new member question

[chives_hardcore]

hi all, im new to gt planet, i just thought it'd be nice to get some feedback about enthusia and ask a couple of questions about enthusia(im sorry if there been a thread already for this, im new sorry )
1. Is it necessary for the use of the clutch in drifting?
2. Does anyone have any preferences for drift settings on particular cars?(ie nissan 180sx)
thanks for the help
again sorry if there has been a thread
can anyone tell me what to "PM someone" and how do i do it
I heard that you should do that before a new thread

 

[Dave A]

1-No, I can drift plenty of the cars without the clutch, the clutch can help though.
2-I trend to not fiddle with the cars but I'm not a huge drifter eithe but on tracks like Dragon range downhill you can't really stop the urge to drift, I just use the normal settings though.
3-Welcome to GTP, enjoy your time here, most of the members are very helpful 👍.

 

[Wolfe]

1. Nope.
2. Not me, I drift all of my cars stock, sometimes locking the differential if a car really needs it.

 

[doblocruiser]

I'm also new to enthusia. Just bought the game last saterday. Very, very nice to drive. Had only 1 question though.

Is it possible to tune the unlocked cars in Time Trail and Free Race? If yes, how to tune?

In enthusia live, upgrades are achieved up to level 10, how to achieve those in Time Trail or Free Race mode?

Best regards,
doblocruiser

ps: I love the 131 abarth from fiat

 

[Hun200kmh]

@ doblocruiser: Welcome! To answer your question, in FR and TA you can both set the tuning level of your car and fine tune it. Before you start a race, select "grid", then select your own car and "options".

btw, the Fiat 131 Abarth is great, but not an easy drive. It's one of those vintage cars that don't have in the game their historical competitiors (Ford Escort RS 1800; Toyota Celica; Sumbeam/Talbot Lotus; Audi Quattro; Opel Ascona; etc.*). So, it feels a litle pointless to drive a car with such an historical success and feel it to be kinda "weak" against other much less important cars.


*The R5 Turbo is in, but it appeared (along with the Audi Quattro) when the 131's fantastic career was coming to an end.

 

[Wolfe]

I agree, Hun200kmh, both GT4 and EPR have strange car choices like that...

Another example: GT4 has the Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo II, and EPR has the BMW E30 M3 Evo III, but neither game has both cars......

 

[Scaff]

I agree, Hun200kmh, both GT4 and EPR have strange car choices like that...

Another example: GT4 has the Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo II, and EPR has the BMW E30 M3 Evo III, but neither game has both cars......

Having worked for car manufacturers I can shed a little light on one reason why this can happen.

Its a commonly held (and partially correct) view that when you buy a licence to include a manufacturer in a game you get access to include all of the models they have made.

While this is certainly true (and then its the developer who gets to pick) in some cases, its not univeral.

Manufacturers are very protective of certain 'halo' (or flagship models) both current and historical, and would not what, even a virtual showdown to be done with some of the dirrect competitors.

So its not unknown for licences to be given for a limited range of vehicles. This serves two purposes, it allows the manufacturers to control which cars appear in specific games and allows the 'undesirable' models to be held back.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Hun200kmh]

Hey Scaff, you're a super moderator! Congrats and my best wishes, I'm sure you'll do the "job" perfectly.

About what you wrote, I must say that I can understand a manufacturer's concern about we (the players) making direct comparisons betwwen "rival" cars. But the truth is that, in a game, such worries are futile, specially in what concerns historical cars.

As an example, the 131's biggest rival was the Escort RS 1800. They should be evenly matched cars, both won many world championship rallies, and it's beyond my ability to count how many rallies both cars won in european rallies and in national championships all over Europe.

But if the game is biased towards one of those cars (not probable, but possible), what does it matter, when we know:
a) the historical truth;
b) that (in most games) any medium skilled human player can beat the AI cars driving a lesser one.

 

[Tedehur]

im sorry if there been a thread already for this, im new sorry
again sorry if there has been a thread

You know what ?
You could have checked by yourself whether the topic has already been discussed or not.
On top of the screen click on Search forums, then enter your key words and press Enter.

enthusia+drifting = 67 threads
enthusia+drifting+clutch = 15 threads
enthusia+drift+settings = 7 threads


And concerning the range of cars available in the game, I really hope that the PS3 hard disk and network connection will allow developpers to provide the games with additional cars after the game has been released.

 

[Scaff]

Hey Scaff, you're a super moderator! Congrats and my best wishes, I'm sure you'll do the "job" perfectly.

Thanks 👍

But the truth is that, in a game, such worries are futile, specially in what concerns historical cars.

If only it was that simple, but the truth of the matter is that manufacturers allow there cars to be put in games because its a prime place to advertise.

Take a couple of examples, how many people had heard of TVR (outside of the UK and parts of Europe) before the GT series? As far as brand awarness goes the GT series has been a major player for TVR, there model range is know in markets they don't even sell in. Imagine how much of an advantage that would be if TVR started selling in the US again.

Another example is Ruf, again how many hits do you think the Ruf site has had since the GT series has included them and the discussions has been raised over the whole Porsche/Ruf thing.

If you were running the marketing department of Porsche, would you want the cars in the same game as Ruf? Not a chance, ever seen a game with both in? I'm not aware of one.

The logic of this is the same, iregardless of the age of the car, in fact with older cars that have achieved a 'legendary' status, protecting there image is even more important.

It is a shame, but its also the simple truth, manufacturers like games as marketing tools, but as with all marketing will do everything they can to protect the image of the brand and its product.

Regards

Scaff

BTW - Flat-out, quite agree fingers crossed for car and track downloads for PS3 driving games.

 

[Dave A]

Take a couple of examples, how many people had heard of TVR (outside of the UK and parts of Europe) before the GT series? As far as brand awarness goes the GT series has been a major player for TVR, there model range is know in markets they don't even sell in. Imagine how much of an advantage that would be if TVR started selling in the US again.

Yep, Peter Wheeler was so gratefull for the boost in brand awareness he gave PD free access to all TVR road cars for any GT game they do. The original Gran Turismo caused a stirr in Japan, they got TVR hungry , after GT, TVR sales in Japan jumped up no end for such a small volume company. It wasn't that TVR's were suddenly better cars overnight, it was just that now the Japanese people had heared of them and had a better idea of what they were about they became more open to the make and more people bought them.

And with regards to Ruf, until GT2 I'd never heared of them, point proven.

 

[Hun200kmh]

@Scaff & L4S: I agree with all you wrote, but I think you're writing about something different, the publicity the GT series gave to some brands, and about the RUF-Porsche issue.

That doesn't apply to the 131-RS1800 or to the Merc-BMW's being in the same game.

I still fail to see why would Fiat say "ok, you can have the 131, but I don't want any of its historical rivals in the game".

 

[Dave A]

The licensing side of the coin is, ehen PD get a icense for BMW's, they'll probably get most of the everyday cars in one agreement, things like the M3 and M5 will be harder to get, cost more and come in seperate agreements, maybe even for each model variation this costs money and time and effort and so on, they'll look at what they can get cheap, then spend time and more money on all the other stuff provided it's available to them.

The other side is the marketing boffs at the companies, marketing people arn't exacly down to earth, look at the situation a lot of games were in a few years ago, manufacturers saying you can use our cars but not damage them, who cares. The manufacturers care, they say that it will lower peoples opinion of the company if they see a mashed up M3 in the game. Look at Nissan, they wouldn't allow thier cars to be in NFS:MW, why because they didn't want peopel to associate Nissan's with police chases. It only has to make sence to the guy in the chair, not us.

 

[Scaff]

That doesn't apply to the 131-RS1800 or to the Merc-BMW's being in the same game.

I have to ask if you have ever meet anyone who working in marketing at a high level? (and appolgies to any member who does).

Seeing an older car in a game getting beaten by its historic rival is still a problem for some manufacturers marketing departments. They see it as having a possiable impact on the history and brand of the company.

I know it may sound strange, but it realy is perceved that if you could beat an M3 with a 190 in game X, then you might think less of the company and not buy one of our new cars.

You have to try and understand just how important brand and its history is to some companies and how protective they can be of certain models.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Hun200kmh]

I've worked with marketing people, but not at the (top) level of a car company, no.

But I take it that we both are speculating, because no one really knows the truth, right?

So, we are discussing probabilities. And I'll give you an example about why I find it (your guess) to be improbable. An example from GT4, and it is about Mercedes and BMW. GT4 has the M5 and the SLR. Both modern cars and "flagships" (I don't know if this word is apropriate here, but I hope you get what I mean) of both companies.

I would think (and even understand) that neither Merc nor BMW would like to have their supercars in direct comparison in a racing game. But they allowed it.

So, why would they have a problem puting the old DTM BMW alongside with the old DTM Mercedes? And, above all, because they were evenly matched in real life, something I'm sure the game creators wouldn't change?

It just doesn't make any sense to me (that they allow comparisons between modern and very important cars, but not if we are talking about old cars).

But the fact is that I'm speculating, so that just leaves me with the fact that I can't race the 131 against a RS1800, and vice-versa. And I miss that, no matter why things are the way they are.

 

[Dave A]

I can tell you now, I'm not speculating when I say they're strange thinkers. I work in close proximity marketing people, I'm not one of them but I get to see of how they work and it's a weird kind of logic that people must care about everything, fun doesn't come into something in a game for example. They won't say yes smash up our cars because it'll make the game more fun, they'll say no you don't mate, we don't want people thinking BMW = smashed cars. They ARE odd in the way they work. You have to remember it's not always the marketing eople though, maybe PD just didn't try to get that car, maybe they did but didn't think the terms in the agreement were good enough ect. Theres so much that can make or break licensing deals, but for final referrence, marketing people thing about stuff in a different way to the average Joe.

 

[Scaff]

I can tell you now, I'm not speculating when I say they're strange thinkers. *snip* marketing people thing about stuff in a different way to the average Joe.

That I can confirm, I used to manage and deliver product launch training for a major motor manufacturer, which meant working dirrectly with the marketing department.

They are ideed a bunch of people who look at the world in a very different way, totally naive in some ways and incredable smart in others.

What they are very, very good at is controling and influencing how people see brands and products, Sony itself is an excellent example of this. They took a kids product (the games console) and turned it into an asperational product for the 20-30 year old market. A feat that is still used as a marketing case study.

You will have to trust me on this, but nothing done in this area is without a deep consideration of the brand.

While L4S is right that a certain element of this is down to PD, don't underestimate just how brand and product managers think.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Tedehur]

Sony itself is an excellent example of this. They took a kids product (the games console) and turned it into an asperational product for the 20-30 year old market.

I agree to some extent, but they were helped in that by the customers themselves. People like you and me have been playing video games since we were kids (I got my first Nintendo Game&Watch in 1978 or 1979), and when growing up we were expecting the consoles to follow our own evolution by proposing games that would be teenager/young adult oriented.
I believe that the Playstation was so successful because it was launched in the mid 90's, and that an equivalent or even better machine launched in the mid-80's would have been a relative flop and wouldn't have met its market.

 

[Wolfe]

You have to remember it's not always the marketing eople though, maybe PD just didn't try to get that car, maybe they did but didn't think the terms in the agreement were good enough ect.

Yeah, in the case of the M3/190E, maybe the programmers/artists/data-recording-people misinterpreted the request "we want to have all three M3's," and went for the base, CSL, and GTR instead of the three generations...

 

[road kill]

hi all, im new to gt planet, i just thought it'd be nice to get some feedback about enthusia and ask a couple of questions about enthusia(im sorry if there been a thread already for this, im new sorry )
1. Is it necessary for the use of the clutch in drifting?
2. Does anyone have any preferences for drift settings on particular cars?(ie nissan 180sx)
thanks for the help
again sorry if there has been a thread

no way - a stock 180sx will drift like crazy even without trying...

 

[doblocruiser]

Question about Driving Revolution:

As far as I can tell I have unlocked 18 Levels with 4 missions each in Enthusia, but I still haven;t got al the cars. I read that it is nescecary to get an S on each Level. But is Level 18 with the 4 mission the last or wil there be more? The last one I have driven is the caterham were you can't use brake and accelerator. Could someone clear this up 👍

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Sebastiaan

 

[GarouGT]

Question about Driving Revolution:

As far as I can tell I have unlocked 18 Levels with 4 missions each in Enthusia, but I still haven;t got al the cars. I read that it is nescecary to get an S on each Level. But is Level 18 with the 4 mission the last or wil there be more? The last one I have driven is the caterham were you can't use brake and accelerator. Could someone clear this up 👍

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Sebastiaan

u need to S all the stages if u want to get all the cars. Yes level 18 is the last. If u dont want to S all the stages, beat the missing cars in free racing.

 

[heavyboots]

And if you get really tired of 18-4, go read my post in the FAQ thread. There's more than one way to drive a Caterham.

 

[doblocruiser]

Caterham was no problem at all, just use the clutch to slow down and control the car

Thanks for the info! 👍

 

[BradP]

I just beat DR. Had to use heavyboots' driving method to clear the last stage.

 

[chives_hardcore]

what the heck is "pm someone" i heard that you should do that before a new thread to super mod.

 

[Wolfe]

PM stands for "Private Message," and you should see a link for that below everyone's posts, inbetween "My Posts" and "Add Buddy."

PM's are basically posts that only you and the recipient can see.