Hyundai Ioniq 5N is Coming to Gran Turismo 7’s Next Update

[Meythia]

It’s a fact that’s embedded in GT history.

So, you rather have no changes at all? No progress, no nothing new?
All still driving Benz Motorwagen 1, because new means bad?

 

[Nielsen]

So, you rather have no changes at all? No progress, no nothing new?
All still driving Benz Motorwagen 1, because new means bad?

I didn’t say I wanted nothing new. It’s not like the EVs bring any changes to the game. They simply come with fewer aspects to explore, because EVs are mostly static cars.

 

[Scaff]

I think it does.#

Based on the replies you have receieved, that doesn't appear to be the case.

I more or less supported it from the very beginning. ICE cars are oftentimes fully compatible with the Tuning Shop and GT Auto.

Often, but not always, and not always fully. As such it's not a limitation that applies just to EV's

There are hours of fun to be had experimenting with only one car model. It’s a design that dates back to the first GT title, and it represents something virtually everyone wanted to return back when GT Sport released without said features. On the other hand, the EVs are almost dead on arrival. One can drive them and apply a very limited selection of upgrades. Forget about the joy of shifting through the gears. Maybe the Ioniq 5N will simulate the artificial gears of the real car, but let’s see about that. The game really offers so much more on the ICE front. It’s a fact that’s embedded in GT history.

That's a limitation of PD and GT7, not of EV's. Do you really think that EVs are unmodifiable?

I haven’t said anything along the lines of mandates.

You have inferred.

I didn’t argue they have no place. However, their influx in GT7 is getting a bit much for me, and I explained why I feel this way.

Influx? Go on then, let us know what percentage of the car count they make up?

Depends on who you ask regarding EVs.

I'd base that one the views of those who have a wide range of experience with them in reality.

I’m ready to disqualify every EV in known existence. They really irk me on every level.

All based on limited experience of one car, on road, I believe?

 

[Rossell2]

No offence to anyone but there's a few posts using massive paragraphs just to say "I don't like EVs."

I'll be honest, of all the EVs I've driven so far, I've only enjoyed the ID.R, and maybe the Afeela once you get around the handling, that actually feels like the future. That doesn't mean they're all bad. Would I have the Spierling, as game breaking as it is? Audis Dakar racer? Yes I would, willing to have an open mind and have a go. I'll drive the Hyundai as well.

Yes there's a lot of hypocrisy and snake oil involved with them, why wouldn't there be? The last hundred years have been exactly the same with ICE.

 

[AlexWilmot]

EV's make up 3% of the GT7 car list...

 

[Nielsen]

Based on the replies you have receieved, that doesn't appear to be the case.

I wouldn’t read too much into that. Some people got overly triggered by the “green agenda”. Apparently it’s taboo in this thread. No idea why.

Often, but not always, and not always fully. As such it's not a limitation that applies just to EV's

I’m perfectly aware of this. But with EVs it’s a chronic limitation.

That's a limitation of PD and GT7, not of EV's. Do you really think that EVs are unmodifiable?

My concerns are directed at GT7. What may or may not be possible elsewhere is irrelevant. The Ioniq will adhere to GT7 functionality.

You have inferred.

Provide an example.

Influx? Go on then, let us know what percentage of the car count they make up?

I’m referring to the Mission X having arrived in November and the Ioniq in January. The EV percentage across those two updates will be decided by the total car count of the January update.

I wasn’t referring to the number of EVs in the total car count, but rather the influx of EVs appears to be picking up momentum.

All based on limited experience of one car, on road, I believe?

I said extensive experience with one particular EV. I cannot even remember some of the EVs I’ve driven, as they bore me beyond belief. I cannot identify what they are when I see them in traffic. I obviously recognize the marque, but I couldn’t care less about the specific models. They also scare me due to how much speed they can pick up in no time and with no effort.

 

[Scaff]

I wouldn’t read too much into that. Some people got overly triggered by the “green agenda”. Apparently it’s taboo in this thread. No idea why.

I would guess because you're presenting it as a grand conspiracy.

I’m perfectly aware of this. But with EVs it’s a chronic limitation.

It doesn't need to be.

My concerns are directed at GT7. What may or may not be possible elsewhere is irrelevant. The Ioniq will adhere to GT7 functionality.

Which once again is a limitation from PD, not from EV's themselves.

Provide an example.

Green agenda, none handle well, no place, don't fit with 'GT', etc. etc.

I’m referring to the Mission X having arrived in November and the Ioniq in January. The EV percentage across those two updates will be decided by the total car count of the January update.

And then that percentage would need to be averaged across all updates, after all for a true statistical analysis we need that as well. Add in a break-down of how many updates did or did not include EVs.

If PD were throwing the likes of the Ora Funky Cat in every update I would be inclined to agree with you, but we're not close to seeing that. Have we even seen two updates in a row with EVs before in the GT7 updates?

I wasn’t referring to the number of EVs in the total car count, but rather the influx of EVs appears to be picking up momentum.

See above for what we need to know to see if that is an actual trend or not. So far no 'Influx' has been shown.

I said extensive experience with one particular EV. I cannot even remember some of the EVs I’ve driven, as they bore me beyond belief. I cannot identify what they are when I see them in traffic. I obviously recognize the marque, but I couldn’t care less about the specific models.

One. Your own words, do you not see how small that data set is to then write them all off?

They also scare me due to how much speed they can pick up in no time and with no effort.

Bang go the ICE hypercars as well then...

 

[LSFDRX]

You’re in deep waters with all of this.

No, I'm not. It's frustratingly simple, and very telling that you take issue with that comment in particular. Really sheds light on the thoughts that underlie your conspiratorial ranting.

 

[Johnny Caisse]

May I please kindly suggest clicking the ignore button on Nielsen's profile?

People like them are always desperate to have the final word.

 

[syntex123]

May I please kindly suggest clicking the ignore button on Nielsen's profile?

People like them are always desperate to have the final word.

Even after you hit that button, he’ll still silently have the final word.

 

[GlamFM]

As far as electric cars go the 5N is certainly one of the more interesting ones.

Might actually be the most interesting one right now.

Absolutely looking forward to it.

Wonder if we’ll be able to change all the modes and engine sounds.

 

[MIE1992]

As far as electric cars go the 5N is certainly one of the more interesting ones.

Might actually be the most interesting one right now.

Absolutely looking forward to it.

Wonder if we’ll be able to change all the modes and engine sounds.

Fully agreed. Even if we can't do anything about the engine sounds, the Ioniq 5 N was still one of like, five EVs I was especially interested in seeing.

 

[LSFDRX]

May I please kindly suggest clicking the ignore button on Nielsen's profile?

People like them are always desperate to have the final word.

I've never seen the point of ignoring anyone. You're just voluntarily missing out on parts of a discussion. I disagree with what he says here, but that's not true for other times where I have agreed with him.

You're only short changing yourself by hitting ignore... discussions aren't always sunshine and roses. It's okay to be challenged, and it's ok to move right on past it as well.

 

[syntex123]

You're only short changing yourself by hitting ignore... discussions aren't always sunshine and roses. It's okay to be challenged, and it's ok to move right on past it as well.

This is very true. Something people often forget.

Also important for someone who argues to know that everyone’s taste is like a butt. It’s parted in the middle.

 

[MIE1992]

Now as far as EVs in GT go, I know that PD had expressed interest in Formula E, but I think the question we should ask is what car should be added from the sport's history? I'd imagine one of the newest models would be likeliest, though I doubt we'll get the entire field. (I also don't necessarily think we need the entire field from a given season.) With this in mind, I think we're likely to get a racer from an especially successful team, like Nissan or Jaguar. Of these two teams, the Jaguar I-Type 7 could be especially good, since it seems to be emblematic of their current trajectory, and it would pair well with the potential addition of the Jaguar I-Pace, which had a one-make cup associated with Formula E.

EDIT: I also was wondering something about the upcoming Ioniq 5 N. If it does indeed get featured in a new round of the WTC 600, I wonder what layout would best-suit it? I'm pretty sure that the Ioniq 5 N is best for tarmac, so it's not like I see it being featured at a new WTC 600 round at say, Fisherman's Ranch. But upon inspection of the WTC 600's GTWiki page, it seems like there are more available venues than I thought. And although there already is a round of this event at the Nurburgring GP layout, perhaps the Nordschleife could be especially fitting, given the origin of the name for Hyundai's N. (Indeed, there are indeed two WTC 600 rounds at Tokyo Expressway, too - one for East, another for South, so it's not like having two rounds of the same event at the same venue is unprecedented.) Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that there are only seven rounds of the WTC 600, as I really thought there were a lot more.

 

[syntex123]

Indeed, there are indeed two WTC 600 rounds at Tokyo Expressway, too - one for East, another for South, so it's not like having two rounds of the same event at the same venue is unprecedented.

 

[mikedriver94]

I'm not skeptical but I find that some of the latest cars in the Hybrid segment,like the Renautl 5 The Lancia Ypsilon and the Genesis itself they are the beginning of the future of MotorSport, the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N is a valid example.
find Gran Turismo 7 quite good on this aspect, the rest is all subjective and depends on what we want to achieve! 😉

 

[Nielsen]

I would guess because you're presenting it as a grand conspiracy.

The green agenda is a commonly known motive. It’s not ulterior, which is a trait that typically defines a conspiracy.

Green agenda, none handle well, no place, don't fit with 'GT', etc. etc.

Those examples infer nothing related to a mandate.

One. Your own words, do you not see how small that data set is to then write them all off?

Again, the BMW i4 was an example. I’m not going to review every EV I’ve ever driven, and I cannot remember some of them.

No, I'm not. It's frustratingly simple, and very telling that you take issue with that comment in particular. Really sheds light on the thoughts that underlie your conspiratorial ranting.

Of course I take issue. It’s uncalled for. Also, conspiratorial ranting? As I’ve stated multiple times now, the green agenda is not a dirty secret. Many businesses and organizations take pride in going green. It’s to some degree a PR move. So there’s nothing tinfoil about questioning the possibility that PD is “tapping into the green agenda”.

 

[Scaff]

The green agenda is a commonly known motive. It’s not ulterior, which is a trait that typically defines a conspiracy.

I didn't say it was a conspiracy, I said you'd presented it in that way.

Those examples infer nothing related to a mandate.

I disagree, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

Again, the BMW i4 was an example. I’m not going to review every EV I’ve ever driven, and I cannot remember some of them.

Extensive experience of one. Your words, and i suspect that's on public roads only, as well. So again why should I consider that more informed than those who have drive the 5N extensively on road and track?

 

[Lomic]

So there’s nothing tinfoil about questioning the possibility that PD is “tapping into the green agenda”.

I think that more than everything, PD partners with any builder that is willing to give them money to promote their cars. "Green" or not.

 

[Nielsen]

I didn't say it was a conspiracy, I said you'd presented it in that way.

How would you present the green agenda as a conspiracy when it is not? I cannot imagine how, so it’s quite wild if that’s what I actually did. Or did I also infer this?

I disagree, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

Lots of things can be inferred from text. That doesn’t mean you should put words into my mouth. I haven’t mentioned mandates and they haven’t crossed my mind.

Extensive experience of one. Your words, and i suspect that's on public roads only, as well.

Correct.

So again why should I consider that more informed than those who have drive the 5N extensively on road and track?

I didn’t bring up my experience in the BMW i4 to argue that I know better than those who’ve driven the Hyundai 5N. I mentioned the i4 because someone assumed I have never driven an EV in response to my comment that EVs are like iPads on wheels. Guess what? That’s what every EV I’ve driven feels like to me.

The only thing I can say about the Hyundai in question is that it’s heavy, and not what I would prioritize for GT7 when Hyundai N is also a thing among their ICE models. But we’ve already covered this.

 

[Famine]

Or did I also infer this?

Imply. The writer implies, the reader infers.

 

[Scaff]

How would you present the green agenda as a conspiracy when it is not?

How could someone present contrails as a conspiracy when it's not, how could someone present vaccines as a conspiracy when it's not.

Mystery to me /s

I cannot imagine how, so it’s quite wild if that’s what I actually did. Or did I also infer this?

Did you not claim that....

"PD does not need to write that unless they actively want to promote the death of ICEs."

...seems rather conspiratorial to me.

Lots of things can be inferred from text. That doesn’t mean you should put words into my mouth. I haven’t mentioned mandates and they haven’t crossed my mind.

I've not put words in your mouth, I've said you words have implied it, it may well come from an internal bias that you may not pick up on, but I have, as have others.

Correct.

Thank you.

I didn’t bring up my experience in the BMW i4 to argue that I know better than those who’ve driven the Hyundai 5N. I mentioned the i4 because someone assumed I have never driven an EV in response to my comment that EVs are like iPads on wheels. Guess what? That’s what every EV I’ve driven feels like to me.

And they could well be very, very different if you experienced them on track, I've driven C63 AMGs on road and track, and find them dull but capable on public roads, yet on track they are great fun.

The only thing I can say about the Hyundai in question is that it’s heavy, and not what I would prioritize for GT7 when Hyundai N is also a thing among their ICE models. But we’ve already covered this.

We have indeed, hell I bought the heavier of the two I30n versions because, despite being heavier, it drives better (fastback vs hatchback). A singular metric, taken in isolation, is not enough to disqualify something, reality is not a game of Top Trumps.

 

[Nielsen]

Imply. The writer implies, the reader infers.

I’m trying to get to the root of this accusation:

You have inferred.

How could someone present contrails as a conspiracy when it's not, how could someone present vaccines as a conspiracy when it's not.

Mystery to me /s

Because conspiracy theorists for whatever reasons suspect hidden truths. However, it’s no secret that lots of institutions go green to signal sustainable thinking etc. Questioning whether a racing game developer would go that far is just that. It’s within the realm of possibility in this day and age, ergo it’s not conspiratorial thinking to question it.

I haven’t claimed that the green agenda pretends to be something it is not. That’s a different topic entirely.

Did you not claim that....

"PD does not need to write that unless they actively want to promote the death of ICEs."

...seems rather conspiratorial to me.

To me it seems like PD could be be tapping into the green agenda, like I said initially and before half the forum got pissed off. Meanwhile, we have previously established that adherence to the green agenda is often a matter of CSR. So, conspiratorial? No.

I've not put words in your mouth, I've said you words have implied it, it may well come from an internal bias that you may not pick up on, but I have, as have others.

If only I could see how the words I’ve used are tied to mandates.

And they could well be very, very different if you experienced them on track, I've driven C63 AMGs on road and track, and find them dull but capable on public roads, yet on track they are great fun.

Maybe, but I still doubt that real life circuit experience would win me over on EVs.

I’m not saying this to support my case here, but this whole discussion inspired me to drive the Taycan Turbo? S in GT7. The experience basically comes down to accleration, braking and steering. Not to mention the thing sounds like a spaceship. The word understimulation comes to mind. Why would reality change my mind?

We have indeed, hell I bought the heavier of the two I30n versions because, despite being heavier, it drives better (fastback vs hatchback). A singular metric, taken in isolation, is not enough to disqualify something, reality is not a game of Top Trumps.

You find it better because the extra weight likely has been distributed effectively. It doesn’t change the fact that more weight equals less agility.

 

[Scaff]

Because conspiracy theorists for whatever reasons suspect hidden truths. However, it’s no secret that lots of institutions go green to signal sustainable thinking etc. Questioning whether a racing game developer would go that far is just that. It’s within the realm of possibility in this day and age, ergo it’s not conspiratorial thinking to question it.

I haven’t claimed that the green agenda pretends to be something it is not. That’s a different topic entirely.

To me it seems like PD could be be tapping into the green agenda, like I said initially and before half the forum got pissed off. Meanwhile, we have previously established that adherence to the green agenda is often a matter of CSR. So, conspiratorial? No.

You clearly suspected (well pretty much outright said) that PD did that to further the death of ICE cars, given that you have zero direct evidence of that, it's an accusation of a hidden agenda by PD.

If only I could see how the words I’ve used are tied to mandates.

Indeed.

Maybe, but I still doubt that real life circuit experience would win me over on EVs.

I’m not saying this to support my case here, but this whole discussion inspired me to drive the Taycan Turbo? S in GT7. The experience basically comes down to accleration, braking and steering. Not to mention the thing sounds like a spaceship. The word understimulation comes to mind. Why would reality change my mind?

Yep, because GT7 is the last word in sim accuracy and even manages to cover g-force simulation perfectly!

You find it better because the extra weight likely has been distributed effectively. It doesn’t change the fact that more weight equals less agility.

Can equal less agility, not does. A current F1 car weighs a shade under 800kilos, is it less agile than a a Morgan Super 3 (635kilos) or a Citroen Ami (483kilos)?

 

[pennanton]

Blah blah EVs suck. E60 M5 when?

 

[Nielsen]

You clearly suspected (well pretty much outright said) that PD did that to further the death of ICE cars, given that you have zero direct evidence of that, it's an accusation of a hidden agenda by PD.

I definitely suspected. Here’s what I said:

The in-game description for the 911 Turbo S even flirts with the idea that the 992 might be the last ICE-powered 911. It’s almost like PD is tapping into the green agenda. For what reason?

I specifically brought up the in-game description for the 911 Turbo S. It says the ICE-powered 911 might not live on after the 992. PD does not need to write that unless they actively want to promote the death of ICEs.

You cannot argue that I’m accusing PD of anything there. I’m wondering and speculating. Even if my suspicion was correct, then it would only align with adherence to a green agenda. Thus, not a hidden agenda. Because businesses usually have no reason to cover up showing support for “green”.

What I really believe is going on here is PD choosing cars with favourable licensing conditions. As always. I don’t think PD is actively pursuing a green agenda, but some of their recent actions make it look like it’s almost as if.

Yep, because GT7 is the last word in sim accuracy and even manages to cover g-force simulation perfectly!

G-forces aren’t exclusive to EVs. GT7 is going to have the Ioniq 5N though. It’s really the main concern.

Can equal less agility, not does. A current F1 car weighs a shade under 800kilos, is it less agile than a a Morgan Super 3 (635kilos) or a Citroen Ami (483kilos)?

Is this your way of saying that the difference between Hyundai’s different N cars is consistent with the difference between F1 cars and a three-wheeler?

Weight means everything for agility when choosing between the electric Ioniq 5N and other Hyundai N road cars. Or between the BMW M4 and BMW i4, as I exemplified earlier. That’s the takeaway to be gathered from my posts.

I’m not trying to argue that Max Verstappen could have become F1 world champion in a severely modified Citroën Ami.

 

[Scaff]

I definitely suspected. Here’s what I said:


You cannot argue that I’m accusing PD of anything there. I’m wondering and speculating. Even if my suspicion was correct, then it would only align with aderence to a green agenda. Thus, not a hidden agenda. Because businesses usually have no reason to cover up showing support for “green”.

What I really believe is going on here is PD choosing cars with favourable licensing conditions. As always. I don’t think PD is actively pursuing a green agenda, but some of their recent actions make it look like it’s almost as if.

What you are describing is literally a conspiracy by PD to undermine ICE cars

G-forces aren’t exclusive to EVs.

I didn't say they were.

GT7 is going to have the Ioniq 5N though. It’s really the main concern.

Your concern, not 'the' concern, you're not speaking for everyone here.

Is this your way of saying that the difference between Hyundai’s different N cars is consistent with the difference between F1 cars and a three-wheeler?

Weight means everything for agility when choosing between the electric Ioniq 5N and other Hyundai N road cars. Or between the BMW M4 and BMW i4, as I exemplified earlier. That’s the takeaway to be gathered from my posts.

I’m not trying to argue that Max Verstappen could have become F1 world champion in a severely modified Citroën Ami.

I'm not the one making absolute statements about weight and agility, that would be you.

I'm not even sure why you're comparing the i4 to an M4 when the i4 is basically an electric version of the 4 Grand Coupe. Nor does an ICE version of the 5N exist. The closest would be the Kona N, but that's a significantly smaller car.

 

[Famine]

It’s almost like PD is tapping into the green agenda.

the green agenda

The green agenda

the “green agenda”

The green agenda

the green agenda

«gets called on implying conspiracy»

a green agenda

a green agenda

It's almost like the intellectual dishonesty is ingrained.

 

[Nielsen]

What you are describing is literally a conspiracy by PD to undermine ICE cars

LOL, no. They are openly promoting the idea of phasing out ICE cars (green agenda) by saying that the 911 might go electric for the next generation. Question is if it’s intentional or not, but it’s not a conspiracy when you do it openly.

Your concern, not 'the' concern, you're not speaking for everyone here.

Exactly.

I'm not the one making absolute statements about weight and agility, that would be you.

Statements made within the specific context of the discussion.

I'm not even sure why you're comparing the i4 to an M4 when the i4 is basically an electric version of the 4 Grand Coupe.

Which performance model from BMW is closer to the i4 than the M4? M3?

Nor does an ICE version of the 5N exist. The closest would be the Kona N, but that's a significantly smaller car.

I know that Ioniq is EV only. However, Hyundai N also pertains to ICE models. I already said this earlier.

«gets called on implying conspiracy»


It's almost like the intellectual dishonesty is ingrained.

Read post #228 if you haven’t. Otherwise, read it again.