Livery Report System Being Abused (ATTENTION PD)

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I can tell you I won't be uploading anymore liveries; car, suit, OR helmet. After getting banned because someone got a bee up their butt about one of my helmet liveries, I'm not taking the chance on getting suspended again; or banned.

I'll keep creating liveries, because I like doing it. But I'll just keep them for myself. That way, no one can be offended by them and report me.

The last few liveries that I made (yesterday) are replicas/copies of actual cars from the old IMSA days. I like those old cars; they had some cool liveries. But I'll be keeping them to myself so no one can claim copyright infringement or be offended by anything.
 

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Everyone says this until they've created something that is worth actual money.
I'm not saying we should remove copyright laws entirely, but it certainly can be improved in a lot of areas, because the way the world works has changed considerably since the first laws were written. If someone puts a Coca Cola decal on their car in GT Sport, are they a criminal because they have cost the company billions of dollars? I don't think so. In fact it's probably free advertising. You could argue PD has gained sales because of the livery editor, but how do you quantify this and distribute the revenue among every company that has their decal uploaded in the game? The complications goes on and on.

I'm all for people and companies protecting their IP (and getting rewarded for inventing something), but at the same time, it's common sense when someone is using it for non-malicious and non-profit intent and it should fall under "fair use". Selling a sweet carbonated drink in red cans and branding it "Coco Colo" > copyright infringement. Putting decals on a virtual car for a game > no biggie. Then you have the moral and ethical dilemmas with drug companies "evergreening" patents just so they can have monopoly on a life saving treatment for longer. Is that correct use of copyright? Legally and financially of course, but looking at the bigger picture, it's debatable.

Then again, I'm not a lawyer, and I haven't made anything worth copyrighting, so what do I know?
 
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I'm not saying we should remove copyright laws entirely, but it certainly can be improved in a lot of areas, because the way the world works has changed considerably since the first laws were written. If someone puts a Coca Cola decal on their car in GT Sport, are they a criminal because they have cost the company billions of dollars? I don't think so. In fact it's probably free advertising. You could argue PD has gained sales because of the livery editor, but how do you quantify this and distribute the revenue among every company that has their decal uploaded in the game? The complications goes on and on.

I'm all for people and companies protecting their IP (and getting rewarded for inventing something), but at the same time, it's common sense when someone is using it for non-malicious and non-profit intent and it should fall under "fair use". Selling a sweet carbonated drink in red cans and branding it "Coco Colo" > copyright infringement. Putting decals on a virtual car for a game > no biggie. Then you have the moral and ethical dilemmas with drug companies "evergreening" patents just so they can have monopoly on a life saving treatment for longer. Is that correct use of copyright? Legally and financially of course, but looking at the bigger picture, it's debatable.

Then again, I'm not a lawyer, and I haven't made anything worth copyrighting, so what do I know?
If any company was to take issue with people using their logo in a game their primary concern is likely to be what it is associated with/misrepresentation. Not saying you have of course, but a livery with a Coca-Cola logo on one side and a swastika on the other side could cause obvious problems when it's plastered all over the media, where it wouldn't matter to most people that it was user created. Well, you know what the media is like these days, it would purposely not be mentioned by a large part of it. You can see why a company would want to avoid that.

Then on the misrepresentation side you actually covered in the other direction, so imagine someone places the logo for an ethical human rights charity and alongside it they place the Kit-Kat logo/design, just because it looks nice or whatever. Now again, someone sees that and suggests the human rights charity are supporting "Water isn't a right" Nestle. The charity aren't going to want that.

One further reason could be conflicting deals between other companies. If a company signs a deal with Game A because they believe it aligns with their goals and brand image, they're not going to then want to see their logos within a game they don't believe they match, even if to the creator of the livery it's free advertising. It's not advertising everyone wants.

The vast majority of people are obviously not planning to use copyrighted marks in this way, or even do it intentionally, but companies don't have infinite time and resources to find them all, which is why they usually operate under an automated system (see Youtube) or rely on user reports.

I do agree broadly speaking that copyright laws need serious work for the modern digital era but there is definitely a lot of genuinely good reasons that they need to be exist and able to be protected in some ways.
 
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Didn't PD avoid that conflict with the RX-Vision livery contest? I believe only the decals from the game's Livery Editor were allowed.
Also, the Ferrari thing. Only certain decals are available for that brand in Livery Editor.
 
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So I've been doing some spring cleaning of my livery inventory again today (thanks for the 1000 limit PD), and I noticed there are a dozen or so liveries missing (showing the yellow "!" triangle). Normally I get 1-2 every few months but this time there are LOTS missing, and they are all good popular liveries with thousands of likes, most from the early days of the game.

Examples
Renown LM55 https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gts...arLivery/livery/1329774/1/4908955494772638720
JPS Vantage https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/1078420/1/7349905391685239312
F&F Skyline https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/1699447/1/4828496524290819608
F&F Supra https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/1017110/1/7061723460575168008
Police https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/1985493/1/5053620430558986256
https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/3481791/1/8575488119527212576
https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/2321683/1/5845773550988854273
Herbie https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/1985493/1/8223603776974487576
F1 replicas https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/1067570/1/8502888457827288064
https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/5366599/1/8214650453653192721
https://www.gran-turismo.com/au/gtsport/user/my-library/all/livery/1055499/1/4755833095185236480

At first I thought it's because of certain decals copyright/censorship (like tobacco ads), but it's weird that they are getting targeted now when the game has been out for 3+ years. Then I read that apparently people have been reporting the popular liveries so their own work (usually lesser quality) can get higher up in the trending page to fish for more likes & reposts. What an absolute joke. Well guess what, even with those liveries removed, there are a lot less people checking the Discover section each day so no matter what you still won't reach those numbers. And when the game gets shutdown after GT7 is released, all that will be gone anyways :lol: Good luck putting "most popular livery creator in GTS" on your CV.

That's what happens when you have a society so utterly addicted on social media popularity I guess. PD is to blame too for a useless system. Oh no, we can't get a functional search system, but we can remove liveries for no rhyme or reason at all. And yet, when we report players for driving like an absolute tool in online races, no one ever gets any repercussions.

GG Kaz 👍
I realize I'm a year late. But the lm55 on top of the list is mine. To be honest it's not the great and I've since made a much better version. But I would like to get it back. Has anyone figured out a way to recover our wrongly banned liveries?
 

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I realize I'm a year late. But the lm55 on top of the list is mine. To be honest it's not the great and I've since made a much better version. But I would like to get it back. Has anyone figured out a way to recover our wrongly banned liveries?
Not that we know of. If you still have the original in your library can't you just delete the banned livery and reupload it with a different name?
 
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