alot though, more than is recommended. I don't think there are side effects (other than general fatigue) that would stop me from taking them.
 
@Vinylshark

For what it's worth, St Johns Wort, as Imari has suggested.

Prescription meds never made any difference to me, yet for some reason SJW does, these days it's the only thing that keeps me as an effective human being. I take alot though, more than is recommended. I don't think there are side effects (other than general fatigue) that would stop me from taking them.

I'd keep an eye on the newer stuff that's coming out, it may be of interest to you. In the last few years they've moved away from the "nuke one neurotransmitter" style of medication towards designing drugs that target specific receptors. If you can find out what the SJW is triggering, you may be able to find something that does so with more effectiveness and less fatigue.

Also, there are combinations that can be effective for treatment resistant depression. SSRI and modafinil is one I like. There's research out there on it and it works pretty well for some. Modafinil is what the military use now as a go pill instead of amphetamine, it's slightly less addictive than coffee and unless you take heaps and heaps of it the come down is minimal. And if nothing else, it can be a good anti-fatigue on it's own. Available on prescription in most countries, or you can buy samplers online from India and the like.

People get a bit funny about it because prescription drug, but my research and personal experience is that it's preferable to me to caffeine and nicotine. Basically no addiction or withdrawal potential for me, and it works very well in that when I find myself having a very tired day I take 50-100mg and I'm fine with no interruption to my sleep. A full pill is 200mg, and prescribed levels can get well above that. I did 400mg once just to see what would happen, and I was on the go for a solid day and a half. It was fine, but I wouldn't do it again because why do that to your body outside an emergency situation?

If you're having fatigue problems and you have the ability to sit down and educate yourself over a few weeks about the stuff and what you're getting yourself into, I recommend looking into it. I'm not a doctor* so very much do your own research so that you understand what you're putting in your body, don't take my personal experience as an indication of what might happen for you. But it might be something that could help, if you haven't tried it already.

*I am however a qualified chemist with a moderate knowledge of biology and neurochemistry, so while I'll never be a GP or a psychiatrist if I spend enough time I find that I can usually figure out drug stuff to my own satisfaction. But that's me risking my own body, you should not assume that I know what I'm doing. You should do your own research and come to your own conclusions about the risks and benefits, and if you feel that you don't understand it well enough to make the decision you should play it safe.
Sorry if this is very disclaimer heavy, but there's a bit of a balance to be struck between sharing things that helped and making sure that people (not necessarily yourself, but everyone) know that they should inform themselves before doing anything like this.
 
St. Johns wort is not that harmless. It does have side effects and at least one is a serious side effect.

St. Johns wort causes free radicals and especially in the eye. These free radicals with sunlight can cause and accelerate cataract and I believe even macula degeneration which can cause blindness.
Sunglasses are not protective enough unless you have sunglasses that covers the eye completely. You also become more sun sensitive in general when taking St. Johns wort.

There are other side effects of St Johns wort e.g. having bad reactions with other drugs.

Because it's a natural and not artificially made in a lab, that doesn't automatically means that it is safe, without side effects or even pure poison.
 
If you can find out what the SJW is triggering,
Sorry, I can't read that sentence without keeping a straight face :lol:, I know what you mean, I'm just being an idiot reading it in the wrong context.

Speaking of that though, has anyone felt they get depressed when someone shows up smarter. I know the tagline there will always be someone better than you but I do get into a lot of opinion based discussions, I like expressing my views and listening to other peoples view, however when I have similar views to someone but they give out way much more detail in such shorter time, I feel like, what's the point of me doing this, I like these but if anyone can argue my views better, I feel like an idiot who doesn't know what I'm talking about in comparison.

A lot of things bumm me out when I get out shown by someone else, now I'm not competitive or anything but in gaming, I often take months on my own to get somewhere in it but my brother picks up and is able to compete with me within a week. I feel so terrible like I wasted time exploring the game and learning when it's possible for someone to do all of that in a week. This even happens in the real world, I got my driver liscence Ls after barely passing my 2nd attempt (used up all my "strikes"), yet people either passed the 1st attempt or blissfully passed the 2nd try an even out perform me on driving practice, I think that's what developed my fear of driving, because I felt like I couldn't do it due to how slow I am and I just harm people on the road. The only thing I have is my drawing but that's only because my peers don't even bother giving it a shot, I feel like if they tried, they'd make Mona Lisa's in comparisons to what I do.

Now I know I don't have depression, so this is nothing compared to what you guys are going through and I feel sorry for all of you guys who have to go through with it every single day and don't know how you guys are able to do it but I don't how I feel like I can do anything and move on in my life when everything I do is just done better by someone else and I'm only getting by, by being the luckiest person in the world, I feel like if I was left alone, I would die within a month not knowing what to do or not being able to do what it takes to survive.
 
St. Johns wort is not that harmless. It does have side effects and at least one is a serious side effect.

St. Johns wort causes free radicals and especially in the eye. These free radicals with sunlight can cause and accelerate cataract and I believe even macula degeneration which can cause blindness.
Sunglasses are not protective enough unless you have sunglasses that covers the eye completely. You also become more sun sensitive in general when taking St. Johns wort.

There are other side effects of St Johns wort e.g. having bad reactions with other drugs.

Because it's a natural and not artificially made in a lab, that doesn't automatically means that it is safe, without side effects or even pure poison.

I don't think anyone said it's harmless. I said that the side effects are generally mild, which is accurate compared to other treatments.

On the scale of pretty much anything you can take for depression it's about as harmless as it gets. One should always be careful when taking things, but for anyone with anything above very mild depression I don't really think the risks from SJW are anywhere near the scale of the risks from actual depression.

The chances of you having a major reaction immediately without noticing are staggeringly low. Cataracts and degeneration are a long term problem, which only really comes into play if you live long enough. Which means getting yourself out of the reach of imminent suicide. By the time you've been on SJW for five or ten years you should probably at some point have been to at least one medical professional, even if only just to have a check up, and can deal with it appropriately from there. The risks from free radicals are dose dependent, and there are other things that one can do to counteract that risk if one wishes.

I don't think anybody said anything about it being natural. It's a drug, just not a prescribed one. An awful lot of drugs come from plant precursors and this is just another one. I don't think warning people off something that is potentially quite helpful for the extremely limited risk it offers. It is that harmless, in that it's probably the first pharmaceutical remedy anyone should try because everything else gets a lot worse.

Harm is a matter of scale and situation. That's why we pump cancer patients full of chemo chemicals, because while they are out and out poisons, it's better than dying. I would say that anyone who is depressed enough to have suicidal thoughts should at least try SJW. Suicide isn't funny, and even if it doesn't work trying things helps.

Sorry, I can't read that sentence without keeping a straight face :lol:, I know what you mean, I'm just being an idiot reading it in the wrong context.

I wrote it, noticed what I had done, and decided to leave it in so that someone else could have a giggle. Job successful. :)
 
I don't think anyone said it's harmless. I said that the side effects are generally mild, which is accurate compared to other treatments.

On the scale of pretty much anything you can take for depression it's about as harmless as it gets. One should always be careful when taking things, but for anyone with anything above very mild depression I don't really think the risks from SJW are anywhere near the scale of the risks from actual depression.

The chances of you having a major reaction immediately without noticing are staggeringly low. Cataracts and degeneration are a long term problem, which only really comes into play if you live long enough. Which means getting yourself out of the reach of imminent suicide. By the time you've been on SJW for five or ten years you should probably at some point have been to at least one medical professional, even if only just to have a check up, and can deal with it appropriately from there. The risks from free radicals are dose dependent, and there are other things that one can do to counteract that risk if one wishes.

I don't think anybody said anything about it being natural. It's a drug, just not a prescribed one. An awful lot of drugs come from plant precursors and this is just another one. I don't think warning people off something that is potentially quite helpful for the extremely limited risk it offers. It is that harmless, in that it's probably the first pharmaceutical remedy anyone should try because everything else gets a lot worse.

Harm is a matter of scale and situation. That's why we pump cancer patients full of chemo chemicals, because while they are out and out poisons, it's better than dying. I would say that anyone who is depressed enough to have suicidal thoughts should at least try SJW. Suicide isn't funny, and even if it doesn't work trying things helps.



I wrote it, noticed what I had done, and decided to leave it in so that someone else could have a giggle. Job successful. :)
My post about the side effects wasn't directed at you.



For some strange reason, St. Johns wort doesn't make any difference. I took it for months and I didn't get better. But I had a very severe depression and probably didn't take enough of the stuff.

I agree that this herb is much less damaging or dangerous or whatever than SSRI's but it is not without it's problems though.
 
I been trying to get into the science-aspects of this "thing" that I been dealing with but honestly information I get is so scattered I really don't get it.

Have any of you heard of the term "Megalomaniac" or the disorder "Megalomania"?
 
I been trying to get into the science-aspects of this "thing" that I been dealing with but honestly information I get is so scattered I really don't get it.

Have any of you heard of the term "Megalomaniac" or the disorder "Megalomania"?
I've heard the term, but I'm not aware of it being used in a diagnostic context.

From a quick Google it seems to be associated with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You might want to start there and see if it sounds like a match.

What have you been dealing with that makes you think this might be something you have?
 
Don't try to diagnose yourself by searching on the internet. The internet is full of crap and if you don't know where to look or what you should look for, you're better off not knowing than thinking you found the solution on the web.

Go and see a doctor, psychiatrist, psychologist or whatever to get a diagnosis.
 
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