Ok I found this forum about 3 days ago after watching some GT4 drift vids on Youtube. Ive been looking for a good drift game for ages and the best ones are only NTSC and im on a PAL ps2. This forum made me want to get it so much that yesterday I went and baught GT4. Its the first GT game i have ever baught, I played GT3 a litte when it came out but that was a long time ago lol. Im a complete noob at GT and im only 1.3% complete took me ages to do the first licence lol. Im really a bad driver on it lol. I drive Auto aswell. I was wondering if any of you kind people could give me a crash course in manual drifting. I have read just about all of the FAQ. I dont have problems knowing when to shift and so on its just i dont know when to downshift and so on when drifting (attempting badly). Sorry about the essay. Thanks for reading.