FF Drifting

Discussion in 'GT4 Drifting' started by nos2, Dec 31, 2005.

  1. nos2

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    Is there any way to keep an FF car drifting (thru long corners, like the last corner in Tsukuba?) I'm trying to drift an '95 Eclipse, I know the use of hand-brake is pretty much required. I can drift through the shorter 90 deg corners fine, but the 180 deg or longer corners I have problems with. Any tips? Thanks.
     
  2. ForcedInduction

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    I haven't had any experience with FF cars period but I'm guessing FF car's aren't really capable of staying sideways longer than AWD or FR cars...


    Beats me... :lol:
     
  3. nos2

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    Yeah, that's what I couldn't do. The car will straighten itself in mid corner on the longer corners.
     
  4. ekmatt9

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    There really isn't a way to get FF's drifting as much or close like FR's, AWD's. I tried that in my Civic before at Trial Mountain, it sucked. That big turn after the straight after the tunnel, I got past that and that's it. Mix the tires but don't max out the HP...So you don't get tire spin. Or do:

    Oversteer - 0
    Understeer - 5
    TCS Controller - 0


    It's kind of cheating the Drifting in GT4...but it worked ;)
     
  5. nos2

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    I'll try it with the aids. I usually drift with aids off. But in this case I think aids are needed. Thanks.
     
  6. Thotozam AZ-1

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    I don't use aids on FF cars, neither the E-Brake. It really depends on you style, some of my setups I can drift without e-brake or aids, but others will need them. Either way though, I can't do the hairpins or long corners easily. You can see for yourself in my entry for GTPDC4 with a Honda Civic Type R
    http://www.bgj.ca/gtp/GTPDC_P04.wmv
    (sorry about the bad quality, I had to use a digital camcorder to record it. My newest videos will be better, I got a capture card for Christmas)
     
  7. Boogieman

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    that's exactly the problem . . . . :grumpy:
     
  8. Biggamehit

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    what i did was set my cars up similar to FR drifting setups and just used very sticky N3 tires in the front and non grip N1's in the back.

    and its all about momentum. i gerneraly use feint to initiate a drift. i dont have to use the ebrake to start every one. Also the combo of high speed with feint and ebrake used at the same time is great.

    heres and old example i was about to find on my HDD, i made this for a friend in like 5min excuse the editing. I was able to fully drift the last U turn of Tokyo

    http://videos.streetfire.net/player.aspx?fileid=E406153A-182A-4C6E-A7A1-00825C116B94
     
  9. nos2

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    Yeah, that's what I've found also. And some cars need some front downforce added and some ballast weight in the rear to get that momentum. Here's my new video.

    Eclipse drift
    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2064758#post2064758
     
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  11. nos2

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    Yeah, it would look a lot better if they give the cars a front lip.
     
  12. HiyakuShiro

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    Front Aero(front bumper body mod(bodykit)) you mean?
     
  13. nos2

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    Nope, just a front lip would be good.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. HiyakuShiro

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    Never mind won't argue.
     
  15. GT4 Drift King

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    hi everyone havent been here in a while
    just wondering why your trying to drift a FF anyway?
     
  16. Gen.

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    Because we can?

    Why do we drift cars at all? :dunce:
     
  17. DoriSPL

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    "FF Drifting" is kind of a oxy moron....
     
  18. Gen.

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    [SEARCH]FF Drifting[/SEARCH]

    Hm... search seems to be down.
     
  19. luftrofl

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    You know nothing about drifting.
     
  20. nos2

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    I don't see the problem with drifting an FF car, it's just like drifting AWD or RR cars, it requires a different tuning and different technique.
     
  21. niky

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    That's a whole can of worms you're opening up there... walk away, man... walk away while you still can... :lol:
     
  22. Gen.

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    This isn't the GT3 Drift forums :lol:

    He's not going to get flamed ;)
     
  23. HiyakuShiro

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    Ok try to think about others before you post.This is an FF thread (obviously) try to post something positive next time(even if you don't like the topic)and if you can't, don't post on that topic!:tup: :) (you make friends easier if you complement what they like).
     
  24. Thotozam AZ-1

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    As a great man once said: "Because it's Wrong!" lol
    It's a challenge, everyone has drifted a FR, most have also drifted AWD.
    Few drift FF because they think it's too hard. I have found your drifting style is the main thing that determines whether you are a good FF drifter or not, settings are next (though you could get the settings and practice a TON to get better, FF is harder to learn than FR though).

    I have posted the settings that I used on my Civic from my GTPDC4 entry (vid in post 6). Look for the settings soon in the New Drift Settings Depot, or just click the link to the post:
    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2071780&postcount=39
     
  25. -Cheezman-

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    No bro, you don't.

    A front wheel drive car CAN NOT drift. it may slide, but you can't call it a drift. Drifting is a term only for Rear wheel drive cars, and SOME AWD's. But drifting in an FF is just rear end sway, it's not really a drift. Look around, read some real drifting guides (not some ricer written guide) or maybe go to a drifting school (search google) they will all say the same thing.

    But you guys are right, it is a challange, anyways. The best setup is to have a lot of oversteer, and try to tune your suspension softer in front than rear, but make the rear sway bars soft (you want a lot of body sway). A common problem with FF's is that they understeer pretty bad.

    Also, IMO a front wheel drive car sucks at life. :)
     
  26. nos2

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    Actually, you want the rear spring to be soft, because softer rear makes the weight transfer more, so it gives the car the momentum to swing through the corner. All my Eclipse in the video are using the lowest spring rates, and IMO they drift very well.
     
  27. luftrofl

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    Look at some real drifting guides? This is what I found:
    http://www.driftsession.com/faqs/faqs.htm
    According to them(driftsession): " No. Anything with wheels can drift, and probably some things without wheels too. Based off of the official Drift Session definition for drifting, drifting can be performed in any vehicle regardless of drivetrain type. While being much more difficult to perform drifts in a front wheel drive vehicle is it possible, with the proper technique, to drift them comparably to a RWD. The most common reason why people don't drift FWD vehicles is because it is much harder to do than a RWD and RWD vehicles are more common and affordable in Japan (therefore setting the example by which the US follows)."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_(motorsport)
    According to wikipedia: "By the technical definition (rear wheels slipping at a greater angle than front wheels), they are indeed able to drift."(talking about FF drivetrain cars)

    http://www.sdt.com.au/TRAININGCARS.htm
    According to this (Physics In Motion Drift School): "This includes new and older cars, front and rear wheel drive cars"

    Those are three sites that I found by using google. I found some anti-FWD drift statements on forum posts, but the general consensus(of drift schools) seems to be that FF can indeed drift. It is also worth mentioning that I found NO anti-FF drift statement that wasn't in the form of a forum post.
     
  28. SWAT2291

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    Hah you got burned... Well I kinda got mad at the fact of him saying that FFs can't drift also. Ok now on topic I don't know how to control the drift in a FF I don't know what to make the front wheels do:grumpy:
     
  29. luftrofl

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    Here's a real life FF drift video(player is on a website:streetfire.net)
    http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=C71516C4-2596-432C-A230-E48935556436&kw=6&p=2

    I'm pretty sure you can't use that style in GT4 though. The E-brake is used quite heavily in the video and it's too hard for me to use in GT4.
     
  30. nos2

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    That is pretty cool. :tup: I can't understand what he's saying, but I think he said toe-out. So I guess he probably means toe-out in the rear. I'm going to give that a try.