GT Sport on K' [07-30] | new K' Score | Events, Leaderboards, Profiles, Stats, Cars | Feedback

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  1. Milouse

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    No, I mean I wasn't talking about practice leaderboards, but about FIA championship results boards.
     
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    Hi, I haven't read the 17 pages of previous posts, so apologies if I'm duplicating previous posts. I only recently started playing GT Sport, and the game would be much much worse without your site, so huge thanks to you for creating it. Some things I'd like to see:

    1. I think the stats for the cars are without BOP? E.g.
    https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/carlist.php?cartype=2&order=acceleration
    I was looking at that to pick cars to try for this week's Gr.4 daily race, and the stats didn't seem to match the performance of cars once BOP had been applied. It would be really useful to have a BOP checkbox that makes all the stats how the cars are with BOP, so you can pick the best cornering or acceleration etc.

    2. When viewing a leaderboard, e.g.
    https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/rankings.php?sec=daily&eid=18531
    it would be great if it found where you are if you're a registered user, and also if it told you the total number of entries in the leaderboard, so it would tell you you're position x out of y, top z %. It would also be really helpful if it showed the car for each performance. I know we have the top 10 in game, but I'm finding the most popular car in the top 10 often doesn't work that well for me, so it would be useful to see which cars are a little bit less popular but still able to perform well.

    Edit: thinking about it, I'm guessing the reason why it doesn't do 2 is because the API you use provides the leaderboard a page at a time? So you'd have to download the entire leaderboard every time a user requests it, which isn't acceptable.

    I've also since thought that my reason for wanting this information is to know how competitive my current time is, to decide when I'm ready to do the race for the first time, but based on my racing yesterday I can see that if you're not in the first few pages for your region, you're not competitive, even at quite a low driver rating. I'm just inside the top 1000 for one of this week's races, and even though my driver rating is only 6406 at the moment, that top 1000 level of performance isn't a huge amount better than my current rating. So how about if, for registered users, it searched each page after loading to find the user, highlighted that row, and centred that row on the screen, so the user can more easily find their entry?
     
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    Sorry for the late answer.

    1. The BoP view exists on K' but since there's not enough data, it staid on a beta stage only accessible via this (pretty useless) link.
    Anyway, Polyphony Digital try to correct the BoP in order to balance cars as much as they can, so it's hard to avoid a drive test and a look at the leaderboards.

    2. You gave the good reason in your edit ;)
    On your full stat K' page, you probably saw a list of your past qualification times: it shows your usual and best past % gap. These are good references to keep in mind when looking at the leaderboards, since i indicate the % gap on all K' leaderboards (obviously not to take seriously on speedway). I made this with your use case in mind.
     
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    What's happening with the Brands Hatch leaderboards this week? There are 2 entries for each sub region, and the world leaderboard doesn't even show up at all.
     
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    It looks like PD created a new leaderboard for Brands Hatch, currently K' event list shows both (two leaderboard button per region). Why did they want to wipe this leaderboard? Did they make some undocumented changes on the track for this update*? I didn't find anything on GT Planet forum so far.
    I will probably remove the old ones.

    Example for Asia
    Asia Old
    Asia New

    * it seems that the switch occurred yesterday way before the update, or that i'm reading the time wrongly due to timezone.

    Edit: I'm surprised to see the Gordini in the Gr.X group.
    Audi TT COUPE 3.2 QUATTRO 2003
    Honda FIT HYBRID 2014
    Porsche 962 C 1988
    Renault R8 GORDINI 1966
    Toyota SPRINTER TRUENO 3DOOR 1600GT APEX (AE86) 1983
     
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    I think there's scope for some interesting analysis of the relationship between driver rating and qualifying times.

    I don't find the % time gap all that useful in isolation, because it's very dependent on the density of opportunities to differentiate performance. E.g. this week's Race A has 3 significant opportunities to differentiate performance over 3 minutes, whereas Race C has 9 over 70 seconds. So we'd expect the same standard of driver to get closer in % time terms for Race A than Race C, though it's mitigated to some extent by the slow acceleration in Race A causing the effect of the limited opportunities for differentiation to persist for a long time.

    What would be really good is to see a graph of driver rating vs time, with a fitted trendline, for the entire leaderboard, but then we are back to the problem of not having access to the full leaderboard while the event is current. What I thought would be easy enough to do is to show the average driver rating for the currently viewed page? By looking at the average driver rating for the page you're on, and the pages before and after, you'd get a good idea of how your time compares to your driver rating.

    At a higher level, a trendline for driver rating vs K' Speed Score would be interesting.
     
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    Better late than never... I eventually got the time to calculate, for a selection of tracks:
    the % Gap in time between the top time and the time of the player ranked at 20% of all contender, in all Sport Qualification from the past 11 months.

    I did want to know more about the actual selectivity of various track for a while.
    My conclusion here is that for most of tracks, variation on a given track is more important than variation from track to track.

    % Gap | Car Group | Region | Track | Indicative date
    3.9 GR3 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-06-13
    4.2 GR3 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-06-13
    4.4 GR3 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-06-13
    4.3 GR4 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-06-23
    4.3 GR4 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-06-23
    4.3 GR4 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-06-23
    4.5 GR3 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-04
    5.0 GR3 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-04
    4.9 GR3 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-04
    3.8 GR4 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-10
    3.9 GR4 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-10
    3.8 GR4 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-10
    3.6 GR4 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-17
    3.6 GR4 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-17
    3.2 GR4 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-17
    3.7 GR4 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-26
    4.2 GR4 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-26
    3.9 GR4 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-07-26
    3.3 GR4 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-08-10
    3.9 GR4 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-08-10
    3.6 GR4 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-08-10
    3.9 GR3 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-09-09
    4.4 GR3 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-09-09
    4.2 GR3 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-09-09
    4.0 GR3 1 Nürburgring GP 2018-11-04
    4.2 GR3 2 Nürburgring GP 2018-11-04
    4.5 GR3 3 Nürburgring GP 2018-11-04
    4.4 GR3 1 Nürburgring GP 2019-02-03
    4.7 GR3 2 Nürburgring GP 2019-02-03
    4.9 GR3 3 Nürburgring GP 2019-02-03
    3.5 GR4 1 Nürburgring GP 2019-02-17
    3.4 GR4 2 Nürburgring GP 2019-02-17
    3.6 GR4 3 Nürburgring GP 2019-02-17

    5.1 N400 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-15
    5.1 N400 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-15
    5.0 N400 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-15
    3.9 GR3 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-21
    3.7 GR3 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-21
    3.8 GR3 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-21
    3.9 N200 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-26
    4.7 N200 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-26
    4.6 N200 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-06-26
    4.1 GRX 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-04
    3.5 GRX 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-04
    3.4 GRX 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-04
    2.8 N200 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-09
    3.1 N200 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-09
    3.1 N200 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-09
    3.7 N300 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-26
    4.2 N300 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-26
    4.0 N300 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-07-26
    2.1 N100 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-08-05
    2.8 N100 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-08-05
    2.4 N100 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-08-05
    3.0 N300 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-08-24
    3.3 N300 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-08-24
    3.1 N300 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-08-24
    4.0 N200 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-09-23
    4.4 N200 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-09-23
    4.0 N200 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-09-23
    3.5 N300 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-11-19
    3.9 N300 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-11-19
    4.1 N300 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-11-19
    4.3 N300 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-12-16
    4.3 N300 4 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-12-16
    2.8 N300 5 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-12-16
    4.7 N300 6 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-12-16
    4.3 N300 7 Tsukuba Circuit 2018-12-16
    3.8 N200 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-01-20
    4.5 N200 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-01-20
    3.9 N200 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-01-20
    3.5 N200 4 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-01-20
    3.2 N200 5 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-01-20
    4.2 N200 6 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-01-20
    3.3 N200 7 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-01-20
    3.0 N100 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-03-24
    3.4 N100 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-03-24
    3.3 N100 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-03-24
    2.9 N100 1 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-04-21
    3.0 N100 2 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-04-21
    3.0 N100 3 Tsukuba Circuit 2019-04-21

    5.3 N400 1 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-06-24
    5.4 N400 2 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-06-24
    5.6 N400 3 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-06-24
    7.2 GR1 1 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-07-13
    8.2 GR1 2 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-07-13
    8.3 GR1 3 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-07-13
    6.7 N400 1 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-10-07
    6.5 N400 2 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-10-07
    7.0 N400 3 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2018-10-07
    6.1 N400 1 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2019-01-27
    6.4 N400 2 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2019-01-27
    6.7 N400 3 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2019-01-27
    4.7 N300 1 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2019-03-10
    4.6 N300 2 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2019-03-10
    4.8 N300 3 Nürburgring Nordschleife 2019-03-10

    4.1 GR2 2 Fuji International Speedway 2018-12-30
    3.4 GR2 4 Fuji International Speedway 2018-12-30
    3.8 GR2 5 Fuji International Speedway 2018-12-30
    4.3 GR2 6 Fuji International Speedway 2018-12-30
    3.7 GR2 7 Fuji International Speedway 2018-12-30
    3.4 GR2 1 Fuji International Speedway 2019-03-03
    3.6 GR2 2 Fuji International Speedway 2019-03-03
    3.6 GR2 3 Fuji International Speedway 2019-03-03
    3.6 N200 1 Fuji International Speedway 2019-04-14
    3.9 N200 2 Fuji International Speedway 2019-04-14
    4.0 N200 3 Fuji International Speedway 2019-04-14
    3.4 GR2 1 Fuji International Speedway 2019-05-05
    3.7 GR2 2 Fuji International Speedway 2019-05-05
    3.8 GR2 3 Fuji International Speedway 2019-05-05

    4.8 GR3 2 Tokyo Expressway - South Outer Loop 2019-01-06
    4.6 GR3 4 Tokyo Expressway - South Outer Loop 2019-01-06
    3.9 GR3 5 Tokyo Expressway - South Outer Loop 2019-01-06
    4.5 GR3 6 Tokyo Expressway - South Outer Loop 2019-01-06
    4.6 GR3 7 Tokyo Expressway - South Outer Loop 2019-01-06

    3.1 GR2 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-14
    3.9 GR2 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-14
    3.8 GR2 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-14
    3.6 N400 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-23
    3.8 N400 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-23
    4.0 N400 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-23
    4.6 N300 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-27
    4.8 N300 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-27
    5.0 N300 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-06-27
    3.5 GR2 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-05
    3.9 GR2 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-05
    3.5 GR2 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-05
    3.8 GR4 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-08
    3.7 GR4 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-08
    4.1 GR4 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-08
    4.0 GR2 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-09
    4.5 GR2 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-09
    4.4 GR2 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-09
    3.5 GR4 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-20
    3.4 GR4 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-20
    3.7 GR4 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-20
    3.9 GR3 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-22
    4.5 GR3 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-22
    3.5 GR3 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-22
    4.6 GR1 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-27
    4.6 GR1 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-27
    4.5 GR1 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-07-27
    3.7 GR4 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-08-05
    4.2 GR4 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-08-05
    3.6 GR4 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-08-05
    3.5 GR3 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-09-02
    4.0 GR3 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-09-02
    3.6 GR3 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-09-02
    3.8 GR3 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-10-22
    4.1 GR3 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-10-22
    4.0 GR3 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-10-22
    4.1 GR2 1 Suzuka Circuit 2018-11-11
    4.0 GR2 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-11-11
    4.7 GR2 3 Suzuka Circuit 2018-11-11
    3.7 GR4 2 Suzuka Circuit 2018-12-16
    3.6 GR4 4 Suzuka Circuit 2018-12-16
    3.1 GR4 5 Suzuka Circuit 2018-12-16
    3.7 GR4 6 Suzuka Circuit 2018-12-16
    3.4 GR4 7 Suzuka Circuit 2018-12-16
    4.5 GR2 2 Suzuka Circuit 2019-01-13
    4.0 GR2 4 Suzuka Circuit 2019-01-13
    3.8 GR2 5 Suzuka Circuit 2019-01-13
    4.5 GR2 6 Suzuka Circuit 2019-01-13
    4.0 GR2 7 Suzuka Circuit 2019-01-13
    4.0 N200 1 Suzuka Circuit 2019-02-03
    3.6 N200 2 Suzuka Circuit 2019-02-03
    3.7 N200 3 Suzuka Circuit 2019-02-03
    3.8 GR3 1 Suzuka Circuit 2019-02-24
    4.1 GR3 2 Suzuka Circuit 2019-02-24
    4.3 GR3 3 Suzuka Circuit 2019-02-24
    3.3 GR4 1 Suzuka Circuit 2019-03-17
    3.2 GR4 2 Suzuka Circuit 2019-03-17
    3.3 GR4 3 Suzuka Circuit 2019-03-17
    4.0 GRX 1 Suzuka Circuit 2019-04-05
    4.4 GRX 2 Suzuka Circuit 2019-04-05
    4.5 GRX 3 Suzuka Circuit 2019-04-05
    3.6 GR2 1 Suzuka Circuit 2019-04-21
    4.1 GR2 2 Suzuka Circuit 2019-04-21
    3.5 GR2 3 Suzuka Circuit 2019-04-21

    1.4 GR3 1 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-06-25
    1.4 GR3 2 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-06-25
    1.4 GR3 3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-06-25
    3.0 N400 1 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-08
    3.1 N400 2 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-08
    3.1 N400 3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-08
    1.5 N200 1 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-10
    1.6 N200 2 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-10
    1.5 N200 3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-10
    1.4 GR3 1 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-11
    1.4 GR3 2 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-11
    1.4 GR3 3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-11
    1.4 GR3 1 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-23
    1.5 GR3 2 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-23
    1.4 GR3 3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-07-23
    1.7 GR3 1 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-09-16
    2.2 GR3 2 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-09-16
    1.8 GR3 3 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2018-09-16
    3.3 N400 2 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2019-01-06
    3.3 N400 4 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2019-01-06
    3.6 N400 5 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2019-01-06
    3.7 N400 6 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2019-01-06
    3.1 N400 7 Blue Moon Bay Speedway 2019-01-06
     
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