Gr.3 / Gr.4 Monthly Endurance Series, Next Race Sat October 2nd, Gr.3, 90 Minutes of Tokyo East

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Yes, May and June were Gr.4 races. Oh, and technically 3 in a row for you. since you're a Gr.3 drivers for the Le Mans Classic too.
I would like the GR3 choice at Sarthe to be a tentative one, if everyone else is GR4 I will run GR4 if that's ok
 
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TheColdWarriors
I would like the GR3 choice at Sarthe to be a tentative one, if everyone else is GR4 I will run GR4 if that's ok
You and the new guy Toshost took Gr.3 which I thought would be the more popular class. I will probably enter the less popular class. I still need to ask the others.
 
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Next Race

230 k of Barcelona-Catalunya

August 7th
Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya
230 km, 50 Laps
Gr.3
Afternoon 16:30 Clear
Fuel x3
Tires x5
Grid Start
10 Minutes Qualifying
Corner Penalties Strong


Special Event Race

Le Mans Modern Classic

August 14th
Circuit de la Sarthe - No Chicane
90 Minutes Special
Gr.3 / Gr.4
Afternoon 15:00 Clear
Fuel x3
Tires x7
Grid Start
15 Mins Qualifying
Corner Penalties Strong

Special Regulations
Drivers may choose either Gr.3 or Gr.4 Class
Open Car Entry
Manually Applied BOP
Tuning Allowed
Racing Medium as 2nd tire Option
Exhibition Points Awarded to Both Classes


Exhibition Points

1st. 4 pts
2nd. 2 pts
3rd. 1 pt
4th. 0 pts
16th. 0 pts

Max 4 pts

Please tell me which class do you wish to race for the Special if you have not already. There is currently 2 Gr.3 and 0 Gr.4 entries. Note less cars means better odds for a points finish.
 
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TheColdWarriors
I'd like to use Gr4 for the Le Mans race.
Alright you are free to choose any ride in Gr.4 class for this race. Remember you need to manually set the cars BOP. I can't have it automatic and run both class together. Also tuning fully allowed for this race.
 
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Alright you are free to choose any ride in Gr.4 class for this race. Remember you need to manually set the cars BOP. I can't have it automatic and run both class together. Also tuning fully allowed for this race.
I would like to run GR4 if everyone else is going to be there unless you guys would rather I didn't in which case I will stick with GR3, just let me know please.
I can choose any GR3 car too??
 
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I would like to run GR4 if everyone else is going to be there unless you guys would rather I didn't in which case I will stick with GR3, just let me know please.
I can choose any GR3 car too??
Yes you may choose any Gr.3. There are no manufacturer limits for this special race.

The main feature of this special event is Gr.3 and Gr4 cars on track at same time. I only need to know your chosen class a head of time. So I know how many are racing in each class. If I couldn't get more than one entry into a class. I would be forced to cancel that class. I'm not going to make someone run in a class with no competition.
 
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Do to low attendance of our recent races and the event being between a regular season and a Supercar WSC Series race. I have decided to reduce the Le Mans Modern Classic from a 2 hour race back to a 90 minute race I originally scheduled it for. This will unfortunately reduce interaction between Gr.3 and Gr.4 classes during the race but, the Gr.3 class should be fast enough lap the Gr.4 field at least once during the race.

I have also decided to swap our November Gr.4 Kyoto race with our December Gr.3 500k at Monza. The December race is usually low attendance do to people's holiday plan. I came to the conclusion it didn't make a lot of sense to run the big high paying race in December when some might not be available.
 

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Would it be possible for me to do just the race at Barcelona? It seems to be the one spot that I'll be available to do with my busy schedule in August.
 
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TheColdWarriors
Would it be possible for me to do just the race at Barcelona? It seems to be the one spot that I'll be available to do with my busy schedule in August.
We are in need of more drivers. So one-offs and or part time rides are welcome. Race lobbies are friends only so I will your PSN or you need to friend request me TheColdWarriors.

There's a limit 2 pre car model (Both BWM M6 models count to the same limit) for both classes. Also new this season your Gr.3 and Gr.4 rides do not have to be from same manufacturer. You're welcome to mix and match with any available car. If you're available after Barcelona.

Gr.3 Currently Unavailable
McLaren F1
Mercedes AMG
Porsche 911

Gr.4 Currently Unavailable
Dodge Viper
Lamborghini Huracan

Below is are lobby schedule, next race info, and other important information.

Lobby Schedule

Practice Start
Sat 6:30 pm EDT
Sat 3:30 pm PDT
Sun 12:30 am CEST

Qualifying / Race Start
Sat 7:30 pm EDT
Sat 4:30 pm PDT
Sun 1:30 am CEST


Next Race

230 k of Barcelona-Catalunya

August 7th
Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya
230 km, 50 Laps
Gr.3
Afternoon 16:30 Clear
Fuel x3
Tires x5
Grid Start
10 Minutes Qualifying
Corner Penalties Strong

All races unless specified otherwise are ran with real settings including heavy damage. Racing Softs only this season for all regular season races. ABS and Driving Lines Aids available for all races. TCS available for Gr.3 races only.
 
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Some good news from me in the coming month but I should be available the rest of the season as I have a new job where I don't have to work weekends.
 
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Some good news from me in the coming month but I should be available the rest of the season as I have a new job where I don't have to work weekends.
So does this mean you will be racing Barcelona and the Le Mans Modern Classic?
 
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Theresa, Wisconsin
There is a slight chance that I could miss the LeMans mixed class race as that will be 3 Saturdays in a row of races running the MSN and Superstock series also. I will tentatively plan on racing Sarthe but let you know if I can't make it early as possible.
 

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After some testing with four particular cars that I am the most familiar in these kinds of races, I made my decision:

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GR3: Lexus RC F GT3 2017
GR4: Toyota GR Supra

Livery to be posted sometime this week, have a particular theme in mind
 
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1,352
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TheColdWarriors
After some testing with four particular cars that I am the most familiar in these kinds of races, I made my decision:

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GR3: Lexus RC F GT3
GR4: Toyota GR Supra

Livery to be posted sometime this week, have a particular theme in mind
Do you want 2016 or 2017 Gr.3 Lexus RC F? They differ in performance a little.

Livery posts not mandatory.

Livery Rules:
Making a livery is not mandatory for this series.

Drive numbers are not mandatory.

Liveries may not contain or the following

*No illegal activity or material
*No political material or promotion
*No religous material or promotion
*No pornographic material or images
*No Logos of rival manufacturers

Oh, I forgot to inform you this is a non tuning series (Except Brake) for all regular season races at least for this season. I am allowing tuning for special event races.
 
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For any who is already practicing for the LM Modern Classic mixed class special on August 14th. I have increased tire wear from x7 to x8. And be subject to farther increases if tire wear is not where I want. I ran out of time yesterday and will do more tire testing most likely Sunday.

I intend to use this race as a large scale test to see if Gran Turismo's new longer pit times will justify bringing back a second dry tire option for next season. I now have seen harder tires beat out softer tires in some the daily race and FIA Championship races. So I believe it may be worth looking into again.
 
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redhotcpeppers
Sounds good. When do we pick the specific car that we want to run for the Aug 14th race? And is there a limit on how many of each car can be chosen? I'm interested in using the Aston Martin Vantage Gr4 in case we can make our choice now. Thx
 
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TheColdWarriors
Sounds good. When do we pick the specific car that we want to run for the Aug 14th race? And is there a limit on how many of each car can be chosen? I'm interested in using the Aston Martin Vantage Gr4 in case we can make our choice now. Thx
I only need to what class your racing in. You free to choose any car in your chosen class. Don't forget to adjust your power and weight to your car's BOP performance. Then work on your car's setup. Don't forget tuning allowed for this race.
 
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A reminder of next Saturday's race details.

Next Race

230 k of Barcelona-Catalunya

August 7th
Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya
230 km, 50 Laps
Gr.3
Afternoon 16:30 Clear
Fuel x3
Tires x5
Grid Start
10 Minutes Qualifying
Corner Penalties Strong


Also tire wear has now been increased x9 for the Le Mans Modern Classic.
Are there any other downside to the GR3 McLaren other than it handles like crap??? Its hard to not pick that car for Sarthe because of it's top speed and hope I can iron out the handling on it.
 
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Are there any other downside to the GR3 McLaren other than it handles like crap??? Its hard to not pick that car for Sarthe because of it's top speed and hope I can iron out the handling on it.
I like it's handling better than the Gr.3 650S. The F1 GTR is 26 years old you can't expect to drive the modern GT cars. The McLaren F1 road was a bare as can be sports car to keep it's weight down. Meaning no ABS no TCS not even power steering. So I'm not even sure if race car was given power steering or not. The race car was noted to have a fragile transmission. The car takes a power and weights penalty BOP has to give it to make fair to use in the class.

Pro even though car loses 66 hp to BOP but, it's still the fastest car in on the straights and has petty good corner drive off. The BOP power drop also makes it one of the must fuel efficient cars in Gr.3. The car is also good in wet conditions. Note that in wet conditions it was able to out perform prototypes in the very wet 1995 24 hours of Le Mans.

Neutral despite the cars age the is still fairly lightweight even with the weight penalty. So it's braking is pretty average in class. So cars can beat it and some cannot.

Cons the car is 26 years and so is it's suspension meaning even though it lightweight it's not the must nimble of the Gr.3 class. The large weight penalty combined with the old suspension makes the car not have the great tire wear with the rear tires normally wearing faster than the front. This unfortunately counters the good fuel economy. The old suspension means the car is not great in the corners most notably in long duration corners or direction changes. The car was noted to have a fragile transmission which can be felt driving it. I don't recommend abusing the transmission to much to help with braking as car the will punish you for it.
 
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I like it's handling better than the Gr.3 650S. The F1 GTR is 26 years old you can't expect to drive the modern GT cars. The McLaren F1 road was a bare as can be sports car to keep it's weight down. Meaning no ABS no TCS not even power steering. So I'm not even sure if race car was given power steering or not. The race car was noted to have a fragile transmission. The car takes a power and weights penalty BOP has to give it to make fair to use in the class.

Pro even though car loses 66 hp to BOP but, it's still the fastest car in on the straights and has petty good corner drive off. The BOP power drop also makes it one of the must fuel efficient cars in Gr.3. The car is also good in wet conditions. Note that in wet conditions it was able to out perform prototypes in the very wet 1995 24 hours of Le Mans.

Neutral despite the cars age the is still fairly lightweight even with the weight penalty. So it's braking is pretty average in class. So cars can beat it and some cannot.

Cons the car is 26 years and so is it's suspension meaning even though it lightweight it's not the must nimble of the Gr.3 class. The large weight penalty combined with the old suspension makes the car not have the great tire wear with the rear tires normally wearing faster than the front. This unfortunately counters the good fuel economy. The old suspension means the car is not great in the corners most notably in long duration corners or direction changes. The car was noted to have a fragile transmission which can be felt driving it. I don't recommend abusing the transmission to much to help with braking as car the will punish you for it.
I was talking about the McLaren F1 Road Car. I don't think the game recognizes transmission abuse so no worries there. If I can improve the handling that would be huge, it has an easy 10MPH advantage on the straights over the Porsche and 5MPH over some of the other cars but the default handling is atrocious. If the rears wear out fast I would guess it's mainly due to corner exit throttle application. I also don't think they model power steering in the game but in real life power steering on race cars has been common since at least the 80's but it doesn't mean the F1 had it real life. What I mainly noticed with the F1 is that the rearend wants to pass the front while trailbraking, gotta tune it out or be very careful on the brakes entering corners.
 
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TheColdWarriors
I was talking about the McLaren F1 Road Car. I don't think the game recognizes transmission abuse so no worries there. If I can improve the handling that would be huge, it has an easy 10MPH advantage on the straights over the Porsche and 5MPH over some of the other cars but the default handling is atrocious. If the rears wear out fast I would guess it's mainly due to corner exit throttle application. I also don't think they model power steering in the game but in real life power steering on race cars has been common since at least the 80's but it doesn't mean the F1 had it real life. What I mainly noticed with the F1 is that the rearend wants to pass the front while trailbraking, gotta tune it out or be very careful on the brakes entering corners.
Wait you mean the Gr.3 McLaren F1 GTR Race Car right? As the McLaren F1 road car does not qualify for the Le Mans Modern Classic.

I learned from test driving McLaren F1 while practicing for our Supercar wet race at Tokyo East Outer is that even if you using in game ABS. The car loses a lot more of it's braking ability in wet conditions than the Huayra and Laferrari did. This leads me to the conclusion that GT Sports does takes into account that the McLaren F1 not have ABS in real life.

Like I said the Gr.3 McLaren F1 GTR '95 is 26 years old this year and 21 years older than the Gr.3 Porsche 911 RSR '16. It's not going to drive like your Porsche.

Oh no the transmission definitely stinks. If you downshift to quickly while braking the car will try to kill you. And the rear tires definitely faster than the front. While practicing for Barcelona. Even with the all the heavy wear long duration corners the rears wear faster than the front. The car is good enough on fuel to run the 50 laps in 2 stops. I likely be doing 3 or 4 stops do to the cars tire wear.
 
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redhotcpeppers
The tire wear at Catalunya is tough on the Lexus too. I can do 17 laps on fuel, but no way I can go that far on tires. My tires are pretty worn after 10 so will likely be a 4-stop for me. I'm not sure it's worth stretching them to 12 or 13 laps in order to do the 3 stop.