Spiders and Roadsters

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This is not a full write up yet, actually I am just starting this off, but within the next two to three days I should have a write up done. I am going to try to take on the field with a Spoon S2000. The first preview I got of the race was with a Motorsport Elise in it. That is going to be the car to beat. Funny just for SAG, I tried entering it with the motorsports elise and it would not let me. Something smells funky here. Anyways I'll have an update probably later tonight.

BTW - I am going to try to do this one with any pits, I feel that it would be the only way to take on that elise.
 
Ok, I must say the first three laps were intense until going into turn number 2 on the third lap after that the race sucked and I felt like a sell-out.

First the cars that were challenging me.
1. Griffith 500 ( I under estimated this car )
2. Motor Elise ( I over estimated this car )
3. ZZs ( squishy yet ? Satisfying??? )
4. Elise 190 ( come on, you already got the Motor Sport )
5. S2000 ( the joker car of the bunch )
6. Spoon Sports S2000 ( Me, a little too aggresive this race )

qualifying -
#1 Griffith 500 - 1'59.149
#2 Me - 1'59.550
#3 Motor Sport Elise - 2'01.188
#4 ZZs - 2'02.098
#5 Elise 190 - 2'02.103
#6 S2000 - 2'07.103

Not bad for not messing with my gear ratios that were last used at Laguna Seca, and still after qualifying during the race I could have used one more notch on the auto setup of gears.

So here we start, quickly into the first turn the Grif 500 and I are already swapping paint. Thus, the aggresive tone I got. I figured this was going to be a long grueling race. Only 10 laps and I am thinking that, not good. At the end of the first lap this was 1st and 2nd
Lap #1
#1 Me 2'08.024
#2 Grif 500 - +0'00.342
We go neck and neck into turn 1 swapping paint again. I had none of that so I took the J turn, Braking really hard from the outside at the last possible point to get my car down from 157mph to 60mph and cranked the wheel hard and leaped out of the turn. The Grif had pasted me into the turn, but I completed the double pass. Then, Grif 500 got mad at me and was bumping me all around the track anytime he could. Finally, the dreaded turn 14, I took the outside while he took the inside, bad move on my part. He tapped me into the wall and he is gets a -1 sec to a + .420 on me
Lap #2
#1 Grif 500 2'01.113
#2 Me +0'00.420
Ok, now this was kinda foul of me and I should have gotten red flagged for this. Going into turn #2 I kinda used the Grif for a bumper brake and he kinda goes into the sand. (trying to make it sound nice) He 360s and I hold it together to come out of the sand at 60mph and a straightaway looking at me. Gone with the wind.
lap #3
#1 Me 2'02.563
#2 Motor Sport Elise -0'06.50
Lap#4
#1 Me 1'58.804 (best lap)
#2 Motor Sport Elise -0'09.321
Lap #5
#1 Me 2'00.519
before #2 passes the line, Grif 500 pits and is out of the race
#2 Motor Sports Elise -0'10.101
Lap #6
#1 Me 2'00.628 -> kinda getting worried about my tires because of the aggresive start
#2 Motor Sport Elise -0'11.065
S2000 pitted
Lap #7
#1 Me 2'00.858 -> not pitting, still thinking about it
#2 Motor Sport Elise -0'11.989
(come on tires last G$# D#$% You!!!)
Lap #8
#1 Me 2'00.422
#2 Motor Sport Elise -0'13.766
Lap #9
#1 Me 1'59.523
Motor Sport Elise pits
#2 ZZs -0'23.871
Elise 190 pits
Lap #10
#1 Me 1'59.681
#2 ZZS -0'27.638
#3 Griffith 500 -0'34.019
#4 Motor Sport Elise -0'42.322
#5 Elise 190 -0'55.044
#6 S2000 -1'40.562
Almost lapping the S2000 would have been the icing on the cake, but it didn't happen. Lesson learned this race, If you wanna win, take out the competition before it takes you out. J/K. Spoon Sports Represents !!! Spoon 1, Honda 0 !!!
 
Miata 13B:

Great analysis. It really plays out well. can you provide some of the settings of the car to go with it? I'm looking at running this race in the very near future, and all the info I can gather ahead of time is appreciated. BTW: glad to have another good story teller on board with the rest of us.

I added My experience from this race, that I did last night. Very close times. interesting. I'm very interested in what mods you had to do to make the Spoon S2000 competitve. I ran the Mugen S2000, and it needed help.

Spider & Roadster Challenge – Professional

The Write-up.

I took my Mugen S2000 shopping and picked it out a racing transmission, Racing Muffler, Stage 2 NA, and a chip. I also picked up Triple clutch, Lightweight flywheel, racing transmission and full LSD. Then super slicks, and lightweight 1. Grabbed an oil change, and a waxing. All these upgrades put me at 347 hp. Which should keep me just ahead of the ZZS.

Grand Valley Raceway
With my settings running like this, I was able to move up to 3rd in the starting line-up. Watching the Griffith run around the track, I could see the smoke coming off the tires. I surmised that it will have to pit, and I should be able to take the win.

Settings:
Spring Rate: 9.1/8.1
Ride Height 83/85
Shock bound: 5/6
Shock rebound: 7/7
Camber: 3.0/1.5
Toe: 0.5/0.5
Stabilizers: 5/5
LSD: 10/20/14
Auto Set: level 25
Final Drive 4.200
ASM & TCS = 0

I was able to qualify in 4th place. I was quite surprised at the competition. I had tried to do this race with the Stage 1/slicks vs Stage 2 NA/Super slicks and qualified with a better time on the stage 1. I ran nearly identical lap times, with the different set-ups. Unfortunately the Slicks wore out in about 7 laps. The Griffith was a faster car, and I was matched nearly identical to the Motor Sport Elise.

Results:
Griffith 500: + 2.696 pitted on lap 5
ZZS: + 6.371
Motor Sport Elise: 16.010 pitted on lap 9
Ruf 3400S: + 51.466 pitted on lap 7
S2000 Type V: + 1’20.239 pitted on lap 7

Best lap: 2’01.212
Total Time: 20’31.907

The motor Sport Elise took over the lead when the Griffith pitted on lap 5. He held it until lap 9 when he had to pit. I was about 6 seconds down at this point. My Spoon S2K couldn’t catch him, and I was looking at a loss, until he pitted. Even then, the Griffith was bearing down on me, having made up it’s 15 second deficit. The Griffith caught me in the last lap, and passed me after the first hairpin. As we approached the Second hairpin, I gave him a subtle nudge into the sand, and he spun out. Dropping him back enough that I could hold onto the win. A bit dirty, but did what I needed to win. Looks like I’m off to spend more cash at the Tune-up shop.

Bought Port & Polish, and lightweight 2. This bumps me to 368 hp.

Trial Mountain
I added 0.5 toe on the front wheels.

By the end of the 3rd lap, I was down by about 7 seconds from the Griffith. Due to some recent OLR around this track, I knew it quite well. I then hit my groove, and began to shave seconds off the time. I was around 2.4 seconds down from the Griffith, when he pitted. I then began to work on lengthening my lead.

Results:
Motor Sport Elise: + 16.547
Griffith 500: + 17.258, pitted on lap 5
ZZS: + 19.626
Elise 190: + 27.641
S2000 Type V: + 1’12.567 pitted on lap 7

Best Lap: 1’29.653
Total time: 15’20.753

This was a fun race. The Mugen felt so good drifting around a few of these corners. I’d like to take it out for a few more runs to see what I can get for times around this track.

Cote D’Azur
I pulled the gears into level 24, and boosted the camber on the front to 3.5. I set the LSD at 7/14/9 to aid in the cornering.

I managed to make the lead at the 4th lap, and began trading it back and forth with the Griffith until lap 6, when he went to the outside of the chicane at the bottom of the hill after the tunnel. He clipped a wall, and had to reverse to get back onto his line. This dropped him nearly 7 seconds off me. By lap seven he ahd been over taken by the RUF 3400s, who was running nearly 12 seconds out. By lap 9 I was approaching the 17 second lead mark, and the Griffith was nowhere to be seen.

Results:
ZZS: + 46.347
Elise 190: + 47.266
RUF 3400S: + 54.103 pitted on lap 10 sacrificing his hold on 2nd place.
Griffith 500: + 1’10.588 pitted on lap 8
S2000 Type V: + 1’46.887 pitted on lap 9

Best lap: 1’44.187
Total time: 26'38.897

I net 30,000 and the Shelby Cobra. I was very surprised to see the competition do so badly. I put together some very smooth clean runs, and walked away from the pack. This is one track that I would advocate using TCS. No higher than 1, though. Anything more and it would counteract the benefit it provided. I had way too much wheel spin under acceleration. It was a very fun run, all the way through the race. I do love this track.

Comparison:
Miata 13B : ALO

Trial Mtn.
15’21.967 : 15’20.753

Cote D’Azur
26’10.887 : 26’38.897
 
Thanks for the criticism, it is always welcomed. Next write up I will have a little more organized and with proper fonts. When I get home tonight I will post those Spoon S2000 settings. I could use a little more help tweaking the car out though. Tongiht, I think it will be D'azur.
 
Good writeup! I'm far from the Professional races, though. But definitely well done. It's great to see others going into this kind of detail.
 
It is only the first of many, in all honesty it was done a little half-@#$ed. I was rushed out of my house last night while I was writing it and missed out only on little details, like what league it was in and what track was being raced. Nothing TOO important you know. But the next installment will be met with a more careful approach and hopefully not get pissed at the Griffith again.
 
No, I just use the BBcode tags available in the "Post Reply" window or the "New Thread" window. I think HTML posting is disabled on these forums. The BBcode is similar, though.

After you remember the common ones, you can enter them by hand in the Express Reply window. Here are the common ones - when typing them in, eliminate the spaces between the bracket and the code symbol.

Bold = [ b ] text here [ /b ]

Italics = [ i ] text here [ /i ]

Color = [ color=red, blue, green, whatever ] text here [ /color ]

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Here are the settings that I used during the race
SR - F 14.4 R 12.0
RH - F 85mm R 85mm
SB - F 7 R 7
SR - F 7 R 7
CA - F 3.0 R 0
TA - F -2.0 R 0
St - F level 2 R level 4
Brakes - F 9 R 16
ASM - 0
TCS - 2
 
Spider & Roadster Cup - Professional
Round 2 - Trail Mountain
After an intense first round two drivers got into a fight in the pits after an incident occurring on lap #3 on turn #2. The two pit crews invovled in the brawl including the drivers have all been fined for the five minutes disruption that occurred after the race.
The league is reviewing the race, it is quite possible that they might suspend both drivers for the next race because of disipline reasons.

Qualifying
after a long morning of qualifying and 10 laps done here is the results.
starting line up
#1 Spoon Sports S2000 (me) 1'30.846
#2 Griffith 500 (Arch Nemisis) 1'30.924
#3 Motor Sport Elise (Racer X) 1'31.970
#4 Elise 190 (Steady Racer) 1'33.224
#5 ZZs (Chip on the shoulder) 1'33.252
#6 S2000 (Slow Poke) 1'35.562

The Race Begins
Lap #1
The Griffith and Me launched off the starting line and with a fight for the inside line going into turn 1 the Griffith beat me to it, but left himself in the outside line for turn two. With a quick fight going into turn #3, the Griffith 500 takes the lead and holds it until lap #5
#1 - Griffith 500 - 1'37.969
#2 - Me + 0'00.823
Lap #2
#1 - Griffith 500 - 1'30.896
#2 - Me = 0'01.033
Lap #3
#1 - Griffith 500 - 1'29.935
#2 - Me - 0'02.935
Lap #4
#1 - Griffith 500 - 1'30.899
#2 - Me - -0'01.567
Lap #5
#1 - Griffith 500 - 1'29.822
#2 - Me - -2.868
After five laps of competition, Two missed gears and one bump into the wall by the Motor Sport Eliseand almost totalling the car on the Sharp S-turn 11, the Spoon Sports S2000 was getting beat up. My arch nemisis gets called into the pits by the pit crew chief. After recieving the message over the radio from ym pit crew chief, I stop trying to pass him and start to conserve my tires.
Lap #6
#1 - Me - 1'32.047
#2 - Motor Sport Elise - -4.448
Lap #7
After 70% of the race is complete, the S2000 pits in. The driver tells his Chief that his shifts are feeling funny and the car is not acting properly, but the Crew Chief tells the driver to keep going
#1 - Me - 1'31.467
#2 - Motor Sport Elise - -5.186
Lap #8
#1 - Me - 1'30.952
#2 - Motor Sport Elise - -6.650
Lap #9
#1 - Me - 1'32.383
#2 Motor Sport Elise - -6.929
Lap #10
#1 - Me - 1'30.890
#2 - Motor Sport Elise - -9.401

RESULTS
#1 - Spoon Sports S2000 - 15'21.967
#2 - Motor Sport Elise - 15'31.368
#3 - Griffith 500 - 15'37.380
#4 - ZZS - 15'45.078
#5 - Elise - 15'47.711
#6 - S2000 - DNF - Transmission problems

Recap of Events
The Gran Turismo League officals have fined the two drivers on Sunday's incident have been fined an upon further review neither are getting suspended from the final race of the season. Sponsored by Honda, their S2000 will be getting worked on all night to get the car ready for tomorrow's final race. It will take a lot of work and effort to get this car fixed and with 24 hours to fix it in, They will not have too much time to Qualify.

SPOON SPORTS = 2, HONDA = 0
 
d'oh that was supposed to be Spoon Sports = 2, Honda = 0. Double D'oh, should have editted the last post.
 
Very nice.

Miata13B, did you know you can go in and edit a post? that would enable you to change the final standings wihtout a second post.

Tip of the hat in your direction for the write-up.

AO
 
Thanks a lot Der Alta for the tip of the day. Working and posting are not mixing too well here. Kinda look over the little links on the posts.
 
Spider & Roadster Cup - Professional
Round 3 Cote D'Azur

After two rounds of action and a lot of paint scrapping, Honda drops out of the competition due to transmission failure. Taking Honda's position in the last race is Team Ruf in their 3400 S. a long morning of qualifying has been going on, during which the Motor Sport Elise was looking like the car to beat. That was until Spoon unlessed their S2000 that has been tearing up the competition with its driving strategy.

Qualifying
1. Spoon Sports S2000 - 1'45.418
2. Motor Sports Elise - 1'47.251
3. Ruf 3400 S - 1'47.251
4. ZZs - 1'49.212
5. Griffith 500 - 1'49.773
6. Elise 190 - 1'52.222

A couple suprises in the qualifying this morning. First Ruf came out of nowhere and took third place. The Griffith 500 team seems to be going through setting problems because they are having a hard time keeping up with the pack. Spoon Sports seem to have found a sweet spot in the setup of their car because taking the field by almost 2 seconds is unheard of at this track. We will see what the race has in store for us later this afternoon.

The Green Flag
lap 1
After spinning the tires through two gears the Spoon drops to third place. Durring the third turn the Motor Sport ELise and Ruf slide into the wall. This gave Spoon Sports an edge going into this turn taking first place.
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'50.950
#2 Ruf 3400s - +2.804

Lap 2
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'44.792
#2 Ruf 3400s - +5.757

Lap 3
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'43.845
#2 Ruf 3400s - +9.610

Lap 4
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'42.783
#2 Ruf 3400s - +14.564

Lap 5
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'42.439
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +18.938

Lap 6
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'45.920
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +20.687

Lap 7
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'44.848
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +22.945
The Elise 190 takes a brief pit stop

Lap 8
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'42.740
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +26.823

Lap 9
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'44.236
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +28.882

Lap 10
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'44.015
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +31.488
The Griffith 500 pits

Lap 11
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'46.794
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +31.403
The Ruf 3400s pits.

Lap 12
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'43.635
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +34.573

Lap 13
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'44.759
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +37.060

Lap 14
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'44.304
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +39.405

Lap 15
#1 Spoon Sports - 1'44.651
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +41.569

Final Results
#1 Spoon Sports - 26'10.887
#2 Motor Sport Elise - +41.569
#3 ZZs - +1'11.657
#4 Ruf 3400s - +1'15.714
#5 Griffith 500 - +1'31.021
#6 Elise 190 - + 2lap

After the Series, Spoon Sports Takes the gold. 3 Straight wins shows the domainence of the driving ability of both the car and driver. Due to the fact that the AI sucks a-lotta #ss. During lap #5 the Elise 190 goes into the 90 degree turn after the long back straight. He stays there for 2 laps stuck there. After watching the replay, every car hit that car for 2 laps. Finally the Griffith 500 knocked it into the side and it barely makes it to the pits.
The only thing that I have gotta talk smack about is the D#!@ AI. It was horrible, none of the cars could stay on the track and they would hit the same wall every lap at the same exact place. I am sure if they keep a solid line and not hit each other, they would have been able to keep up better. Whatever, AI sucks and needs work. This concludes the installment of Spiders and Roadsters.
 
Nice job, 13B. Sounds like a good race.

Question: have you added any parts to the Spoon S2000? I have one that I was considering using for this series and the Monaco Enduro. I just wondered if you had added power to gain such a margin over the RUF and the Elise.
 
yeah, I installed NA stage 1 tuning, race chip and a racing exhaust. The best possible thing that you can give that Spoon Sports S2000 is a suspension make over though. I feel you could beat this class with just an exhaust and race chip with the proper adjustments to the car for handling. I got it to the point where I could take that car around every corner at full throttle in the gears you needed to be in for them. It really boiled down to my opponents did not know how to drive. After watching the replays, it was just digusting the amount of mistakes they had.
Pending on your driving style also makes the difference on you lap times that you could get. I started on Grand Valley just straight racing and no drift. I was going one on one with the competition that way. THen I tried it out with only drift racing, It did wonders, but I wore through tires like no tomorrow. Then I finally adjusted to a semi race, mostly dirft style , and I constantly was putting out times that I would do with the NA tuning 2 on the S2000, so I kept with that. I guess that is my 2 cents there.
 
A great write up 13B. Excellent quality as well.

As a word of warning. :D
I've just completed GTConcept in 2 hours 10 minutes and got 10'000'000 credits for my GT3 game, now I'm going to do the rest of the licences but not going for gold then I'm kicking straight into Amateur/Pro/Enduro race write ups. :D
That means that I'll flood this area with intense and detailed reviews of my races with (At Least!) the same quality as 13B, Der Alta , etc...

And also, I'm gonna change it so I do a thread for each series/3 single races like you lot have been doing.

Hint : My first write ups will be Amateur All Stars then Amateur Japan GT Championship. Car = Hush Hush!!! :D. I have to do some testing with the car anyway for the perfect setups. :).

Anyway, watch this forum tommorow onwards. :D :D :D :D :D.
 
I just ran this Challenge last night in the Mugen S2000. I was alarmed to see the extent of mods I had to do to this car to compete against the Griffith around GV. With that amount of uprgades, I abolished the competition at Cote D'Azur.

Glad to know that more people are joining in and giving info to this forum.

Great info. Very comparable to my own experience.

AO
 
Sorry if I missed it but how much Hp did your Spoon S2000 have? I have a very quick 444hp one that is probably the fastest car in the game with less than 450hp
 
12 sec. Civic:

My Mugen S2000 was running a racing transmission, Racing Muffler, Stage 2 NA, and a chip. I also picked up Triple clutch, Lightweight flywheel, racing transmission and full LSD. Then super slicks, and lightweight 1. Grabbed an oil change, and a waxing. All these upgrades put me at 347 hp

Settings
Spring Rate: 9.1/8.1
Ride Height 83/85
Shock bound: 5/6
Shock rebound: 7/7
Camber: 3.0/1.5
Toe: 0.5/0.5
Stabilizers: 5/5
LSD: 10/20/14
Auto Set: level 25
Final Drive 4.200
ASM & TCS = 0

Managed a 2.696 second win over the Griffith

For Trial Mountain I added Port and Polish, and Lightweight 2. This bumped me to 368hp. These changes gave me a 16.547 second win on the MS Elise. Also contributing to this win was that TM is one of my favorite tracks.

Cote d'Azur was a 46.347 second win on the ZZS. Also one of my favorite tracks. Although I would have bumper the TCS up to 1, due to wheel spin in the Tight corners.

Check my compendium for all the info on these races.

AO
 
The Spoon S2000 that I was running was giving me 417hp. It has lost some horse from the 444 or 435hp that it had because of wear and tear. I have been running this car a lot on the complex string lately, been able to get a lap time of 4'38"??? I think it was 835 as my best time. Try running that car on the string. It will give you major insight on the weakness of that car. It helped me out a lot for setting up the LSD on it
 
Well, all I know is, that car is wickedley fast around most courses, and when I race in free run I am always VERY surprised to see it up at around 5th or 6th place in my records, ahead of any stock JGTC and my 650hp Mustang and 2 600hp Lancers, it was even faster than my 640hp RX-7, not to mention a 720hp V8 Vantage and a 615hp 300ZX.


I think it is common knowledge that the S2000 has one of the greatest chassis in the game if not the world. I have a regular S2000 absolutely fully modded. 550hp exactly, and Yellow. Very cool car. It is the 3rd fastest car I have ever run at Midfeild, behind a 540hp RGT and a 570hp Esprit. Anyways, I saved the replay of my 1'09,7xx replay at midfeild and I let my friends race the ghost with any car they want. The funniest is watching my friend who thinks he is good lose to my S2000 ghost with a 630hp C5R and then later losing to the little S2000 ghost with a 600hp FTO LM Race Car...... I cant wait to see someone lose to it with an F1!!! maybe I will screw up the suspension on one of my F1's and let them use it against my S2000 ghost.
 
I have to agree with it being one of the best cars. I have been putting it to the test with the complex string free run, I had my best time killed by that S2000 in my manufacture car races. The 300zx was the first car to actually beat it, I had about 423hp I think on it, maybe close to 500 hundred. I mainly tune the manufacture cars to around 450hp because I am noticing that you can pretty much accellerate throughout the whole course and not really need to use the brakes. Anyways I beat the record that the 300zx put up by about 1 sec. Here is where things get interesting though, I recently won the 350z and it beat the time I posted with the S2000 by 2 secs. I guess another challenge has risen up and time for the S200 to step it up.
 
I finished the S&R pro' races, with the RUF3400S, on every race I pit in on the 4th lap except apart from the Monte Carlo were i went all out no pits. When pitting in on the 4th the other contenders never pit so there tyres will be well worn out by the 7+ lap which gave me an advantage to overtake finishing with a 11sec lead with decent enough tyres but near the end was difficult. I never had to repeat and racing at my first time trying the Spider and Roaster. RUF3400S is the best way to go and make sure to fit her with sports tyres so they don't wear out so fast.
 

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