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Reading this kinda remains me of a Onenightstand with :drool:

Anyway its amazing gt5 cant even stay in the top 10 for a month

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Elsewhere across the spectrum, things aren?t looking as rosy, especially not for Sony. While big hitters like Black Ops and Assassin?s Creed: Brother landed spots in the top ten chart, Sony?s perpetually delayed racer Gran Turismo 5, which hit shelves near the tail end of November, was completely absent. It was outranked by Ubisoft?s Just Dance 2 and Michael Jackson The Experience, among others ]

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http://exophase.com/20797/npd-december-xbox-360-records-best-month-yet-gt5-misses-top-ten/
 
Racing games are only popular among a certain group of people and not everyone is into cars..
 
^ He is right not everyone is a fan of racing games unfortunatly. So people (such as many of my friends) prefer first person shooters such as Call of Duty.
 
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Spam. I expect more than one-word answers from here on in.
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Hey, you just deleted the only interesting post in the entire thread.


Anyway I don't give that much about sale figures. I already spend more time with GT5 than with the last three COD titles together. I would buy the next GT without any question, but not another lame shooter rehash.
 
This is mostly because racing isn't as popular/liked as much compared to other sorts of sports/games. As even mentioned in the OP, majority of people rather spend time playing FPS' such as Call of Duty.
 
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NPD only tracks American sales and it isn't even 100% accurate at that.

Nevertheless, the journalist is an idiot. How can things be so bad for Sony when most of those games are multiplats?
 
Nobody cares about America only sales, plus we need to compare Apples to Apples.

Games like just dance and COD are games that "anyone" of "any hobby" can pick up and play just to mess around and shoot things. Games like Gran Turismo are for people who are into cars only, so you are catering to just those select people, and its exclusive to the PS3 only.

Compare it to Xbox's Forza and the competition isn't even close, GT5 blew Forza sales out of the Universe.

Apples to Apples:

Forza After a few months.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/forza-3-sales-surpass-2-million

GT5 After a few weeks.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374195,00.asp
 
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LOL What the hell did they expect? Do you have any idea how many people moved to xbox and Forza between GT4 and GT5???

If you want an audiance you have to keep them engaged. This isn't the same world PD competed in back when GT4 came out. There are other options now. They lost business because they weren't aggressive enough to keep it, period.
 
Well, I have gone to 5 retail stores looking for gt5 as a gift for someone. NONE HAD IT! I was all like WTF, you stock "Disney-SIng It" and "Tangled" but not GT5? It wasnt sold out, it just wasnt there! Not even carried!
 
GT Motion
Compare it to Xbox's Forza and the competition isn't even close, GT5 blew Forza sales out of the Universe.

Apples to Apples:

Forza After a few months.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/forza-3-sales-surpass-2-million

GT5 After a few weeks.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374195,00.asp
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That's actually a whole lot less impressive than you're making it out to be. You're comparing a well-established franchise that's been around since 1997, spanned three console generations and a handheld, basically made itself synonymous with console racing simulations, and sold on platforms that sold well over 100 million consoles apiece (Gran Turismo) against a franchise that came along eight years later into a market already dominated by the former and sold to platforms with far smaller installed bases (Forza Motorsport).

Forza had no real chance of coming close to GT's figures no matter what Turn 10 could possibly do with it. If FM4 came along with better racing physics than GT5's, 1000 cars (equal to GT5's 221 Premium cars), 40 tracks including at least 25 real-world courses that were laser-scanned and with a total of over 200 track variants between these, and even more features than FM3 and GT5 combined, it still wouldn't and couldn't come anywhere close to GT sales. It's a virtually impossible task.

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I was suspecting a response arguing against my comment about installed bases, expecting a reply pointing out that PS3 doesn't have a much larger installed base than 360, but that's not quite what I was saying. I was comparing the history of the franchises in general and not just the most recent iterations. Forza has never been available to a platform with well over 100 million owners, or anywhere close to that, but GT has. Consequently, GT has enjoyed much greater exposure and the ability to build a much larger fan base and a much more valuable brand.
 
B Quiet N Drive
LOL What the hell did they expect? Do you have any idea how many people moved to xbox and Forza between GT4 and GT5???

If you want an audiance you have to keep them engaged. This isn't the same world PD competed in back when GT4 came out. There are other options now. They lost business because they weren't aggressive enough to keep it, period.
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"Weren't aggressive enough"? Or was it because that now attention spans are shorter, and gamers are very "suggestible" and will believe what they read on the internet? What have we been seeing on the net since GT5 was released? "It's not the same as Forza!". It's the same exact thing that happened to Killzone 2. That game was released on a Friday at 10am, and by 7pm that night, there were all these bozos on YouTube who had posted videos of them flicking a control stick, and saying "IT'S NOT THE SAME AS CALL OF DUTY 4!!!". It seems history is repeating itself.

I don't think it's a matter of being aggressive. I think they aren't kow towing to the short attention span, ADD crowd, and to gamers who want to play different games, as long as they are all the same. Don't believe me? Why else are there Call of Duty games released on a yearly basis?
 
IceMan PJN
That's actually a whole lot less impressive than you're making it out to be. You're comparing a well-established franchise that's been around since 1997, spanned three console generations and a handheld, basically made itself synonymous with console racing simulations, and sold on platforms that sold well over 100 million consoles apiece (Gran Turismo) against a franchise that came along eight years later into a market already dominated by the former and sold to platforms with far smaller installed bases (Forza Motorsport).

Forza had no real chance of coming close to GT's figures no matter what Turn 10 could possibly do with it. If FM4 came along with better racing physics than GT5's, 1000 cars (equal to GT5's 221 Premium cars), 40 tracks including at least 25 real-world courses that were laser-scanned and with a total of over 200 track variants between these, and even more features than FM3 and GT5 combined, it still wouldn't and couldn't come anywhere close to GT sales. It's a virtually impossible task.

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I was suspecting a response arguing against my comment about installed bases, expecting a reply pointing out that PS3 doesn't have a much larger installed base than 360, but that's not quite what I was saying. I was comparing the history of the franchises in general and not just the most recent iterations. Forza has never been available to a platform with well over 100 million owners, or anywhere close to that, but GT has. Consequently, GT has enjoyed much greater exposure and the ability to build a much larger fan base and a much more valuable brand.
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You can compare GT5 in the month of December, in America only, against every other multiplatform game on the market.

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You can compare an exclusive console racer to an exclusive console racer.

It makes more sense to compare the second, regardless of how long either have been established.

CaptainHarlock
I don't think it's a matter of being aggressive. I think they aren't kow towing to the short attention span, ADD crowd, and to gamers who want to play different games, as long as they are all the same. Don't believe me? Why else are there Call of Duty games released on a yearly basis?
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This is exactly right, the majority of people who play games do not want to invest a significant amount of time to progress, now its all about instant gratification and online fun with friends. Call of Duty lets you jump right into online lobbies and just shoot people, and don't get me started on how many ADD kids are on that game, every lobby has screaming, yelling, and racial slurs non stop.
 
GT Motion
You can compare GT5 in the month of December, in America only, against every other multiplatform game on the market.

-or-

You can compare an exclusive console racer to an exclusive console racer.

It makes more sense to compare the second, regardless of how long either have been established.



This is exactly right, the majority of people who play games do not want to invest a significant amount of time to progress, now its all about instant gratification and online fun with friends. Call of Duty lets you jump right into online lobbies and just shoot people, and don't get me started on how many ADD kids are on that game, every lobby has screaming, yelling, and racial slurs non stop.
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That is NOT ADD.

Those are kids who have no respect for others.
 
GT Motion
Nobody cares about America only sales, plus we need to compare Apples to Apples.

Games like just dance and COD are games that "anyone" of "any hobby" can pick up and play just to mess around and shoot things. Games like Gran Turismo are for people who are into cars only, so you are catering to just those select people, and its exclusive to the PS3 only.

Compare it to Xbox's Forza and the competition isn't even close, GT5 blew Forza sales out of the Universe.

Apples to Apples:

Forza After a few months.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/forza-3-sales-surpass-2-million

GT5 After a few weeks.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2374195,00.asp
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FM3 surpassed 2 million sales in early january, not that bad considering FM1 had a total of about 1 million sales in it's entire lifetime and FM3 supposedly is already in the 4.5 million range. it's not as big of a hit as the GT series worldwide, but it's pretty impressive growth for a relatively new competitor.

GT5's sales are extremely successful worldwide, but not as successful as the past few GT games. it's not that the world has lost interest in GT5, it's just that GT pretty much ran unopposed in the quality console sim racing game department from 1998 to 2005, but since GT4's release, FM and various other titles have stepped up to the plate. it also doesn't help that, while the PS2 was a massive success, the PS3 is just a moderate seller. yes, compared to GT3, GT5 may not end up the best selling game in the series, but 5.5 million units in a month and a half world wide is pretty impressive.
 
Well, GT5 has never really had much attention in the media or at the game conventions (except at dedicated websites like this) compared to other games. So this doesn't really come as a surprise. I guess gaming has evolved a bit scince 1997, people are generally more into MMO's, first person shooters and roleplaying games today. And Wii... Also, GT5 is best with a steering wheel and I guess mostly devoted racing game fans bother to invest in that.

So I doubt that the GT series will ever become as big as it were back in the days of GT and GT2 (also because I guess GT5 is pretty difficult if you try it without any previous experience... just take a look at some of the demo videos of people trying the game at various game shows before the release). Also it seems like the trend for the franshise is to become more exclusive, the new official steering wheel for instance seems to be a lot more expensive than the Driving Force GT. And I doubt that we will ever see "1000+ cars" again (unless they use the same concept of importing cars from previous series which in retrospective was quite upsetting for some) simply because I doubt that Sony will spend that much resources on a relatively narrow title.

When looking at the future my bet is that GT6 - if it ever is to be released - is in essential just going to be a streamlined version of GT5, with a couple of more premium cars, a few new tracks, improved track maker, fixed shadows and maybe some new racing concepts (personally I hope for a "Grand Tour" where you actually drive some of the sections between the races as well. Sort of like a Top Gear special :P). Maybe on a new console that can actually cope with the game's requirements.
 
If not everyone's a fan of racing games, how do you get an impartial person to decide?
Surely they will be biased towards something like FPS.
 
eran0004
Well, GT5 has never really had much attention in the media or at the game conventions (except at dedicated websites like this) compared to other games.
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That's not true. Coverage of the last GamesCom on the leading "Tagesschau" news programm in Germany showed, at prime time, footage of GT5. Which is very rare indeed for a video game to get such coverage.

Renowned Süddeutsche Zeitung had a GT5 article as well.
 
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5.5 Million was on December 10th ;) Its well past 5.5m now.
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GT5 had shipped 5.5 million a few days before it came out. Since then it hasnt shipped any more. Based on the amount of pre-order this game got they probably expected it to sell a lot better based on stats that relate pre-order to game sales.

Before GT5 was released it was in the weekly top 10 bestselling games on amazon for 6 months at least. And that wasnt the top 10 best selling pre-orders, that was the best selling overall. It was being pre-order more than other games were selling. It has to be the most pre-ordered game in history. All the hype before release and the fact that GT4 was amazing and that GT5P was on the all time best selling PS3 games list. Anyone remotely interested in motorsport would have heard about it, and pre-ordered it or got it for Christmas

Did they expect that it would keep on selling???? Most people who want it have already got it. Ok, they will be a few buying in january but not in masses. Its not come down in price yet either. Its still £36 on amazon, when i got mine for £38 pre-order. Whos going to pay nearly full price for a game that isnt as good as expected.
 
Gohon
GT5 had shipped 5.5 million a few days before it came out. Since then it hasnt shipped any more. Based on the amount of pre-order this game got they probably expected it to sell a lot better based on stats that relate pre-order to game sales.

Before GT5 was released it was in the weekly top 10 bestselling games on amazon for 6 months at least. And that wasnt the top 10 best selling pre-orders, that was the best selling overall. It was being pre-order more than other games were selling. It has to be the most pre-ordered game in history. All the hype before release and the fact that GT4 was amazing and that GT5P was on the all time best selling PS3 games list. Anyone remotely interested in motorsport would have heard about it, and pre-ordered it or got it for Christmas

Did they expect that it would keep on selling???? Most people who want it have already got it. Ok, they will be a few buying in january but not in masses. Its not come down in price yet either. Its still £36 on amazon, when i got mine for £38 pre-order. Whos going to pay nearly full price for a game that isnt as good as expected.
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In the UK it is selling a lot. It has been No 1 on UK PS3 charts since launch and has yet to get knocked off.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=282780

You can buy it from Morrisons for £30:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/gran-turismo-5-30-instore-at-morris/848506
 
Why are we even discussing sales, if you truly enjoy playing GT5 i don't think you will care if someone else bought it or not. Most of the games i bought in the last year did not go past 3 million copies sold but that did not deter me from enjoying them. Sales are only brought up in the gaming world, how many times have any of you not seen a movie because it didn't sale 5 million copies of DVD, what you find enjoyable doesn't mean someone else will find it enjoyable







DAVE
 
Gohon
GT5 had shipped 5.5 million a few days before it came out. Since then it hasnt shipped any more. Based on the amount of pre-order this game got they probably expected it to sell a lot better based on stats that relate pre-order to game sales.

Before GT5 was released it was in the weekly top 10 bestselling games on amazon for 6 months at least. And that wasnt the top 10 best selling pre-orders, that was the best selling overall. It was being pre-order more than other games were selling. It has to be the most pre-ordered game in history. All the hype before release and the fact that GT4 was amazing and that GT5P was on the all time best selling PS3 games list. Anyone remotely interested in motorsport would have heard about it, and pre-ordered it or got it for Christmas

Did they expect that it would keep on selling???? Most people who want it have already got it. Ok, they will be a few buying in january but not in masses. Its not come down in price yet either. Its still £36 on amazon, when i got mine for £38 pre-order. Whos going to pay nearly full price for a game that isnt as good as expected.
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Do you think that GT5 Prologue has sold +5 Million only in its first months?

You know very little about how GT sales works, expect an increased total until GT6.

27 October 2009:
http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/5687/look-at-those-legs-game-of-the-day-gran-turismo-5-prologue/
 
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