"PRIZE CAR" Winners???

Discussion in 'GT4 Race Reports' started by Old Geezer, Nov 27, 2005.

  1. Old Geezer

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    I'm sure I was one of the first to post my disappointment with the quality of the "Prize Cars" in GT4.:irked: However, nudged into action by Kent's thread found (HERE) and my own effort with a "Stock" Sauber vs the Formula GT Series (Run back in June) & found (HERE) I decided to find out just how BAD :irked: they really are. Since I'd already run the Sauber with fairly strict rules I decided to use a similar set-up for this test:

    NO Horsepower "Ups" except for OIL Changes, NO Weight Reduction & NO Wings Allowed! Changing Tyres or Chassis/Drivetrain parts Allowed. Plus Chassis/Trans adjustments are "O.K."

    Of course with the "mindset" that MOST of the Prize Cars were "JUNK" I didn't expect to "Win" many races. Boy was I in for a pleasant surprise! :eek: With a little "Tweaking" here & there (Although many races were Won withOUT) I've managed to best the "AI" in 76 Series & 10 Enduros to date. If any of you beat some I didn't according to the rules above, just PM me & I'll add 'em in & give you Credit! :tup:

    SORRY there's not more descriptions of the action...but when I started I didn't expect to win more than a few races & didn't keep notes early on. I've added a few short notes here & there.


    I'd really be remiss NOT to send out a BIG THANX to Kent! :cheers: I foolishly sold several Prize Cars & really didn't relish running their series to win them again just so I could run the series YET ANOTHER TIME! :indiff: Kent came to my rescue & sent me a "Super Save" with unused rides I could buy onto my card! I owe you one!!!

    Beginner thru Endurance Halls

    BEGINNER HALL:
    Sunday Cup: AUTOBIANCHI A112 Abarth '79 87-134 A-Spec [Changed Oil / Tyres/Running Gear]
    MR Challenge: LOTUS Esprit Turbo HC '87 44-65 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Light Weight K Cup:: GINETTA G4 '64 2-3 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Sport Truck Race:: CHEVROLET Silverado SST Concept '02 6ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    PROFESSIONAL HALL:
    Clubman Cup: MAZDA Mazdaspeed 6 '05 114-126 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Tuning Car Grand Prix: NISSAN OPTION Stream Z '04 2-3 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Race of NA Sports: HONDA NSX-R Concept '01 136-154 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Race of Turbo Sports: MAZDA BP FALKEN RX-7 (D1GP) '03 24-64 A-Spec [Changed Oil ONLY]
    Boxer Spirit: RUF CTR Yellow Bird '87 8-10 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    World Compact Car Race: HONDA S800 RSC Race Car '68 94ea A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres ONLY]
    Supercar Festival: CIZETA V16T '94 NO A-Spec notes!:dunce: [Changed Oil & Tyres ONLY]

    EXTREME HALL:
    Gran Turismo All Stars: BMW MacLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97 157-181 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres ONLY]
    By FAR the BEST Series I ran! Full race report to follow soon.
    Dream Car Championship: NISSAN GT-R Concept LM Race Car '02 7ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Like The Wind: VOLKSWAGEN Nardo W12 Concept '01 200 A-Spec [Changed Oil ONLY]
    Polyphony Digital Cup: OPERA PERFORMANCE S2000 '04 4ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Formula GT World: SAUBER Mercedes C9 Race Car '89 55-90 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres ONLY]

    ENDURANCE HALL:
    Laguna Seca 200 Miles: FORD GT40 Race Car '69
    (Didn't run but NO Doubt it would win)


    Nurburgring 4 Hours Endurance: Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 1 A-Spec Changed to S-1 Tyres ONLY!!!
    Ran a short test...3.5 Minutes ahead at the end of 5 Laps!


    El Captain 200 Miles: TOYOTA 88C-V Race Car (MINOLTA) '89
    (Didn't actually run this one but NO Doubt it would win although it'd be a "Handfull" on Sport Tyres!):eek:


    Sarthe Circuit 24 Hours I: AUDI R8 '01 7 A-Spec Changed Oil & R-3/R-2 Tyres ONLY!!!
    I ran a 1.5 hour test during which I established a 3 minute lead in 26+ Laps & Lapped three of the five "AI". This against a "Stellar" field including the NISSAN Siblings [R-89 & R-92], an AUDI R-8, PESCAROLO & CORVETTE!!! This computes to about a 14 Lap lead over the R-92 by the end of 24 hours :tup:


    Sarthe Circuit 24 Hours II: BENTLEY Speed 8 Race Car '03 56 A-Spec Changed Oil & R-2/R-1 Tyres ONLY!!!
    I was in 5th by the DUNLOP Bridge, narrowed the gap up to the Minolta TOYOTA's tailights right at the start of the Mulsanne...caught a "Slingshot" draft from him & passed the three front runners "Like Freight Train Passin' a Tramp!" Only ran a TEN LAP test this time but the Bentley's an OBVIOUS winner here! :) Over a minute ahead & everyone had pitted. Even talking into account losing HP & the Chassis going away The "Margin" would most likely be 12-13 Laps at the end! :tup:


    Suzuka 1000km: LISTER Storm V12 Race Car '99 10 A-Spec Changed Oil & R-1/R-2 Tyres ONLY!!!
    I must post this one "Conditionally" as it would be VERY Close at the finish in my opinion! :eek: THANX to Smallhorses thread found HERE I knew somewhat what strategy the "AI" would use. Ran the test out to 30 Laps at which time I was 25 seconds in the lead...BUT...taking into account that I'd need to stop 6-7 more times for TYRES (The LISTER litterally "Chews" them up! :irked: ) I canNOT say w/certainty that the LISTER can win this thing. I hit my stride about lap #20 & ran off a string of sub 2'03s so I do THINK it's possible w/NO driver errors :tup:
    EDIT:
    Re-examination of my notes shows a lead of about 1+ Lap after 172 circuits "Should" be possible. By FAR the closest challenge I've found in the Endurance section!!!
    :tup:

    Fuji 1000km: NISSAN R92CP Race Car '92 10 A-Spec Changed to R-2/R-1 Tyres ONLY!!!
    WOW!!! What a "Ride!" :eek: Believe it or not...I'd never before driven this thing! Absolutely murdered 'em! :tup: In 40 Laps ALL the "AI" were down by 2 Laps & three of 'em were down by more!!! I figure the 2nd place car would be down 10-12 Laps in the end !!!
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    Motegi 8 Hours Endurance: HONDA NSX-R LM Edition Road Car '02 1 A-Spec NO Changes!!! NO Tyre Change...NO Oil Change!!!
    I was forced to end the BLOOD Letting at the end of Lap #15 :indiff: What with putting 16-18 seconds per LAP on 'em...I lapped the back markers on Lap #6...then got the leaders half way thru Lap #8. In Eight Hours I calculate Second Place would be around 30 Laps behind!!! Even turned it over to "B-Spec Bernard" (I refuse to call mine "BOB") for a bit. Although he was 6-8 seconds off my pace it would still be a "Cakewalk"!!!
    :tup:

    Tokyo R246 300km: MITSUBISHI FTO Super Touring Car '97 73 A-Spec Changed Oil & R-1/R-2 Tyres ONLY!!!
    FINALLY a race too close to just run a "Test" :tup: I truely did NOT think the FTO capable as PD has chosen to reduce the Down Force to a ridiculous level! :irked: BUT...After a little "Tweaking" & using an "Unusual" tyre combo, I found it was able to get the job done. Full "Race Report" can be found HERE.
    :tup:

    The following due to the "Sharp Eyes" of member "GeeTeeR" :tup: THANX...O.G. [​IMG]

    Tsukuba 9 Hours Endurance: NISSAN Skyline GT-R Race Car (CALSONIC) '93 1 A-Spec NO Changes!!! NO Tyre Change...NO Oil Change!!!
    As surmised by "GeeTeeR", NO race to be found here. Ran a quick test & the only challenge would be NOT hitting the other competitors as you lap them numerous times.
     
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  2. Old Geezer

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    Special Condition Halls
    I did NOT attempt ANY of the Snow/Ice Races! I didn't enjoy them the first time thru & opted against running them again! :mischievous:

    SPECIAL CONDITION HALL (EASY):
    Rally d' Umbria: CADILLAC CIEN '02 1/1 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Rally d' Capri: TOYOTA RSC Rally Raid Car '02 1/1 A-Spec [Changed to R-1 Tyres ONLY]
    Grand Canyon: FORD RS200 '84 10/10 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY!!!
    George Paris: ALPINE A310 1600VE '73 93/109 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!
    Swiss Alps: MITSUBISHI CZ-3 Tarmac '01 9/60 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
    Tahiti: RENAULT 5 Turbo '80 175/175 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
    Tsukuba Circuit: MAZDA RX-8 Concept (Type-I) '01 108 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Cathedral Rocks (Trail I): LAND ROVER Range Stormer Concept '04 31/47 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
    Cathedral Rocks (Trail II): HYUNDAI HCD6 '01 72/102 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]

    SPECIAL CONDITION HALL (NORMAL):
    Rally d' Umbria: LANCIA Delta HF Integrale Rally Car '92 9/9 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Rally d' Capri: SUBARU IMPREZA Rally Car Prototype '01 9/9 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Grand Canyon: MITSUBISHI CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car '02 4/5 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
    George Paris: RENAULT 5 Maxi Turbo Rally Car '85 3/4 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Swiss Alps: TOYOTA CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95 45/45 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
    Tahiti: FORD Escort Rally Car '98 10/16 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
    Tsukuba Circuit: MAZDA Atenza Touring Car '02 197 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Cathedral Rocks (Trail I): SUBARU IMPREZA Rally Car '99 8/8 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
    Cathedral Rocks (Trail II): TOYOTA CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST185) '95 5/5 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]

    SPECIAL CONDITION HALL (HARD):
    Rally d' Umbria: LANCIA Delta S4 Rally Car '85 4/5 A-Spec [Changed to R-3s ONLY]
    Rally d' Capri: FORD RS200 Rally Car '85 101/9 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    George Paris: PEUGEOT 205 Turbo 16 Evolution 2 Rally Car '86 60/38 A-Spec [Changed to R-1s / R-2s ONLY]
    Tsukuba Circuit: FORD GT Concept '02 200 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres to R-5s]
    Cathedral Rocks (Trail I): SUZUKI ESCUDO Dirt Trial Car '98 1/1 A-Spec [Changed to Dirt Tyres ONLY]
     
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    JAPANESE HALL:
    Japanese Championship: NISSAN Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car '02 1ea A-Spec [Changed to S-3s ONLY]
    Japanese GT Championship: NISSAN MOTUL PITWORK Z (JGTC) 8ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Japanese 70's Classic: NISSAN SKYLINE Hard Top 2000GT-R (KPGC10) '70 10-37 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    EUROPEAN HALL:
    Pan Euro Championship: JAGUAR XJ220 LM Edition '01 4ea A-Spec [Changed to Sport Tyres ONLY]
    British GT Series: JAGUAR E-Type Coupe '61 200ea A-Spec [Changed to S-3s & Trans/Driveline]
    British Light Weight Series: LOTUS Europa Special '71 89-92 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    AMERICAN HALL:
    Hot Rod Competition: CHEVROLET Chevelle SS 454 '70 42-69 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Muscle Car Competition: PLYMOUTH Super Bird '70 10-14 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
     
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    Asia

    HONDA:
    CIVIC Race: HONDA CIVIC Si (Mugen Motul Race Car) '87 4ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    HYUNDAI:
    Hyundai Sport Festival: HYUNDAI Clix '01 4ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    ISUZU:
    Isuzu Classic Sport: ISUZU 117 Coupe '68 64-68 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    MAZDA:
    RX-8 Cup: MAZDA RX-8 Concept LM Race Car '01 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    NISSAN:
    Race of Red Emblem: NISMO SKYLINE GT-R LM Road Going Version (R33) '95 78-97 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    March Brothers: NISSAN mm-R Cup Car '01 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Silvia Sisters: NISSAN Sileighty '98 10-37 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    The most difficult thing about these races was finding the RIDE! :eek: They're NOT under NISSAN & there is NO "Sileighty" Dealer!!! I finally found mine by checking all FR Rides!!!
    'Z' Club: NISSAN Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71 24-87 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres to R-4s]

    SUBARU:
    Subaru 360 Race: SUBARU 360 '58 55 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Race of Pleiades: SUBARU IMPREZA Super Touring Car '01 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    SUZUKI:
    Suzuki Concept Car: SUZUKI GSX-R/4 '01 10-27 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    TOYOTA:
    Altezza Race: TOYOTA Altezza Touring Car '01 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Vitz Race: TOYOTA Vitz RS Turbo '02 13-21 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]


    U.S.

    CHEVROLET:
    Vette! Vette! Vette!: Corvette Stingray Coupe (C2) '63 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]
    Camaro Meeting: CHEVROLET Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88 93ea A-Spec [Changed Trans ONLY]

    SHELBY:
    Shelby Cobra Cup: SHELBY Mustang G.T.350R '65 200ea A-Spec [Changed to R-1/R-2s + Trans/Driveline]
    Another pleasant surprise! :tup: This ride is an absolute Dream to drive & helped to overcome my "Anti-FORD" bias to a degree!


    Europe

    ALFA ROMEO:
    GTA Cup: ALFA ROMEO Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65 33-59 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres to R-4s]

    ALPINE:
    Renault Alpine Cup: ALPINE A110 1600S '73 30ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    ASTON MARTIN:
    Aston Martin Festival: ASTON MARTIN DB9 Coupe '03 81-83 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    BMW:
    'M' Club: BMW M3 GTR '03 89ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    CITROEN:
    2HP-2CV: CITROEN 2CV Type-A '54 48-52 A-Spec [Changed Oil ONLY]

    LOTUS:
    Elise Cup: LOTUS Elise Type-72 '01 47-103 A-Spec [Changed Tyres ONLY]
    Lotus Classic Cup: LOTUS Elan S1 '62 66ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    MERCEDES-BENZ:
    Legends of the Silver Arrow: MERCEDES-BENZ CLK Touring '00 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods]
    SL Challenge: MERCEDES-BENZ 300 SL Coupe '54 84-155 A-Spec [Changed Oil & Tyres to R-3s]

    MG:
    MG Festival: MGF '97 62-63 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    RENAULT:
    Clio Trophy: RENAULT Clio Sport Trophy V6 24V Race Car '00 79ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    TRIUMPH:
    Spitfire Cup: TRIUMPH Spitfire 1500 '74 53ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    TVR:
    Blackpool Racer: TVR Cerbera Speed 12 '00 1ea A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    VOLKSWAGEN:
    GTI Cup: VOLKSWAGEN Golf I GTI '76 65-78 A-Spec [NO Mods!!!]

    I was AMAZED :eek: at how much easier some of the races were this time! :eek: Especially the ultra low powered rides like the Citroen & Baby Subie! First time I needed tyres & more HP to best the "AI"...guess I've learned something in 9 months of GT4 after all! :lol::lol::lol:

    As always...THANX for wading thru all this! :tup: PLEASE let me know if you find a mistake!!! Just hope it'll help someone to find a "Good Race" you may have overlooked!...O.G. [​IMG]
     
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  5. Smallhorses

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    Excellent! :tup:
    Thanks, Bob!
    This should be stickied at the top of this board immediately!
    Maybe a quick PM to one of the mods is in order O.G.! ;)
     
  6. Sjenk

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    Omg, fantastic 'write up'! This thing has really lots of information, thank you very much! :) And I'm really looking forward to the McLaren report, I wanted to use that car (when I win it) in the GTWC or the GTAS. If you have won with a big margin, I will save money and buy the Panoz Esparante. Weird that noone ever thought about that car. It's far too slow for it's prize, but it might be the ultimate challenge! :) (I guess the Zonda Race car is slower than the Panoz and I only need 1.5 seconds)
     
  7. Old Geezer

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    THANX Guys!!! :cheers: for the Great feedback! :tup: The "Mac" report is done & posted & can be found HERE. THANX Again...O.G. [​IMG]
     
  8. SnizlBute

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    Interesting.....
     
  9. Gumball-AMG

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    good job fancy boy!
     
  10. FastEddie12

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    Great stuff OG! How come you haven't won the Opel Speedster Cup with no engine mods, eh? Eh??? :dopey:

    Honestly though, some useful stuff there!
     
  11. Old Geezer

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    Because the "Prize Car" is the OPEL Calibra Touring Car (DTM) '94 :guilty: & therefore NOT elgible! :lol:...O.G. [​IMG]
     
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    :lol:

    Seriously great compilation here, O.G.!!
     
  14. Old Geezer

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    SORRY :indiff: I haven't gotten back to this sooner!!!
    Sarthe Circuit 24 Hours I: added to Post #1 :tup:...O.G. [​IMG]
     
  15. Old Geezer

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    A brief Sarthe Circuit 24 Hours II: report added to Post #1...O.G. [​IMG]
     
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    A brief SUZUKA 1000kms: report added to Post #1...O.G. [​IMG]
     
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    More brief FUJI 1000kms & Motegi 8 Hours: reports added to Post #1...O.G. [​IMG]
     
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    THANX for the Kudos Mr.Slow! :cheers: I'll be sure to check out your thread!

    I think you may have missed the most important part of MY thread. ALL the Series/Enduros were won WITH the "Prize Car" from that Series/Enduro! Thus I had NO choice but to use the AUTOBIANCHI A112 Abarth '79 for the Beginner Sunday Cup & the GINETTA G4 '64 for the Beginner Light Weight K Cup! :tup:...O.G. [​IMG]
     
  20. Mr.Slow

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    My apologies O.G. I DID miss the most important part of you thread!!!

    Must have been all the drinking I have been doing the past few days.... :-)
     
  21. dattwell

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    Great report!! I'd like to find more time, but I'm eeking out about an hour a day, between a busy medical practice, twin kids and a wife who is scared that I'm going to do a few more all nighters - had 4 since I got PS2 and GT4 3 weeks ago - got all my licenses in one all nighter. Would like to savour a bit more, but that's life.
    Live vicariously - I like the comment attached to FastEddie12's post "Never put off till tomorrow what you can leave till next week..."

    Great forum
     
  22. dattwell

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    Great report!! I'd like to find more time, but I'm eeking out about an hour a day, between a busy medical practice, twin kids and a wife who is scared that I'm going to do a few more all nighters - had 4 since I got PS2 and GT4 3 weeks ago - got all my licenses in one all nighter. Would like to savour a bit more, but that's life.
    Live vicariously - I like the comment attached to FastEddie12's post "Never put off till tomorrow what you can leave till next week..."

    Great forum
     
  23. Serge.D

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    gt1:100% - gt2:100% - gt3:98% - gt4:100%
     
  24. Smallhorses

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    ^ Today's prize for least relevant post! :dunce:
     
  25. GemballaGTR750

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    Thanks!:D Now I know how to get the suzuki escudo! Excellent job O.G.!!!!!
     
  26. BMWteamPTG

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    no kidding...

    great write up. 9 months will help in GT4. great job m8. look forward to more of your work
     
  27. Skygrasper550

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    is the Honda Civic Gathers Drider car a prize car?? if yes, how come i can't find it in the list??
     
  28. VTiRoj

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    No, its at the Honda showroom for Cr.500,000 I think. ;)
     
  29. raging_demon

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    hey guys...i know this is kind of off-the -topic reply BUT i desperately need a little help here... you see i raced in the endurance hall under grand valley 300 km on b-spec... i was hoping to get the mercedez benz c9 sauber as a prize car, however i got an auto union streamlined race car that dates back to 1940's 0r something...i tried to race for the second time hoping the prize car would change but it didn't. i still got the same weird looking vintage race car.. i really want the mercedez sauber....pls..if anyone has the same experience or know how to get the mercedez sauber pls help...tnx guys..
     
  30. Smallhorses

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    We help those that help themselves here.
    Your answer if you can be bothered to look, is in Post #1 the prizecar thread I linked to in your last locked thread.
    Have a quick look, or would you like to be spoonfed like a baby?

    "pls" & "tnx" are not real words, you need to use capital letters where appropriate too please. ;)