How to Improve Abu Dhabi
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- astrosdude91
Add a loop-de-loop and a couple of jumps.
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Maybe have the corner at the end of the back straight a bit tighter.
The hairpin of turn 4 you put in would have no runoff due to a massive grandstand. but oh well, stops you making a mistake.
The Outlaw
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The layout isn't the issue, last years regulations were (particularly in F1). I guarantee this year will be an absolute circus of a race, with the drag reduction system, reduced DF levels, new tires (which require more skill and knowledge), and KERS (some cars won't have KERS either). We could very well see multiple overtakes on nearly every lap (especially down the long straight) 
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The layout is an issue to an extent as all of the heavy braking zones are followed by chicanes, so anybody who makes a move up the inside is hung out to dry on the outside for the next part of the chicane.
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That really depends on how the overtake is executed. If you were to setup an overtake on the inside approaching the heavy braking zones to the chicane, you would want to carry as much speed as possible under entry so that you basically leave the driver on the outside with no option but to back off, as the car on the inside would already be a fair bit ahead at that point.
example @ 1:55 (was a bit of a dive bomb but still illustrate my point to a good degree).
Edit: I thought I'd add that the problem last year (F1 @ Abu Dhabi) was mainly that the cars were all hitting their rev limiters well before the braking zone (a problem which is far too overlooked), and the Renault's (who held up the 2 of the cotenders - Alonso/Hamilton) were very quick in the straights and had excellent traction out of the slow speed corners.
Fortunately with the new regs the issue of hitting the rev limiter early on in the straight won't be such an issue, as so many other variables will affect overtaking, and the teams might also setup the 7th gear ratio so that it is maximised while the rear wing is down and drag is reduced. Some other points:
- Less grip and durability with the tires means that driver skill will play a bigger part in general, and if you get into a fight with another car you will have to react methodically in order to look after your tires in the best way possible.
-The new tires also affect the way the drivers are able to brake as well. Alonso has stated that with the new tires you can't brake as hardly as before, or you risk degrading your tires very quickly. Now maybe if an overtake is needed then the driver will ask for that bit extra from the tires. So this is another area which might improve racing, partiularly at Abu Dhabi.
- Less durable tires will also mean we will likely see a bigger difference in pace while the cars are on track on new/old stints
- KERS which will improve racing/overtaking in general
- The ability of each driver to use KERS to it's full potential
- The Drag Reduction System which will allow the following car to get a nice tow down the long straights
- Single deck diffuser which will reduce disturbed air for the following car
example @ 1:55 (was a bit of a dive bomb but still illustrate my point to a good degree).
Edit: I thought I'd add that the problem last year (F1 @ Abu Dhabi) was mainly that the cars were all hitting their rev limiters well before the braking zone (a problem which is far too overlooked), and the Renault's (who held up the 2 of the cotenders - Alonso/Hamilton) were very quick in the straights and had excellent traction out of the slow speed corners.
Fortunately with the new regs the issue of hitting the rev limiter early on in the straight won't be such an issue, as so many other variables will affect overtaking, and the teams might also setup the 7th gear ratio so that it is maximised while the rear wing is down and drag is reduced. Some other points:
- Less grip and durability with the tires means that driver skill will play a bigger part in general, and if you get into a fight with another car you will have to react methodically in order to look after your tires in the best way possible.
-The new tires also affect the way the drivers are able to brake as well. Alonso has stated that with the new tires you can't brake as hardly as before, or you risk degrading your tires very quickly. Now maybe if an overtake is needed then the driver will ask for that bit extra from the tires. So this is another area which might improve racing, partiularly at Abu Dhabi.
- Less durable tires will also mean we will likely see a bigger difference in pace while the cars are on track on new/old stints
- KERS which will improve racing/overtaking in general
- The ability of each driver to use KERS to it's full potential
- The Drag Reduction System which will allow the following car to get a nice tow down the long straights
- Single deck diffuser which will reduce disturbed air for the following car
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Like this:
The big poblem I had was figuring out what to do with the section around the hotel. It wasn't long before I realised nothing could be done, and so decided to concetrate on other areas.
The obvious major change here is that it's a figure-of-eight design. This only works because of the space under the grandstand at the current switchback. And before anyone suggests that this would be impossible because of the danger presented by a Webber-style airborne accident, check the new corner numberings: the cars actuall go down the back straight in the opposite direction to what they do now.
The only real problem I have is at the end of the back straight: there's no way to slow the cars down before the hairpin, and no run-off on the outside to make it safe. However, because slowing the cars down would involve adding a chicane like the existing one, I'm in no hurry to do it. The sport is so incredibly safe these days tht it shouldn't be a problem. The other trick that needs to be sorted is in working out exactly how the flyover would work ...
The big poblem I had was figuring out what to do with the section around the hotel. It wasn't long before I realised nothing could be done, and so decided to concetrate on other areas.
The obvious major change here is that it's a figure-of-eight design. This only works because of the space under the grandstand at the current switchback. And before anyone suggests that this would be impossible because of the danger presented by a Webber-style airborne accident, check the new corner numberings: the cars actuall go down the back straight in the opposite direction to what they do now.
The only real problem I have is at the end of the back straight: there's no way to slow the cars down before the hairpin, and no run-off on the outside to make it safe. However, because slowing the cars down would involve adding a chicane like the existing one, I'm in no hurry to do it. The sport is so incredibly safe these days tht it shouldn't be a problem. The other trick that needs to be sorted is in working out exactly how the flyover would work ...
Seismica
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Run the circuit in reverse. That should just about do it. (See I was beaten to it above ^ Didn't notice the new corner numbers)
Or replace turn 4-5-6 with a mini replica of spoon corner at Suzuka, and extend the end of the main straight to make it a hairpin followed by a long curve, rather than a tight chicane that favours the defending driver. The rest of the circuit is fine as it is.
Or replace turn 4-5-6 with a mini replica of spoon corner at Suzuka, and extend the end of the main straight to make it a hairpin followed by a long curve, rather than a tight chicane that favours the defending driver. The rest of the circuit is fine as it is.
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Isn't this the fault of the teams not running sufficiently long gear ratios? There is always a rev limit, how low it is shouldn't be a problem if they alter their gears.
I think the GP2 Asia races there have displayed how useless the circuit is. I wouldn't use V8 Supercars as an example because we can apply that to any track and they will always overtake better. Touring Cars almost always produce far more overtaking than any other series at even the "worst" tracks.
I guess the main problem with Abu Dhabi is that the main places where the cars frequently catch each other up are just before either straights where the advantage is lost or sections which are too difficult to overtake (Hotel complex - too narrow and all negative camber corners). While the negative camber does catch drivers out, it doesn't provide the chance to overtake, so all it does is slow people down and bunch them up.
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I believe the answer to making the Yas Marina circuit better is actually rather simple...
There we go!
There we go!
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^^^ +1 internet for you.
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I believe the answer to making the Yas Marina circuit better is actually rather simple...
There we go!
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I had another go, it would be much better like this. (+1 internets if you know what it is)
A poor drawing of Deap forest.
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A rather accurate drawing of Oesterreichring before it became A1-Ring.
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You win.
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Let's bring this thread back...
As you can see, I rounded many of the sharp, abrupt turns and removed or changed many of the chicanes. Maybe I'll try a better one tomorrow.
As you can see, I rounded many of the sharp, abrupt turns and removed or changed many of the chicanes. Maybe I'll try a better one tomorrow.
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This one was designed for F1Fanatic by Populous (same guys who designed the Silverstone Arena Circuit):
I don't really like that triple-hairpin idea very much though
Then there is my version
The part going under the hotel could be on a bridge:idea:
I don't really like that triple-hairpin idea very much though
Then there is my version
The part going under the hotel could be on a bridge:idea:
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Abu Dhabi to make track changes. The news we've all been waiting for. Looking forward to the plans being unveiled.
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The fact that they are actually aware that there are fundamental problems with the track design and are going to make changes is a good thing. There is the chance it could get worse, but I doubt it. I don't think Tilke wants to embarrass himself.
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At least get rid off some of the run off. Change it into grass or gravel instead. What's the point of a car going miles off line and not getting punished?
Seismica
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If run in the same direction as the current circuit (Anti-clockwise) it would create overtaking opportunities early on in the race that turn one usually denies the drivers. Followed by a quick right-left chicane to challenge the drivers on the beginning of the straight (Maybe make it downhill by building up this end of the circuit?)
The changes to the end of the straight allow drivers to overtake without being royally screwed by the tight chicane on the exit. The track on the exit will be wide enough to allow this.
But realistically this can't happen, as it would require extensive reconstruction and I think, actually goes outside the boundaries originally given to Tilke to use.
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Plans unveiled:
- The chicane into the hairpin will be made wider to let drivers explore different lines and go into the hairpin itself a little faster.
- The exit of turn nine will be banked (it currently has negative camber) to try and create a higher, faster line.
- Turns thirteen and fourteen (the bottom of the circuit) will be reprofiled to become a sweeper.
- The chicane into the hairpin will be made wider to let drivers explore different lines and go into the hairpin itself a little faster.
- The exit of turn nine will be banked (it currently has negative camber) to try and create a higher, faster line.
- Turns thirteen and fourteen (the bottom of the circuit) will be reprofiled to become a sweeper.
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The layout isn't the issue, last years regulations were (particularly in F1). I guarantee this year will be an absolute circus of a race, with the drag reduction system, reduced DF levels, new tires (which require more skill and knowledge), and KERS (some cars won't have KERS either). We could very well see multiple overtakes on nearly every lap (especially down the long straight)
I think this is right, but I think the changes they're discussing could help too.
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