HaB-Racing (ONLINE only): LM/LMP to 450-600pp roadcars sports tyres - 2015 revisions COMING SOON

[ALB123]

TRD (Toyota) Celica Sports M (ZZT231) '00 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Stock: aero, gearbox

Full Weight reduction = 969kgs
Engine - MID turbo, + other parts to get to required PP

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *


Suspension (SOFT):

105 / 105
5.87 / 8.92
1 / 3
2 / 4
6 / 5
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.10

Suspension (HARD):

105 / 105
8.37 / 10.86
3 / 5
5 / 6 (some driving styles/tracks might be better with fr ext at 4)
3 / 3 (use 4 / 4 for higher grip tracks/tyres)
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.10

Racing brakes:

4 / 5

LSD:

8
24
18

NOTE:

Underated car, very quick FWD/FF

When I apply full weight reduction to this car I am at 954 KGs and not 969 KGs as you listed. I did change the rims. Do aftermarket wheels actually reduce the weight or did you just happen to make a mistake when typing up this tune? Either way, it's a fantastic ride. I'm not usually a fan of FWD/FF cars, but this car has no problem putting the power down to the ground. Nice tune... 👍

EDIT: I'm so pissed. I just ripped a couple of laps around Nordschleife, like I usually do with newly purchased cars, or newly applied tunes and then I decided I might as well run this bad boy in the 450PP Beginners Level Seasonal Event this week. I can't. This is not a "normal car". This thing has 249hp and 167lb/ft of torque. It has a power to weight ratio of 4.04 kg/HP! But, I supoose they have a reason for everything they do with the car classifications.

 

[Highlandor]

When I apply full weight reduction to this car I am at 954 KGs and not 969 KGs as you listed. I did change the rims. Do aftermarket wheels actually reduce the weight or did you just happen to make a mistake when typing up this tune? Either way, it's a fantastic ride. I'm not usually a fan of FWD/FF cars, but this car has no problem putting the power down to the ground. Nice tune... 👍

EDIT: I'm so pissed. I just ripped a couple of laps around Nordschleife, like I usually do with newly purchased cars, or newly applied tunes and then I decided I might as well run this bad boy in the 450PP Beginners Level Seasonal Event this week. I can't. This is not a "normal car". This thing has 249hp and 167lb/ft of torque. It has a power to weight ratio of 4.04 kg/HP! But, I supoose they have a reason for everything they do with the car classifications.

Hi ALB..

Yep, you're right, it wasn't full weight reduction, I only used stage 3 and didn't do the bonnet/windows as car is pretty light already (969kgs).

I'll change the spec listing 👍

Sorry to hear you couldn't use it for the seasonals, I rarely do them other than just chucking something together, grabbing as many CR as possible in as few runs as possible, then forgetting about them. I tried a few of the roadcars on the Fuji seasonal, just to see how well the setups transfer over, but ormally I'd just run them online.

I don't know, but guessing the 'TRD' means it's a tuned/tuner car (??), it's worth keeping as it's pretty fast on the tighter twisty circuits, was right up there with the other best FWDs I tested..

The FWD/FF's setups are not the fastest hot lap settings, they're designed for more consistency in online racing. I found the fastest setups were not good in online racing as they were limited to a narrow racing line to carry the extra speed through the corner. But when you're in traffic/running off racing line for overtakes etc, it was harder to carry the extra speed and I found you ended up wearing the fr tyres more and being slower for the race distance.

So I changed the setups to be a bit lower on overall fastest laptime but easier to run different lines/in traffic and protect the FR tyres, so overall race time was, on average, alot faster as the individual laptimes were more consistent.. If anything, the cars got faster and faster each lap, with optimum speed happening around 8-10kms into the race.

We use tyre wear on quite fast, setting 3 of 4, the one down from the fastest tyre wear possible and ballast is banned. In races with less tyre wear and ballast being OK to use the cars would need a different setup and be alot faster. The ballast would give alot more natural balance to the car, so you don't have to worry about keeping it balanced aswell as making it turn, or worry too much about tyre wear.

Thanks as always or checking out the tune..

👍

 

[Highlandor]

Lotus Elise 11R '04 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Stock: WEIGHT

Racing exhaust
Custom gearbox

AERO - car is fairly stable, but can struggle when really pushing it through high speed direction changes (especially with bumps/kerbs), a little aero can help with this. This Elise doesn't have the discreet small custom rear spoiler, if it did, I'd be using that and changing rear aero to suit each track.

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

110 / 110
5.31 / 7.61
2 / 1
3 / 2
7 / 6
0.3 / 0.7
-0.05 / +0.10

Suspension (HARD):

110 / 110
6.55 / 11.15
4 / 3
5 / 5
4 / 4
0.3 / 0.7
-0.15 / +0.05


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

14
11
23 (lower = more lift off oversteer/turn in, higher = more lift off stability/understeer

NOTE:

Important to adjust brake / LSD braking sensitivity to your style/needs

I had another setup which was alot of fun hot lapping, not sure if it'll be any use, but thought I'd post it anyway, same as above but change springs, dampers, ARBs, toe:

4.92 / 8.76
1 / 1
3 / 3
7 / 7
0.3 / 0.7
-0.10 / +0.30

Use brake to scrub off speed, then steer with throttle, if in doubt, hit the throttle hard might not be everyone's cuppa T...

 

[Highlandor]

Lotus Elise '96 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Stock: WEIGHT

MID turbo & semi racing exhaust
Custom gearbox

AERO - car is fairly stable, but can struggle when really pushing it through high speed direction changes (especially with bumps/kerbs), a little aero can help with this. I used discreet custom rear spoiler & adjusted aero per track

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

110 / 110
4.56 / 6.73
2 / 1
3 / 2
6 / 7
0.3 / 0.7
-0.05 / +0.10

Suspension (HARD):

110 / 110
5.23 / 9.55
3 / 3
4 / 5
5 / 4
0.3 / 0.7
-0.15 / +0.05


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

14
11
20 (lower = more lift off oversteer/turn in, higher = more lift off stability/understeer

NOTE:

Important to adjust brake / LSD braking sensitivity to your style/needs

 

[Highlandor]

Acura NSX '91 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Full weight reduction = 1117kgs
Sports exhaust
Custom gearbox


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

115 / 115
7.28 / 8.63
2 / 1
3 / 2
6 / 7
0.4 / 0.6
-0.05 / +0.10

Suspension (HARD):

115 / 115
10.32 / 13.87
4 / 3
5 / 5
4 / 4
0.4 / 0.6
-0.05 / +0.10


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

12
11
25 (lower = more lift off oversteer/turn in, higher = more lift off stability/understeer

NOTE:

Important to adjust brake / LSD braking sensitivity to your style/needs for each track

 

[Highlandor]

Honda NSX '01 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Stock weight

Sports exhaust
Custom gearbox


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

110 / 110
7.15 / 8.55
2 / 1
3 / 2
6 / 7
0.3 / 0.7
-0.05 / +0.10

Suspension (HARD):

110 / 110
9.67 / 12.83
4 / 3
5 / 5
4 / 4
0.3 / 0.7
-0.05 / +0.10


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

10
11
23 (lower = more lift off oversteer/turn in, higher = more lift off stability/understeer

NOTE:

Important to adjust brake / LSD braking sensitivity to your style/needs for each track

 

[Highlandor]

BMW 330i - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Full weight reduction = 1220kgs

Racing exhaust
Custom gearbox


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

100 / 100
4.77 / 7.63
1 / 2
2 / 3
6 / 5
0.4 / 0.6
-0.15 / +0.02

Suspension (HARD):

100 / 100
7.95 / 11.25
3 / 4
4 / 5
4 / 3
0.4 / 0.6
-0.15 / +0.02


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

8
11
13 (lower = more lift off oversteer/turn in, higher = more lift off stability/understeer

NOTE:

Important to adjust brake / LSD braking sensitivity to your style/needs for each track

 

[Highlandor]

Subaru Impreza Sport Wagon WRX STi Version V - SPORTS hard - 450pp

STOCK weight & power

Custom gearbox


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

130 / 130
4.24 / 5.73
1 / 3
2 / 4
6 / 5
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.10

Suspension (HARD):

130 / 130
7.09 / 7.53
3 / 5
5 / 6
3 / 3
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.10


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

8 / 10
22 / 11
10 / 10

 

[Highlandor]

Subaru Legacy B4 Blizten '00 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Stage 2 weight reduction = 1261kgs
Sports ehaust
Custom gearbox


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

130 / 130
4.73 / 4.65
1 / 4
2 / 5
6 / 5
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.10

Suspension (HARD):

130 / 130
8.82 / 6.35
3 / 6
5 / 7
4 / 4
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.10


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

8 / 8
22 / 11
8 / 8

Fr/Rr torque split:

25/75 - can go more to rear

 

[Highlandor]

Subaru Legacy B4 2.0 spec.B '03 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Stock: weight & power
Custom gearbox


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

135 / 135
4.14 / 7.88
1 / 4
2 / 5
6 / 5
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.10

Suspension (HARD):

135 / 135
7.49 / 10.84
3 / 6
5 / 7
4 / 4
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.10


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

10 / 8
22 / 11
8 / 8

Fr/Rr torque split:

25/75 - can go more to rear

 

[Highlandor]

Mazda efini RX-7 Type R (FD) '91 - SPORTS hard - 450pp


Stage 2 weight reduction = 1096kgs
Sports exhaust
Custom gearbox


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

110 / 110
7.45 / 6.19
2 / 1
3 / 2
6 / 7
0.4 / 0.6
-0.05 / +0.10

Suspension (HARD):

110 / 110
9.48 / 9.75
4 / 3
5 / 5
5 / 5
0.4 / 0.6
-0.05 / +0.10


Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style)

LSD:

10
11
20 (lower = more lift off oversteer/turn in, higher = more lift off stability/understeer

NOTE:

Important to adjust brake / LSD braking sensitivity to your style/needs for each track

 

[Darrell Large]

Toyota 2000GT '67 - SPORTS medium - 475pp

Engine - fully tuned
Weight -stage 3 weight reduction, windows & bonnet = 937kgs
Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

110 / 110
8.40 / 5.47
2 / 2
3 / 2
6 / 7
0.0 / 0.0
-0.15 / +0.05

Hi, have been racing this online 400~425pp comfort soft tyres. One word..Epic

 

[Highlandor]

Hi, have been racing this online 400~425pp comfort soft tyres. One word..Epic

Hi Darrell..

Thanks for checking out the HaB tunes

Good to see them working on different specs, the Toyota 2000GT is pretty awesome car, but can be liable to a bit of a loose rear end.

I've just repaired my broken pedals so should have some more updates coming soon 👍

 

[dws3124]

Aston Martin One-77 '11 - SPORTS medium AND soft - 600pp (V2.1)

Stock: aero, gearbox

Engine - exhaust parts to 600pp
weigh reduction stage 3 - 1320kgs
Fully custom gearbox - stock ratio's

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

100 / 100
7.61 / 9.14
2 / 1
3 / 2
6 / 5
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.20

Suspension (HARD):

100 / 100
12.77 / 14.98
4 / 4
5 / 6
3 / 2
0.5 / 0.5
-0.10 / +0.20

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
11
13

NOTE:

The soft setup seems to work better on sports SOFT tyres, but the harder setup seems to work better on MEDIUMS..

It works better on the hard set-up with racing hards,mediums,soft,an sports soft.

 

[ALB123]

SRT Viper SRT10 ACR '08 - SPORTS medium - 600pp (V2.1)

Stock: weight, aero, power

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

90 / 100
11.95 / 14.01
1 / 2
2 / 6
5 / 5
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

6
10
8

Aero:

100 / 200 (stock)

I finally got around to buying this amazing car. What a great tune, @Highlandor!! I struggled with the stock setup quite a bit. The suspension was just terrible out of the Dealership. Well done!! 👍

 

[mKosen]

BMW Z4 M Coupe '08 - SPORTS hard - 530pp (maxed out) (V2.1)

Stock: aero

Engine - tune to max
Full weight reduction - 1225kgs
Full custom gearbox (stock ratio's)

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

100 / 100
5.76 / 9.56
1 / 2
2 / 4
4 / 4
0.5 / 0.5
-0.10 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
11
15

Car feels a little weird, doesn't feel as tight as maybe it should - might revisit at later date.

Pls rebuild this car for 500pp on sport soft..

Thx for the nice setups

 

[ALB123]

Mazda Eunos roadster (NA Special Package) '89 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Stock: aero

Engine - supercharger & exhaust parts
Weight reduction stage 3 - 821kgs
Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

115 / 115
3.89 / 4.77
1 / 3
2 / 3 (could use 4 on rr ext for more rotation)
6 / 5
0.6/ 0.4
-0.15 / +0.05

Suspension (HARD):

115 / 115
8.19 / 6.17
5 / 2
6 / 4
4 / 5)
0.6/ 0.4
-0.15 / +0.05

(could use 3 on rr comp, 5 rr ext for more rotation)

Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (adjust to suit your style/track)

LSD:

8
11
11 (lower = more lift off turn in/oversteer, higher = more lift off stability/understeer)

NOTE:

Awesome little car, these setups are quite 'planted', to get the car more loose at the rear you can increase rear ext/comp, or go with 0.00 rear toe.

I actually applied these suspension and LSD settings to a newly purchased Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91 and the car drove great. Actually, I only drove the soft springs setup so far, but the hard springs setup is on Tab B ready to rock. I know my 1991 is a different car, but I figured it would be worth a shot since I couldn't find a tune for my model. No complaints at all. The car drives wonderfully! 👍

 

[ALB123]

Ferrari California '08 - SPORTS hard & medium - 550pp - (V2.1)

Stock: weight, aero, gearbox

Engine exhaust parts etc to 550pp

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

95 / 100
6.34 / 10.51
1 / 3
2 / 3
7 / 6
0.7 / 0.3
-0.15 / +0.02

Suspension (HARD - grip/planted rear)

95 / 100
13.20 / 12.00
5 / 3
7 / 4
0.7 / 0.3
-0.15 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5 (can go lower on front)

LSD:

8
11
13 (lower = more lift off turn in/oversteer, higher = more lift off stability/understeer

NOTE:

on tighter circuits, raise rear dampers by +1 for more rotation, but you'll need to adjust brakes and LSD to suit.

I just wanted to point out that you are missing some figures from your HARD suspension setup.

 

[kurnoe]

Subaru IMPREZA Sedan WRX STI spec C Type RA '05 - SPORT hards - 550pp (V2.1)

Stock: aero

Engine - max tuned
FULL weight reduction, stage 3, bonnet & windows - 1138kgs
Full custom gearbox (stock ratios)

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

105 / 105
6.68 / 5.56
2 / 4
2 / 4
4 / 2
0.0 / 0.0
+0.10 / -0.05

Racing brakes:

3 / 9

LSD:

5 / 7
18 / 10
5 / 10

Fr / Rr torque distribution:

30 : 70

Fast car...

very nice setup!!! thanks/

 

[Racing ralf]

Renault Megane RS '08 - SPORTS hard - 450pp


Suspension (SOFT):

110 / 110
5.71 / 4.76
1 / 3
2 / 4
6 / 5
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.05

Racing brakes:

4 / 6

LSD:

8
22
16

I've added 50kg of ballast in the nose (-50). This increased traction and therefore performance and makes this great tune into possibly the best FF car. Thanks!

Edit: online racing with the RS 08 revealed that the megane is fast on fast tracks like big willow. On tighter tracks it's weight is a disadvantage.

 

[Sparky13]

Peugeot 905B Evo 1 Bis LM '92 - RACING hards - 685pp (V3)

Stock: aero, gearbox, power, tyres


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

70 / 70
13.76 / 14.02
4 / 2
4 / 2
2 / 1
0.5 / 0.5
-0.50 / +0.50

Racing brakes:

4 / 5

LSD:

20
10
25 (adjust to suit your style: lower = more lift off turn in (oversteer), higher = less (understeer)

NOTE:

These (type of) cars on these tyres will need quite different adjustments according to driving style. Don't make snap decisions on adjustments from first lap, it takes approximately 10-15 miles (20k's) before tyres really start to 'kick in', when they do, it makes a huge difference.

Test with fuel / tyre wear on fast, do at least 6-10 laps and adjust owing to how long you'll be on track i.e. each stint.

My fastest laps with these cars all came in the middle of the stint, at first car feels a bit twitchy, bu gets better and better each lap. End of stint, car has still has balance and grip, but slightly lower lap times.

Some tracks i.e. La Sarthe, may need bespoke setup for that track owing to the track surface.

Gearbox @ stock isn't too bad, these cars have so much torque that short shifting out of tight corners doesn't hurt the lap time too badly. You'll need to balance traction with tyre wear - for some short shifting to save tyres will be needed, for others, the opposite, hard acceleration to keep heat in tyre or even tyre wear will be necessary.

Only change aero as last resort, try to keep stock difference (between fr and rr) whatever strength of aero you're using (low, medium, high).

Using RM or RS tyres will affect the balance - post on thread if help is needed with adjustments.

I am having fits with this car. I upgraded the power to outrun higher horse cars on the straights. As of now I'm sitting at about 955 hp. Do you have a suspension setup for a planted driving style. I've messed with it some but I just can't seem to cure the over steer when entering corners or clipping curbs at the apex of a turn. Also the rear of the car feels a bit jumpy when I get hard on the brakes. I play with a pad controller and sensitivity set to 4. Any help you could offer would be awesome.

 

[GT_Astroboy]

Maserati GranTurismo S '08 - SPORTS medium - 577pp (not oil changed/run in) (V2.1)

Engine - max tuned
FULL weight reduction, stage 3, bonnet & windows - 1320kgs
Full custom gearbox (stock ratios)

Aero:

Aero kit
Flat floor, first custom spoiler (rear lip spoiler, NOT big race wing)

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

110 / 110
9.83 / 13.12
4 / 1
6 / 3
5 / 5
0.5 / 0.5
-0.15 / +0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
13
13

Sublime... not about winning races, just pure driving pleasure.. Simply superb

This is indeed a beautiful car and an exquisite tune. Very responsive to throttle on entry and exit. It takes finesse to drive the softer suspension.. "Sublime" is an accurate descriptor.

 

[Prince.M5]

BMW M5 '08 - SPORTS medium - 550pp (V2.1)

Stock: aero, gearbox

Engine -exhaust parts
Weight reduction stage 3 - 1391kgs


* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *


Suspension (SOFT):

130 / 130
6.28 / 7.95
2 / 1
3 / 2
6 / 7
0.3 / 0.7
-0.08 / +0.04

Suspension (HARD - grip/planted rear):

130 / 130
10.87 / 12.97
5 / 3
7 / 4
3 / 5
0.3 / 0.7
-0.10 / +0.05

Suspension (HARD - rear more loose):

130 / 130
10.77 / 17.29
5 / 6
7 / 7
3 / 3
0.5 / 0.5
-0.10 / +0.05

Racing brakes:

5 / 5 (for suspension HARD - grip/planted: use lower FR brakes)

LSD:

8
11
13 (lower = more lift off turn in/oversteer, higher = more lift of stability/understeer)

Got to say mate, this is by far the best setup for the M5 that I've tried! Made the car very stable and the rear was very well planted to the track. Great job mate!

 

[paoloevans]

Ford RS200 '84 - SPORTS hard - 475pp (V2.1)

Engine - stage 2 engine and tuning parts, no turbo kit
Stage 3 weight reduction = 1097kgs
Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

115 / 115
5.76 / 8.17
2 / 1 (for more rotation use 2 for rear compression)
2 / 3
7 / 6
0.5 / 0.5
-0.05 / +0.05

Racing brakes:

4 / 5 (if car unstable under braking, reverse fr & rr - use higher number on rear)

LSD:

8 / 14
30 / 11
15 / 15

FR / RR torque distribution:

35:65

Love this thanks!

 

[RiffleKing]

Peugeot 207 GTi '07 - SPORTS hard - 450pp

Stock: aero

Full weight reduction = 1030kgs
MID turbo + other tuning parts
Custom gearbox - stock ratio's

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension (SOFT):

115 / 115
3.83 / 3.35
1 / 3
2 / 4
6 / 5
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.08

Suspension (HARD):

115 / 115
8.04 / 4.71
3 / 5
5 / 6
3 / 3 (use 4 / 4 for tracks / tyres with high grip)
0.3 / 0.7
+0.10 / -0.08

Racing brakes:

4 / 5

LSD:

8
18
18

NOTE:

For more lift off turn in, raise fr ride height and lower rr same amount, change 3mm at a time i.e. 115/112, 118/112.

Recommend running long 1st and 2nd gear to help put power down, with mid turbo it helps to protect front tyres from too much wear.

There are a lot of gems in here! This is one of many that I'm glad not to have missed. 👍

 

[Racing ralf]

Lotus Esprit V8 '02 - SPORTS hard - 550pp (V2.1)

Stock: aero

Engine - HIGH turbo, semi racing exhaust
Weight reduction stage 3 - 1145kgs
Fully custom gearbox (stock ratios)

* * * ALWAYS read 1st post before trying setup * * *

Suspension:

110 / 110
5.87 / 5.75
2 / 1
4 / 2
5 / 5
0.0 / 0.0
-0.10 / 0.02

Racing brakes:

5 / 5

LSD:

8
10
24 (reduce for more lift off turn in, increase for less)

Love or hate car, getting brakes, but especially turn in and lifting off settings right for you is almost essential. Doesn't reward aggression going into a corner, it's all about being very smooth braking and going in and getting car setup 'right' (for you) at apex..

Get it right and it's superb, but if it's not dialled in right, or not timed right then it's a mare...

50kg at -50 (nose) plus spoiler at the rear at +20 does not necessarily make this car quicker, but a lot easier to drive with this set up and you can drive more consistently (more foregiven when you make an small error).