EVO V Faster than SVT Mustang why?

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Hey all,

I have an EVO V 550Hp and a Ford SVT Mustang at 705Hp. I have set them both to run 1/4 mile. The EVO is quicker in take-off and long run, why? Is it the fat that the EVO is 4WD, meaning more grip and power to the floor quicker? Or is it beacuse its simply a couple of hundred Kg lighter? I mean, there is a fair bit of difference in the Hp, i thought the mustang would be quiker, but its not as far as i cant tell.

I have only been playing GT3 for a little while now, so i dont know toooooo much about it.
 
Gear Ratios, traction, grip, weight, accelerator control, TCS Stiffness of suspension.

All sorts of different aspects related to the difference. Take a look at your power/weigth ratios and see how they compare. Check you settings, and your tires.

Might be that you're running stock tires on the Mustang, and Super Softs on the Evo.

AO
 
Ok, so lets say both cars are set up for optimal performance in 1/4 mile. Does the EVO still win? Im not all that familiar with power to weight ratio and stuff.
 
Gear ratios are set so they both almost hit the end of 6th on the finish line.

And yes the EVO does have Super Softs. The Mustang has Sports tyres.
 
Originally posted by Hot4
And yes the EVO does have Super Softs. The Mustang has Sports tyres.
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There's your answer. Change the Mustang to supersofts and see if that helps.

AO
 
Originally posted by Hot4
Ok, so lets say both cars are set up for optimal performance in 1/4 mile. Does the EVO still win? Im not all that familiar with power to weight ratio and stuff.
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Power to weight ratio is a representation of how much power a car has compared to it's weight...

In GT3 they use a stupid system of dividing the weight of the car, by the horsepower, giving a result of "power per 10kg". The lower the number, the better.

For example:
200hp, 1000kg = 0.500 (or 200 horsepower per tonne)
300hp, 1500kg = 0.500 (or 200 horsepower per tonne)
300hp, 1600kg = 0.533 (or 188 horsepower per tonne)

You can see that the first two "cars" are identical in terms of power-to-weight ratio. Their performance would be roughly even, but the higher horsepower car would have the edge. The last car has a worse power-to-weight ratio, so would likely be slower than the other two cars.

Compare the power-to-weight ratio of the Mustang and EvoV you have. My numbers say 661hp for the Mustang (without oil change) and 1343kg - giving a power-to-weight ratio of 0.203 (492) - and 526hp for the Evo at 1156kg - giving a power-to-weight ratio of 0.220 (455). The Evo has a poorer power-to-weight ratio than the Mustang.

So this is unlikely to be your answer. The tyres seem like a good bet though - you're running ultra-grippy racing tyres on the Evo, and lame-ass sports tyres on the Mustang...
 
Well, running a 400m test is a good indication of that... :D

Just messin'
 
The launch makes a big difference, even on a long run. So the soft tires and the AWD of the Evo make a difference there. And once it's going faster at launch, the rest of the way it keeps building on that additional speed, so even if the Mustang makes up for it later, it already has a difference to overcome.

Did you try using the ghost to compare where the Evo pulls ahead? That might help you tune gears or tactics.
 
Originally posted by TS1AWD
Because Mustangs suck...
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Or maybe... because Mustangs are American cars and GT3 is produced in Japan?
 
^:lol:, well anyway you do it the evo is faster than the stang... i get the same thing... my evo is faster than stang...

ROll
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Or maybe... because Mustangs are American cars and GT3 is produced in Japan?
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I don't know the actual numbers, but I'd be willing to bet there are more cars in the Japanese section of the car dealer than there are for any other single country. :lol:
 
There are more Japanese cars in the game than all the other countries put together!

And 7058, I'll run a stock Mustang (tires & oil only) against your full-build Diahatsu. You pick the track.
 
Ok thanks for you info,

I'll try putting the super softs on the Mustang and see what happens.

Altough with that much HP difference i thought it wouldnt really matter. Just driving the EVO seems overall more powerfull than the Mustang.
 
As said before, the Mustang is quite heavy, and the sports tires would also have an effect on the times.
 
Originally posted by Famine

For example:
200hp, 1000kg = 0.500 (or 200 horsepower per tonne)
300hp, 1500kg = 0.500 (or 200 horsepower per tonne)
300hp, 1600kg = 0.533 (or 188 horsepower per tonne)

You can see that the first two "cars" are identical in terms of power-to-weight ratio. Their performance would be roughly even, but the higher horsepower car would have the edge.
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This I do not understand (Audience shouts: Tell us something we don't know :rolleyes: ) But wouldn't the lighter car have the advantage as it has less mass to get moving ?... Or will the extra grip provided by the extra mass compensate ?...
 
Regardless of all you with your calculators scrambling to figure out the perfect answer and formula to this question, its a fact of life, the Evo is faster than all the late model Mustangs. This is something you may need to learn to deal with. Ford cant build a car. Ford's idea of a fast car is there 16-17 second ****us SVT.
 
Originally posted by Flerbizky
This I do not understand (Audience shouts: Tell us something we don't know :rolleyes: ) But wouldn't the lighter car have the advantage as it has less mass to get moving ?... Or will the extra grip provided by the extra mass compensate ?...
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Sorry - I slipped into "normal mode" :D.

By performance, I mean performance on track - not this stupid ass 400m lark. Higher hp cars typically have higher torque values also - they are better at coping with inclines and can accelerate quicker on corner exits. Sure, they lose a little under braking, but overall a higher hp car, with equal an PWR, will beat a lower hp car.

TS1AWD - the only person that did any calculations was me. Without the aid of a calculator, I might add. So I take it your post was a direct attack on me. You might like to "learn to deal with" the fact that racism is unacceptable, a possessive "their" isn't spelled like that, and a tuned Mustang will hump a tuned Evo all over the track in GT3. Life is not a 400m straight line.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
There are more Japanese cars in the game than all the other countries put together!

And 7058, I'll run a stock Mustang (tires & oil only) against your full-build Diahatsu. You pick the track.
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Test Course.
 
Originally posted by Gran Turismo7058
Lemme put it in a better statement.

Because FORDS suck
The only ford i'll ever like is the old 60's GT-40.
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Fords suck? But...Jaguars are good....And Volvo's are good.....But..."Fords" suck.....Escort Cosworths are good....But.....Fords suck...Focus RS's are good...But...Fords suck.....Smart one aint he?

Regardless of all you with your calculators scrambling to figure out the perfect answer and formula to this question, its a fact of life, the Evo is faster than all the late model Mustangs. This is something you may need to learn to deal with. Ford cant build a car. Ford's idea of a fast car is there 16-17 second ****us SVT.
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Man this guy is a wealth of usefull knowledge....Like the 400+HP SVT Cobra.....that run's 12's....12's = 16-17 second? Oh yeah......

The SVT Cobra R ran 13 second quarter miles, just because you can't drive it RIGHT doesn't mean it's a bad car..
 
Do you think a 400+horsepower Mustang can handle Sebring? lemme think. NO! they suck, please Jaguar, Volvo, aston martin are just owned by the ****ty company FORD, they are not made. If you think that, man I feel bad for you.
 
Gran Turismo, I don't think you've watched much of the Grand AM Series, because Mustangs Go up against Jaguars...And ALOT of the times Mustyangs come out on top.......Oh and by the way...up untill last year the jaguars who raced in Grand am...used Ford engines...

http://www.allf1.info/teams/jaguar.php
Ford engine......
http://www.fantasycars.com/1/2001/Jaguar21st/jaguar21st.html
X-Type uses an engine based on the Ford Duratec

http://www.luxurycarbuyer.com/reviews-2000-jaguar-s-type.htm

Ford will apply the structure to a new mid-size Lincoln LS and share key mechanical components, including a new V6 engine. Yet the styling of S-Type remains exclusively -- and obviously -- inherent with Jaguar.
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http://www.forbes.com/2003/08/26/cx_mf_0826vow_print.html
Look...Jag with a Ford engine..


http://www.carpages.co.uk/aston_mar..._facility_to_move_to_cologne_19_05_03.asp?v=1
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what's this? All AM engines made in a ford plant.......IN a ford plant.........


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What Famine said was, "Think of the EVO as Cameron Diaz, the Mustang as Jennifer Lopez. "Cameron" will be faster due to having less caboose, and way better traction. "Jen" will be sharp, but lugging that a**, and spinning the wheels will slow it down.:lol:
 
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