Shooting at the Pennsylvania Republican Presidential Election Rally

[McLaren]

A WaPo reporters says:

You gotta be kidding me. Of course the whole spin is still squarely about himself but hey, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.


I suppose it's normal for people to act like this after a traumatizing experience - Trump has probably never considered the meaning of his life at any point - but it kinda sounds to me more like he's just going nuts.

Sounds like he should start thanking immigrants instead of vilifying them at every turn. No immigrants, no chart....

It hasn’t. The Republicans will most likely frame it as a “they” tried assassinate me - as opposed “particular group”; if they’re not able to pin it to a particular group.

I am not talking about Republicans. I am talking about grifters who latch onto a single detail of a shooter & use that to paint a picture over an entire demographic/group.

They're not doing that here, they're barely mentioning him b/c he has more in common with their followers.

I 100% agree with Matt Walsh. As good as she may be, there were no doubt many other men whom were better qualified

He & the other chuds are blaming the Secret Service more for Trump being shot than they are the shooter despite the fact the shooter was already taken down when they moved & they followed the same protocol of hunkering down over Trump (his fist pumping & allowing himself an open target was his own doing).

Weird to "100%" agree with that.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Sounds like he should start thanking immigrants instead of vilifying them at every turn. No immigrants, no chart....

I am not talking about Republicans. I am talking about grifters who latch onto a single detail of a shooter & use that to paint a picture over an entire demographic/group.

They're not doing that here, they're barely mentioning him b/c he has more in common with their followers.

He & the other chuds are blaming the Secret Service more for Trump being shot than they are the shooter despite the fact the shooter was already taken down when they moved & they followed the same protocol of hunkering down over Trump (his fist pumping & allowing himself an open target was his own doing).

Weird to "100%" agree with that.

Grifters don’t control widespread messaging. Trump does as well as his mainstream media allies.

The Secret service as far as I can tell are the ones to blame here. Regardless, whether or not her fulfilling her duties before or after the shooting is irrelevant. Someone of her stature 100% has no business being in that position. And for that matter, neither do I at 5’10”


Trump pumping his fist, is just Trump being Trump.

 

[Joey D]

Okay this is a pretty big deal. Seeing a lot more sources of this now. Too bad the cop didn’t dive in but frankly he was at a disadvantage as the shooter surely heard him climbing the ladder. Don’t want to be on the roof with him when the snipers go off. But the shooter’s shots were surely rushed as at that point he knew he was caught.

So yeah I still boils down to a hit or miss. The cops did find him before he shot, but that area still should’ve been within a perimeter.

Yup that's what I was talking about. I just don't get how you're a police officer, and you don't engage a shooter who's clearly there to either cause a mass causality event, kill the former president, or both. Even if you hate Trump with all your being, if you're a law enforcement agent, you do what you need to do to keep people safe. The cop's actions could've easily had the rally turn into another Las Vegas shooting. But every time I see a story about a cop being a coward and acting like, "it's not my job," I go back to Uvalde, where children were being murdered, and the cops did nothing.

Do I want Trump to lose the election, go through all his trials, and end up in prison? Yes. Do I want him murdered on stage? No. Any American should want the same thing because we're not some hellhole like Russia where we kill political rivals.

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Reading more about the shooter, he seems to fit the standard mould of someone who kills indiscriminately. Former classmates said he was a loaner who was bullied. He was a hunter (I can't imagine he was a good one) and liked to wear hunting gear to school. Also, in looking at his picture, he has some classic signs of fetal alcohol syndrome, but also that of Jacobsen Syndrome. Whatever the case, I don't believe he was of sound mind, which makes me question his parents. His dad has some responsibility in this for sure, especially since he purchased the firearm.

 

[McLaren]

Grifters don’t control widespread messaging. Trump does as well as his mainstream media allies.

They absolutely do. These people have millions of followers.

The Secret service as far as I can tell are the ones to blame here.

In regards to how the shooter got to where he did, yes. That's an issue regardless of sex.

Regardless, whether or not her fulfilling her duties before or after the shooting is irrelevant. Someone of her stature 100% has no business being in that position. And for that matter, neither do I at 5’10”

I'll trust the Secret Service's judgement on that. These men & women have to serve years in the service before they are even assigned to protect a President.

Trump pumping his fist, is just Trump being Trump.

Yes. And that's why he's responsible for exposing himself, not his agents.

 

[Yard_Sale]

They absolutely do. These people have millions of followers.

In regards to how the shooter got to where he did, yes. That's an issue regardless of sex.

I'll trust the Secret Service's judgement on that. These men & women have to serve years in the service before they are even assigned to protect a President.

Yes. And that's why he's responsible for exposing himself, not his agents.

As the GOAT once said:

“I don’t give a ****, because Twitter’s not a real place”


And if you’re willing to trust the SS’s judgement, on wether there judgment is adequate or not on whom should be in such details in such specific decisions…then from no fault of your own, you have no clue on how politics affect the workings of municipal entities like this, from a variety of ways.


Just like women have no business being drafted in a military force as mighty as the United State’s, they have almost as much business being on a detail like this.


Trump exposing himself is his own problem, I’ll give you that much. But his/her inability to protect them due to necessary physical attributes, IS a DEI problem - and not a sexist problem

 

[McLaren]

As the GOAT once said:

“I don’t give a ****, because Twitter’s not a real place”

The grifters don't just stay on Twitter....

And if you’re willing to trust the SS’s judgement, on wether there judgment is adequate or not on whom should be in such details in such specific decisions…then from no fault of your own, you have no clue on how politics affect the workings of municipal entities like this, from a variety of ways.

She's in a field that reportedly only accepts maybe 1 in a 100 & has a long list of physical & educational background needed. I trust her more than I trust a random 6'2" cop.

Just like women have no business being drafted in a military force as mighty as the United State’s, they have almost as much business being on a detail like this.

No wonder you huff Matt Walsh's ass on this topic; what a low brain misogynistic take just like his.

But his/her inability to protect them due to necessary physical attributes, IS a DEI problem - and not a sexist problem

Hilarious how this hasn't been some issue for 53 years for the Secret Service.

This isn't a DEI problem. For that woman to be where she is now, she was serving long before dumb ass conservatives were even told what DEI was despite it originating in the 1960s.

 

[Yard_Sale]

The grifters don't just stay on Twitter....

She's in a field that reportedly only accepts maybe 1 in a 100 & has a long list of physical & educational background needed. I trust her more than I trust a random 6'2" cop.

No wonder you huff Matt Walsh's ass on this topic; what a low brain misogynistic take just like his.

Hilarious how this hasn't been some issue for 53 years for the Secret Service.

This isn't a DEI problem. For that woman to be where she is now, she was serving long before dumb ass conservatives were even told what DEI was despite it originating in the 1960s.

Just like amateur-level AND professional sports, A LOT has changed in the physical attributes department since then. Hell, a lot has changed in the past 20 years in that regard. If you had any athletic ability or anything resembling a job that required actual physical labor, you’d get it.

But you don’t.



And the 1 in 100 claim you make is absolute rubbish from a very real
DEI standpoint. If an entity as a quota of only 10 females per 100…and only 20 females apply. Half of them will make it, as long as they’re able to make it through the BARE MINIMUM requirements.

Buuuut..

Those same “bare minimum requirements” can, and will be manipulated to meet said politically motivated quotas.






And yes…

They’re on other places than twitter, but they’re radicalized all the same - similar to trickle down economics. At least on the domestic level

 

[McLaren]

Just like amateur-level AND professional sports, A LOT has changed in the physical attributes department since then.

What does sports have to do with this? Athletes have gotten even better in the last 20 years.

Hell, a lot has changed in the past 20 years in that regard. If you had any athletic ability or anything resembling a job that required actual physical labor, you’d get it.

But you don’t.

That's a big assumption.

What was that you were talking about earlier?

Not to mention, I never disrespect anyone personally,

All the women in my life have always preached; “if you don’t have anything nice to say, it’s best just to say nothing at all - or better yet, give them a compliment”

Didn't take long for this nonsense to fall apart.

If an entity as a quota of only 10 females per 100…and only 20 females apply. Half of them will make it, as long as they’re able to make it through the BARE MINIMUM requirements.

No.

"The Secret Service special agent position is highly competitive. In 2011, the service accepted less than 1% of its 15,600 special agent applicants."

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Those same “bare minimum requirements” can, and will be manipulated to meet said politically motivated quotas.

So post proof this is being done in regards to USSS?


All of it once more, still ignoring that even after being accepted as an agent, she still has to undergo a year of training & years worth of experience as field agent before she ever gets assigned to her current position with Trump.

 

[ScottPuss20]

The problem I see for the democrats, is that the center of their messaging revolves around this whole “existential threat to democracy” rhetoric. Not sure what their messaging beyond that is going to be to entice voters (other than the devout they already have), to actually show up come Election Day

This is what I don't understand. Trump is not a threat to democracy, he's just a threat to the Democrat's campaign. He hasn't done anything to destroy it, but a lot of dumb Americans who do not understand it have. Putting ALL the blame on Trump isn't entirely justified because he's not responsible for the actions of others. It's a bit extreme to suggest that he's an evil person who wants his country to suffer... he wants it to succeed and stand tall in an age of unrest. It's OK if you don't like Trump, but don't make out that he's some kind of monster who's hellbent on making your life crap.

 

[McLaren]

This is what I don't understand. Trump is not a threat to democracy, he's just a threat to the Democrat's campaign. He hasn't done anything to destroy it, but a lot of dumb Americans who do not understand it have. Putting ALL the blame on Trump isn't entirely justified because he's not responsible for the actions of others. It's a bit extreme to suggest that he's an evil person who wants his country to suffer... he wants it to succeed and stand tall in an age of unrest. It's OK if you don't like Trump, but don't make out that he's some kind of monster who's hellbent on making your life crap.

Yeah, casually talking about revenge against your political opponents b/c you're suffering the consequences of your own actions is definitely not a threat to democracy.

“Well, revenge does take time. I will say that,” Trump replied. “And sometimes revenge can be justified, Phil, I have to be honest. You know, sometimes it can.”

Or you know, the literal cases being held against him & his co-conspirators to overturn a democratically decided election....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

 

[ScottPuss20]

Or you know, the literal cases being held against him & his co-conspirators to overturn a democratically decided election....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

Cases that have so far failed to put him in jail.

Also, didn't the Democrats say that there was Russian interference during the 2016 election campaign? I know Trump wasn't happy with such a crazy assertion, so why should you be surprised that he'd turn things back on them?

 

[McLaren]

Cases that have so far failed to put him in jail.

You do understand that only 1 of the 4 main cases actually trying him in court have taken place, right? And in the one that he was found guilty on all 34 counts unanimously, the actual sentencing date will not occur til' September. You can't put him in jail for cases that have not taken place or have determined his punishment.

Indictments against Donald Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ScottPuss20]

You do understand that only 1 of the 4 main cases actually trying him in court have taken place, right? And in the one that he was found guilty on all 34 counts unanimously, the actual sentencing date will not occur til' September. You can't put him in jail for cases that have not taken place or have determined his punishment.

Indictments against Donald Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The second case in Florida has been "postponed indefinitely"... so does that mean no trial at all?

 

[HenrySwanson]

Not too late to go to college if that's what you want @Yard_Sale

 

[Yard_Sale]

Not too late to go to college if that's what you want @Yard_Sale

Don’t need it. I’m perfectly happy where I’m at - much like a politician whom doesn’t aspire to higher office 🙄

 

[McLaren]

The second case in Florida has been "postponed indefinitely"... so does that mean no trial at all?

It just means no date set. It's a complicated case at the moment with a lot of controversy surrounding the judge.

Exactly.

Glad you agree you were wrong. We cite articles for a reason in debate instead of soiled egos when you see a woman working.

 

[TexRex]

Trust me…I can be a lot more abrasive like my homeboy @TexRex

And yet you cry like a little bitch that people are mean to you. Weird flex but you do you.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Glad you agree you were wrong. We cite articles for a reason in debate instead of soiled egos when you see a woman working.

Which is exactly why your team of mental giants find themselves in their current political predicament.

But like my ride or die @TexRex says..

“You do you.”






Hey…

We’re still just online friends poking fun at each other, right?

 

[Scaff]

Trump is not a threat to democracy,

He quite literally said he would be dictator for a day and despite his claims to the contrary has a plan to turn the US into a white nationalist evangelical authoritarian state (Project 2025)

Cases that have so far failed to put him in jail.

And the reason behind every single one of those delays to due process is?

Also, didn't the Democrats say that there was Russian interference during the 2016 election campaign?

You mean the one that was investigated and found that "Russian interference was "sweeping and systematic" and "violated U.S. criminal law"

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We’re still just online friends poking fun at each other, right?

No. Right now you're well past the bounds of the AUP. Play the ball, not the man (and let the swear filter do its job). It's not a debatable point.

 

[Yard_Sale]

He quite literally said he would be dictator for a day and despite his claims to the contrary has a plan to turn the US into a white nationalist evangelical authoritarian state (Project 2025)

And the reason behind every single one of those delays to due process is?

You mean the one that was investigated and found that "Russian interference was "sweeping and systematic" and "violated U.S. criminal law"

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No. Right now you're well past the bounds of the AUP. Play the ball, not the man (and let the swear filter do its job). It's not a debatable point.

Fair game. No qualms on my end.

I just assume the rules will be dutifully enforced on both ends

 

[ScottPuss20]

You mean the one that was investigated and found that "Russian interference was "sweeping and systematic" and "violated U.S. criminal law"

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The 448-page Mueller Report, made public in April 2019, examined over 200 contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials but concluded that there was insufficient evidence to bring any conspiracy or coordination charges against Trump or his associates"

In other words, it didn't mean ****.

 

[Scaff]

"The 448-page Mueller Report, made public in April 2019, examined over 200 contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials but concluded that there was insufficient evidence to bring any conspiracy or coordination charges against Trump or his associates"

In other words, it didn't mean ****.

Go back and read your original post again, you didn't mention a thing about Trump or the GOP. You just claimed Russian interference wasn't a thing, don't move the goalposts now that's been shown to be incorrect.

 

[eran0004]

The Secret service as far as I can tell are the ones to blame here. Regardless, whether or not her fulfilling her duties before or after the shooting is irrelevant. Someone of her stature 100% has no business being in that position. And for that matter, neither do I at 5’10”

Both the men and the women protected him by holding their hands around his head. You could argue that men’s hands are usually a bit thicker than women’s, but hardly thick enough to make any significant difference to a sniper’s bullet.

The problem isn’t that the women are too short, the problem is that they let a gunman get access to a nearby roof.

 

[Imari]

Just like women have no business being drafted in a military force as mighty as the United State’s, they have almost as much business being on a detail like this.

Because brute physical strength trumps anything else that someone might bring to a situation? There's no reason to ever have someone who is still physically extremely capable by the standards of normal people, but might bring additional skills or resources to a security operation?

I know you're not dumb enough to have this shockingly stereotypical jock attitude. You know damn well that there are people in your service who do valuable work that is not purely physical. There are MEN in your service who are there because of the non-physical skills and experience that they have. The front line of firefighting requires physicality, but that just means that there's a lower level that people have to get over to not be a liability. After that there are any number of ways that they can contribute meaningfully, and once you've got a certain number of massive dudes the people who have alternative ways to excel start to look pretty useful.

15 linebackers are considerably less useful than 10 linebackers, a sharpshooter, a strategist, a transport and logistics specialist, a comms and tech specialist, and someone to run and get the rest of them sandwiches and coffee. There's always valuable things to do that are not "Gronk smash bad thing with rock".

Back up, consider the misogyny that was trained into you, and then consider if you actually believe that a woman could never, ever provide valuable service in the military.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Because brute physical strength trumps anything else that someone might bring to a situation? There's no reason to ever have someone who is still physically extremely capable by the standards of normal people, but might bring additional skills or resources to a security operation?

I know you're not dumb enough to have this shockingly stereotypical jock attitude. You know damn well that there are people in your service who do valuable work that is not purely physical. There are MEN in your service who are there because of the non-physical skills and experience that they have. The front line of firefighting requires physicality, but that just means that there's a lower level that people have to get over to not be a liability. After that there are any number of ways that they can contribute meaningfully, and once you've got a certain number of massive dudes the people who have alternative ways to excel start to look pretty useful.

15 linebackers are considerably less useful than 10 linebackers, a sharpshooter, a strategist, a transport and logistics specialist, a comms and tech specialist, and someone to run and get the rest of them sandwiches and coffee. There's always valuable things to do that are not "Gronk smash bad thing with rock".

Back up, consider the misogyny that was trained into you, and then consider if you actually believe that a woman could never, ever provide valuable service in the military.

Further to that, I suggest they read about:

Lyudmila Pavlichenko - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Famine]

Imagine being American and thinking that the Secret Service does nothing other than act as a meat shield for political VIPs.

 

[MatskiMonk]

And for that matter, neither do I at 5’10”

I thought you were a fire fighter?

 

[EngieDiesel]

Imagine being American and thinking that the Secret Service does nothing other than act as a meat shield for political VIPs.

To be fair, that's all TV shows and movies in America have been portraying them as for the last 40-ish years. Guys with black suits and earpieces who exist entirely to either jump in front of the President and take a sniper bullet dead center of their chest or ineptly fail to notice the obvious danger right in front of them, depending on who's directing.

 

[Famine]

To be fair, that's all TV shows and movies in America have been portraying them as for the last 40-ish years.

Except for Warehouse 13.

 

[Tornado]

It's OK if you don't like Trump, but don't make out that he's some kind of monster who's hellbent on making your life crap.

Try a pass at this sentence from the perspective of someone who isn't a straight white guy.