Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Shame if true. He should have suffered a lot longer in a Russian prison and then serve some more time over here.

I hope his dead was full of agony, pain and mental terror. ****ing asswipe.
 
No one reporting his death, I am subscribed at aggregator tg channels that would report this in few hours at most. Still, could be some no name or Ukrainians spreading fake stuff.
No independent media anywhere.
Every Russian region has, at least, one small independent internet media. Plenty of federal level independente medias has few hundreds subscribers.
Those are crowdfunded or doing adds for local businesses, so its peak of independence.

There are big media with millions of subscribers that are funded by Western grants. Think of FOX or SNN level of independence.

They struggle, but still working.
 
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Discord banned in RF.
Z-channels saying that Discord was used as streaming service for RUAF and that ban of it injuring tactical management of forces.

Its well known that Discord is one of the communication tools for Ukrainian armed forces
 
this dicktator-sucking worm
From realpolitik standpoint:

Russia is bigger, has few times more resources and population. Western support till 2022 invasion was mostly non-lethal with Javelins at most(sent under Trump, Obama didn't send any lethal weapons when RF annexed Crimea). Zelenskiy, meanwhile, sabotaged Minsk agreements and personally insulted Russian dictator few times. Even when US warned him about Russian invasion, he did nothing to prevent it.

Its miracle that he wasn't killed by Russian specops in February 2022 and whole Ukrainian resistance not collapsed in result.

Now, Ukraine losing at all fronts, 30% of its economy nonexistent, 30% of its population is gone and, most likely, wouldn't be back. Instead of seeking peace, Zelenskiy trying to convince NATO and EU to take him inside(and participate in conflict), while situation with corruption, free speech and political repressions in his country is worse than in 2021.

Zelenskiy himself isn't victim of war, he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power), so its not victimblaming.

All of it doesn't mean that blame isn't on Putin, of course. But question to Zelenskiy "Does he done everything to protect Ukraine from war?" Is 100% legit. Its his job, after all.
 
Even when US warned him about Russian invasion, he did nothing to prevent it.
Nice revisionist history there.
Zelensky this week urged NATO to speed up his country's request for membership in the alliance, saying this was the only way to end the conflict.
In his first call with Zelensky last week, Biden affirmed Washington's "unwavering support" for Kyiv in the conflict.

"We believe that very dangerous rhetoric is coming out of Russia," Zelensky told a wide-ranging press conference in Kiev.

"It is a signal that there could be escalation," he said.

Zelensky said Ukraine was ready to take on Russia if Moscow decides to move troops across the border.

"There is a threat today that there will be war tomorrow," he said, adding that Kiev's "powerful" army was "entirely prepared".

He called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to deny he was planning an invasion.

"The president of Russia should say in public: 'We are not planning this'," Zelensky said.

The only tension Zelenskky had was how immediate of a threat the invasion was with Biden, but to say he did nothing is not true.
Instead of seeking peace,
This has been debunked as well. Russia's only idea of peace is for Ukraine to surrender the eastern parts & not join NATO.

he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power)
He won the election in 2019 with 75% of the voters. He already had "popularity & power".
 
He certainly took his time, but at last the so-called breath of fresh air from 2022 has officially reached his "please keel over and die already" phase.
 
Nice revisionist history there.
0 defense lines were built, 0 proRussian mayors were fired, 0 tries were made to negotiate with Russia. Requesting to immediately become NATO member isn't something that could prevent invasion of country that doing it to prevent you membership in NATO by any means possible. Quite opposite.
This has been debunked as well.
By who?
Russia's only idea of peace is for Ukraine to surrender the eastern parts & not join NATO.
Joining NATO for Ukraine is impossible while Putin alive, anyway. While Putin states that he wants Ukraine to completely give him Zaporozhye and Kherson, it would not happen even if Trump completely shut down all US support. Because Dnepr rivera still here and Zaporozhye is lightyears from frontline. Realistically, peace talks would be about freezing conflict at +/- current frontline.
Even if what Putin wants isn't realistic, its starting position for negotiation.

There isn't any suggestions from Ukrainian side(aside from fantasy about "1991 borders and reparations"), would be cool to see something to start negotiating about.
He won the election in 2019 with 75% of the voters. He already had "popularity & power".
By October 2021, Zelenskyy's approval rating had fallen further to 24.7%
Try again.
 
0 defense lines were built, 0 proRussian mayors were fired, 0 tries were made to negotiate with Russia. Requesting to immediately become NATO member isn't something that could prevent invasion of country that doing it to prevent you membership in NATO by any means possible. Quite opposite.
That still doesn't mean he did nothing.

The bold is just silly. You're going to invade my country and it's my job to negotiate with you? Asinine logic; how about Putin **** off.
By me.
Joining NATO for Ukraine is impossible while Putin alive, anyway.
And there in lies part of the issue. Putin doesn't run Ukraine, he should have zero say in who it allies with.
Well, good job. You've contradicted yourself.
he is beneficiary of it(he gained popularity and power)

So did the war gain him popularity and power, or has it not?
 
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The bold is just silly. You're going to invade my country and it's my job to negotiate with you? Asinine logic; how about Putin **** off.
If you weak and you allies don't give a **** about you? ****Ing YES! World is unfair. Its president's job to prevent such things by any means necessary. Moreover, it was part of Zelenskiy platform to negotiate with Russia and de-escalate, Ukrainians understood that it was necessary. That's why his rating was 25% in 2021(and that he didn't reduce corruption enough).
Putin doesn't run Ukraine, he should have zero say in who it allies with.
Putin is dictator in nuclear country, no one can ignore him.
So did the war gain him popularity and power, or has it not
President in country at war has ultimate power until war is over, yes. And yes, his approval rating skyrocketed to insane 99% in 2022 from laughable 25% in 2021. Not sure how I contradicted myself.
LOL.
 
Its president's job to prevent such things by any means necessary. Moreover, it was part of Zelenskiy platform to negotiate with Russia and de-escalate, Ukrainians understood that it was necessary.
Sorry, but you've been so full of falsehoods these last few months, I don't believe that Ukrainians would want Zelenskyy to negotiate with Putin who would want an outrageous return for not invading. That much was proven just recently with JD/Trump's idea of a peace proposal.
Putin is dictator in nuclear country, no one can ignore him.
Nope, sorry. That only proves my point he should have no say.
President in country at war has ultimate power until war is over, yes. And yes, his approval rating skyrocketed to insane 99% in 2022 from laughable 25% in 2021. Not sure how I contradicted myself.
You stated it was high, then it was low. You didn't choose to mention it fluctuated.

Not that it appears to actually matter. His approval rating was still higher than anyone else at the time.
LOL, you're still wrong & always will be on this note.
 
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I don't believe that Ukrainians would want Zelenskyy to negotiate with Putin
That much was proven just recently with JD/Trump's idea of a peace proposal.
What was proven? By who?
That only proves my point
HOW?
You stated it was high, then it was low.
I stated it give him popularity. Even 75% to 99% is significant gain.
you're still wrong & always will be on this note
Because?
 

What was proven? By who?

HOW?

I stated it give him popularity. Even 75% to 99% is significant gain.

Because?
Stop selectively quoting people and replying to only part of what they say. Address what they actually said and not what you want it to look like they said to your advantage.

This isn't a request, it's an instruction.
 
That's a recent poll, not before the war.
What was proven? By who?
That the idea of peace for Russia is Ukraine surrendering eastern parts & agreeing not to join NATO. That hampers them one way or the other & it's exactly what Putin would want.
This is not a hard concept to grasp. Just because 1 has nuclear weapons does not give 1 the right to dictate the desire of another country.

If Ukraine wants to join NATO & meets their requirements, they should be allowed to. It is not Putin's decision to say no in a country he does not run.
Because Zelenskyy has already approached peace talks before.

Good Lord, there's an entire Wiki article that specifically outlines them.
There have been several rounds of peace talks to halt the Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present) and end the Russo-Ukrainian War (2014–present) in an armistice.
 
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Pure canon-fodder. Poor bas****. They have no idea what's coming to them. Just in time for winter too.
 
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