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Message: [QUOTE="pez2k, post: 12441419, member: 98153"] I'm starting to think you weren't playing GT1 at launch back in 1997, because it absolutely was the most realistic thing you could get on a console, that's the whole reason everyone bought it. There were plenty of games with generic Japanese cars in, but GT had a realism and authenticity that stood out amongst the crowd. Sorry, but this is stereotypical sim racer elitism, that anything that you don't consider painfully hard to drive is 'dumbed down' and anyone who doesn't like it 'doesn't appreciate a challenge'. It's a very condescending and uninformed way to go on frankly - historically, even a lot of race drivers trying sim racers would be put off by how unrealistically unmanageable the cars were. And what would that achieve? A low-end Skyline is not an particularly oversteery car, it's a run of the mill family car, and they're designed not to kill people by spinning off the road. Most cars are set up for safe understeer at the limit, including racecars. Again, this falls into the trap of thinking that simulators must be hard to drive. I manage to drive to work every day with 350+bhp and RWD without getting sideways everywhere, does that mean real life is 'dumbed down'? Another bit of that 'realism is paramount' stance again, thinking that changing the game away from its original design (whatever it is) is somehow 'purer'. LFS is not a great benchmark either - the whole reason that they've spent the last 8 or 9 years working on their near-mythical new tyre model is because the old one couldn't realistically simulate the first real car they added to the game. Their model isn't soft-body as such, it's a physical model that I believe is a simple brush-based style - very advanced for 15+ years ago when it was written but even Dirt 2 and Forza 3 were using models like that. Games rarely, if ever, use the full player physics model for AI. Not only would it be massively expensive in terms of power, you'd also need to write AI that could actually drive a car. [/QUOTE]

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