The brands that got neglected by PD (Updated) .

[George Jakob]

1. Updated text for Bugatti,Maserati and Tesla.

For the last few days there has been some discussion about the SCG-PD license shenanigans and that got me thinking: GT has been a host to a big number of different brands over the last 2 decades. Naturally some are treated better than others, but which brands received the short end of the stick? .

· AC Cars (GT4-GT6)

Sure AC hasn't made a ton of different models, but 1 car in 12 years was such a waste. On top of it, the AC Cobra was overshadowed by the superior Shelby variant, making the license even more of a waste.

· Bentley (GT4-GT6)

I don't understand what’s the deal with their license PD clearly is interested as they wasted resources to make the Speed 8 premium, but is this as far as their interest goes or did Bentley restrict them and then cut the plug out of nowhere? GT Sport seemed the perfect GT game for the brand to expand its presence in the series, with 3-4 continentals for the N and GR classes at the very least.

· Bugatti (GT PSP - present)

It’s actually insulting how little PD values one of the most important car brands in history (or in the last 15 years more specifically). Never mind, including them in GT PSP as their debut title, i would've included them straight into GT5 as the cover car, but that’s just me. They didn't even bother to make it premium for GT5, forcing players to search for it on the awful used car dealership. Now that’s no way to treat the most talked vehicle at the time, as the Veyron Super Sport broke the top speed world record a few months before GT5's release. If it ended there I could live with that, but no no no. The regular 16.4 model didn't become premium until GT6, 3 years later, and for some 🤬 reason a 2013 model year Veyron came with it (for god's sake PD, the 16.4 model's production ended in 2011. How did you mess this up?). The long overdue inclusion of the regular Chiron is a small, but at the same time huge step all things considered. But its not enough for me to remove Bugatti from the list, because the other issues and especially the one regarding the eligibility for the manufacturer championship are still here.

· Buick (GT4-GT6)

Just another wasted license, no update in 14 years.

· Cadillac (GT4-GT6)

The second consecutive American brand and an even bigger waste in my opinion, but at least it received an update for GT6 at least.

· Callaway (GT4-GT6)

Another American brand with plenty of choices lost to time.

· Caterham (GT4-GT6)

Sure the only model Caterham produces is the 7, but the Fireblade was a pocket rocket so they surely could include a few newer premium models.

· Chaparral (GT4-present)

One of the few brands to survive the nuclear bomb thrown into the car list, thanks to the 2X VGT, but if we don't count that one their lineup isn't updated at all.

· Chrysler (GT3-GT6)

Umm... I have nothing to say about them honestly.

· Citroen (GT2-present)

The first long standing European brand of the list to survive, and yet PD is treating it like the lesser half of the PSA group, because while Peugeot's lineup is updated consistently, Citroen has been updated once in 7 years thanks to the inclusion of the DS3 Racing. Citroen might not be the most exciting brand out there, but it deserves better than that.

· Daihatsu (GT2-present)

I know what you are thinking: "What? A japanese brand is one the list?". Yep, turns out no one is safe from Polyphony's mistreatment. Specifically, Daihatsu went from their highest total of 18 models in GT2 to 15 in GT5, and their lineup hasn't been updated since then. And no, I will not even address their sorry excuse for a VGT car.

· Dome (GT Concept-GT6)

While Dome doesn't have anything beyond the Zero in terms of road cars, they have a history in prototype racing so it’s a big shame none of them appeared.

· Fiat (GT2-present)

Fiat's presence in the series is nothing less of a roller-coaster, from 6 cars in GT2, to just 1 in GT3, to 7 in GT4, to 9 for GT5/6, to 2 as of this posting. That's no way to treat one of the most prestigious Italian automakers, but it would've been fine if most of them weren't Fiat 500's (over 50% in GT5/6 and 100% in GT Sport).

· Ford Australia (GT4-GT6)

The first brand from down under. Its inclusion as a separate brand seemed redundant to begin with. I can understand splitting Dodge into Dodge and SRT, as the latter was a separate brand at the time of GT6's release, but that was over the top and their only car was the only V8 Supercar in the series, leaving it to a no man's land anyway. What’s next? Splitting Ford into Ford Europe, Ford Germany etc? .

· FPV (GT4-GT PSP)

Mostly the same case as Ford Australia.

· Ginetta (GT4-GT5)

One car in 3 games is a shame, considering they too could've been eligible for GTS manufacturers’ championship. Instead, once they realized they were nothing more than filler, they jumped ship to Project Cars.

· Holden (GT4-GT6)

Three out of three for Australia, and another brand with plenty of choices bites the dust.

· Infiniti (GT2-present)

Mostly a Nissan clone until GT6.

· Lancia (GT2-present)

Same case as Fiat, although Lancia has a better range of models.

· Lister (GT2-GT6)

I don't blame PD for not adding more Listers, as they haven't done much the last few years but for the mistreatment of the Lister Storm GT, turning a very capable race car and multi FIA GT champion into a mobile chicane (seriously PD, the poor thing weighs 1.100 Kg, not 1.438).

· Maserati (GT5-present)

Maserati is very close to be removed from the list thanks to the recent quick additions, breaking the 12 year long monopoly of the 2008 Gran Turismo S.

· MG (GT2-GT6)

I guess that was coming from a mile away, considering PD's record with Chinese owned companies (having said that, the takeover took place in 2006 but the brand was part of the series since 2016), and I don't see PD wanting to re-include them as their new cars leave a lot to be desired, but still they deserved more than 2 cars.

· Mugen (GT2-GT6)

Mugen didn't get as much love as it deserved. It started well with 10 cars in GT2, only to get reduced to a single S2000 that wasn't special in any way.

· Opel (GT2-GT6)

Most German brands are treated very well by PD, but Opel is possibly the worst treated. The region lock thing aside (I’ll address that later), Opel had a decent 6 car lineup at first, but it barely changed. Some cars got replaced with newer counterparts (E.g. Astra, Vectra etc.), some got removed like the Andros Trophy Tigra etc. and some returned, but at the end only 2 new models debuted and the overall count went from 6 to 7 in GT4, were it was last updated.

· Panoz (GT3-GT6)

Panoz hasn't made many different models, but PD surely could include more, like some of their LMPs.

· Pontiac (GT Concept-present)

A grand total of 7 cars in 5 main games, with only 1 car new from GT4 to GT6. The resent inclusion of the GTO judge is a step in the right direction, but not enough to change my opinion.

· Re-Amemiya (GT4-present)

They might be specialists with rotarys only so that limits their range, but still 3 cars aren't enough.

· RUF (GT2-present)

Yes, RUF may have returned with the CTR3 making its debut but, as nice it may be, the simple fact is that its still a 13 year old car. RUF is the 2nd brand on the list to get downgraded from 8 cars in GT2 to 5 cars in GT4-GT6, with only 3 new models being included in a decade.

· Saleen (GT2-GT6)

Another brand with fine choices not getting the attention it deserved. A shame, considering the S7.R was scheduled for inclusion in GT5.

· SEAT (GT4-GT6)

One of more random inclusions in the series, with just 1 car, while PD could've done so much more with them. It feels like PD simply included Seat in order to boost sales in Spain.

· Spoon (GT2-GT6)

Spoon had it much better than many on this list, but they could've been a much bigger part of the franchise, and 1 new car since 2005 (a CR-Z no less) left much to be desired.

· Spyker (GT Concept-GT6)

Their range may be limited, but only 1 car in over a decade was more than underwhelming.

· Tesla (GT5-present)

PD seems to have little regard for them.

· Triumph (GT4-GT6)

One car in 2 decades, nothing more to say.

· Vauxhall (GT2-GT6)

Simply an Opel clone, with the purpose of replacing Opel in English-speaking European country's, for some reason.

· Volvo (GT4-GT6)

A grand total of 3 cars (pretty mediocre, no less) in 3 games, updated just once in GT5.

What do you think? Have I got any of them wrong or have I forgot any other brands?

 

[ShiftingGears]

I think they missed plenty, courtesy of them chasing GT vision cars that they dont even use instead.

The shortfall is apparent when they dont categorise cars.

 

[George Jakob]

I think they missed plenty, courtesy of them chasing GT vision cars that they dont even use instead

I don't think we can blame VGT for that because VGT is like a side project for the manufacturers all PD does is "waste" some time to model the car after its done. And some brands that are part of VGT like Mercedes get treated really well .

 

[05XR8]

Acura. The CL Type-S graced a cover. It's an off-track car in parking lots in GT Sport.

The RSX, Integra and stateside NSX weren't updated. For all PD's duplicates, the TSX was left out. It's actually a 2.4 over the Euro R's 2L, but still, a car that could have been included.

 

[George Jakob]

Acura. The CL Type-S graced a cover. It's an off-track car in parking lots in GT Sport.

The RSX, Integra and stateside NSX weren't updated. For all PD's duplicates, the TSX was left out. It's actually a 2.4 over the Euro R's 2L, but still, a car that could have been included.

Oh yes of course i actually had Acura in my notes but i forgot to include them .

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

I think Plymouth has been neglected as well. I see no reason why the Superbird, '70 and '71 Cuda were not added to GT Sport.

 

[George Jakob]

I think Plymouth has been neglected as well. I see no reason why the Superbird, '70 and '71 Cuda were not added to GT Sport.

Possibly but its still in better shape than most on this list thats why it didn't make the cut.

 

[MisterWaffles]

Ferrari has been pretty wasted in my opinion. For such a high-profile company their newest car is still the LaFerrari from 2013. It also drives like complete trash in GT Sport.

It'll be interesting to see what their lineup will be like in GT7, whether we'll be seeing some newer models or if it'll still be a bunch of 458s and a LaFerrari for their modern selection.

 

[FerrariF1GT]

Oh yes of course i actually had Acura in my notes but i forgot to include them .

Meh, they’re just Hondas. I like Hondas, but that’s what Acuras are.

Most of this list of supposedly ‘neglected’ brands is pretty insignificant to me. I wouldn’t jump to conclusions and say that certain makes were ‘neglected.’ Bear in mind that GT Sport was intended to be more of an esports racing game with emphasis on modern motorsport (GT3-4, LMP1) and less on being a car collecting game like the past games were.

 

[O604]

Shorter version: Not Toyota. But hey there's a Corolla and a Sprinter.

Jokes aside, I think the car selection is sparse but fair. There's a good number of quality cars from Ferrari, Porsche, Jaguar, McLaren, Ford, Dodge, Shelby, Audi, BMW, Volkswagen, Alfa, Lamborghini, Lancia, Pagani, Mazda, Nissan and Hyundai. Of course, always want more. All actually. But I think it's a decent spread.

My opinion of neglected historic brands, Austin-Healey and Deusenberg.

 

[TonyJZX]

To be fair to PD, this a laundry list of niche or non performing non mainstream type brands.

Even Tesla which is $2k a share is a tad irrelevant to the guy who earns an avg. wage and further, seeks to be relevant in a 'racing' title.

There 's always going to be niche brands that people want represented.

One of the cars I like is actually in a competing title.

I dont know what lengths MS went to to get a largely defunct car but I think PD arent going to this level.

 

[05XR8]

There is/was a Tesla One Make race car. Also, PD did make a CR-Z and Prius TC. There was potential for those cars to be in GT Sport.

Tesla could be neglected as well. However, it may have been a case of GT7 coming and the pandemic, that's left some brands looking sparse.

 

[TonyJZX]

Even in popular brands there's odd decisions... why is there a Gr.X BMW i3 but no say N600 BMW i8?

They neglect models in brands they already have.

I think with brands like Infiniti then I would ask 'what is the point'? They have already pulled out of many western markets and Nissan dont seem to be able to grow that brand inc. in games.

 

[meekrab]

Even in popular brands there's odd decisions... why is there a Gr.X BMW i3 but no say N600 BMW i8?

Well, because the i8 would be an N400. It's no faster than the M2, it would get blown away by the likes of the Huracan and NSX.

I think the issue has always been, PD would like to make Gran Turismo an encyclopedia of cars, letting you pit a 60's V12 Ferrari against a modern 370Z, but they simply haven't got the manpower to make all the cars. So we get a hodgepodge of whatever they could sign licensing deals for and model and get the driving dynamics working.

 

[Scaff]

One important consideration here is that licencing agreements are not a one-way street, even PD can't rock up and throw money down and demand cars x, y & Z be licenced.

It's very much a two-way street, first of all, the holder of the brand licence needs to agree for the brand to be included in the first place (see the recent issue with Glickenhaus), then they may demand that as part of the deal certain brands in a portfolio be given greater priority to match the companies target marketing audience (for example PSA may favour Peugeot over Citroen for this reason), then the licence costs for each model and variant have to be agreed (if the licence holder even wants to licence a certain model - they may refuse point-blank), and they may also demand that model x has to be included if you want model y (for promotional reasons, for example, BMW may have demanded that the i3 be included for this reason). Then you have to keep in mind that this agreement is almost certainly only going to apply for one title in a game series. New GT and you have to start all over again.

Don't get me wrong, PD I agree, has made some odd choices all on their own, but the above does also factor into it

 

[XSquareStickIt]

Speaking only for GT Sport, the Hyundai license I think is easily the most eye catching example of a wasted license. There's an entire country with just Hyundai as its sole representation, and they have only 4 variants of ONE car: the Genesis. There isn't even a Genesis Gr. 3/B Road car like the Atenza, RC Z, etc.. If I'm not mistaken, Hyundai is the only manufacturer since launch that hasn't gotten an update in the entire 3 year lifespan of GT Sport, and even their Gr. 3/4 cars haven't been very competitive.

Hyundai have been making serious strides forward in the last two decades in brand status and relevancy, and are now competing directly against established Japanese and European brands in segments they dominated. It's a crying shame to see them relegated to irrelevancy in Sport. I really do wish to see more Kias and Hyundais in the future.

 

[George Jakob]

Ferrari has been pretty wasted in my opinion. For such a high-profile company their newest car is still the LaFerrari from 2013. It also drives like complete trash in GT Sport.
True but Ferrari gets updated pretty regulary so far thats why i coulden't include it to the list

. I wouldn’t jump to conclusions and say that certain makes were ‘neglected.’

Fair but some brands waren't updated at all . I beliave this counts as neglect.

Bear in mind that GT Sport was intended to be more of an esports racing game with emphasis on modern motorsport (GT3-4, LMP1) and less on being a car collecting game like the past games were.

Of course that why i take into account thair entire presence in the series .

, then they may demand that as part of the deal certain brands in a portfolio be given greater priority to match the companies target marketing audience (for example PSA may favour Peugeot over Citroen for this reason),

Intresting but that rises the question could VW be the one who demanded PD neglect Bugatti Bentley and Seat .

then the licence costs for each model and variant have to be agreed (if the licence holder even wants to licence a certain model

Wait they pay for each and every single car ? i thought company's make deals like if you sign the license you get 3 certain models with x amount of money.

they may refuse point-blank),

and they may also demand that model x has to be included if you want model y (for promotional reasons, for example, BMW may have demanded that the i3 be included for this reason).

I wasen't aware for some of these facts so thank you very much.

Hyundai have been making serious strides forward in the last two decades in brand status and relevancy, and are now competing directly against established Japanese and European brands in segments they dominated. It's a crying shame to see them relegated to irrelevancy in Sport. I really do wish to see more Kias and Hyundais in the future.

Agreed.

If I'm not mistaken, Hyundai is the only manufacturer since launch that hasn't gotten an update in the entire 3 year lifespan of GT Sport,

Not quite the list
Is as follows
Bugatti
Citroen
Chapparal
Hyundai
KTM
Peugeot
Suzuki

 

[05XR8]

Speaking only for GT Sport, the Hyundai license I think is easily the most eye catching example of a wasted license. There's an entire country with just Hyundai as its sole representation, and they have only 4 variants of ONE car: the Genesis. There isn't even a Genesis Gr. 3/B Road car like the Atenza, RC Z, etc.. If I'm not mistaken, Hyundai is the only manufacturer since launch that hasn't gotten an update in the entire 3 year lifespan of GT Sport, and even their Gr. 3/4 cars haven't been very competitive.

Hyundai have been making serious strides forward in the last two decades in brand status and relevancy, and are now competing directly against established Japanese and European brands in segments they dominated. It's a crying shame to see them relegated to irrelevancy in Sport. I really do wish to see more Kias and Hyundais in the future.

No disagreement. However, we did get their "WRC" Accent and a region based Getz racer. Plus the "shark" coupe model, a concept cars as well.

GT Sport gave us the VGT Gr.1. That's worth something, along with their approved Genesis cars.

GT7 could be the game where we see N models galore. Who knows? Maybe Hyundai will be a next partner in the franchise.

 

[Scaff]

F

Intresting but that rises the question could VW be the one who demanded PD neglect Bugatti Bentley and Seat .

Wait they pay for each and every single car ? i thought company's make deals like if you sign the license you get 3 certain models with x amount of money.



I wasen't aware for some of these facts so thank you very much.

I work in the industry (motor) and I've spoken to a few marketing people at OEM's about it, and no single way of agreeing licencing exists, what I've posted are examples (of the practices - not the exact OEMs) that's I've personally been told about.

 

[KosmoKazi]

I'd like to see:

• Bentley
• Opel
• Cadillac

Featured in the game more. A nice Gr4 Opel, Gr4/Gr1 Cadillac, and the Lemans Bentley entries of years past would all be great.

 

[George Jakob]

I'd like to see:

• Bentley
• Opel
• Cadillac

Featured in the game more. A nice Gr4 Opel, Gr4/Gr1 Cadillac, and the Lemans Bentley entries of years past would all be great.

Personally i don't care what cars PD will choose all i want is these brands treated better.

 

[seadog777]

Lincoln.
Bentley.

 

[Racer294]

Audi. The whole S range.
Maserati. At least 3 good cars
Pontiac. GTO, new and old, G8
Ford. Falcon and SVTs ,Escorts
Cadillac. CTSv range
Alfa. Guilia new and old
Hyundai, VelosterN and TCR
Kia. Stinger, Optima
Volvo

The Australian brands were a big miss. Why I love ForzaMS6. V8SC!
DTM, another huge miss.

Update, added two brands

 

[George Jakob]

Audi. The whole S range.
Maserati. At least 3 good cars
Pontiac. GTO, new and old, G8
Ford. Falcon and SVTs ,Escorts
Cadillac. CTSv range
Alfa. Guilia new and old

True i just focused on the brands as a hole because if i analyzed every model i would've be writing for a month .

The Australian brands were a big miss. Why I love ForzaMS6. V8SC!

Agreed.

 

[Racer294]

Speaking only for GT Sport, the Hyundai license I think is easily the most eye catching example of a wasted license. There's an entire country with just Hyundai as its sole representation, and they have only 4 variants of ONE car: the Genesis. There isn't even a Genesis Gr. 3/B Road car like the Atenza, RC Z, etc.. If I'm not mistaken, Hyundai is the only manufacturer since launch that hasn't gotten an update in the entire 3 year lifespan of GT Sport, and even their Gr. 3/4 cars haven't been very competitive.

Hyundai have been making serious strides forward in the last two decades in brand status and relevancy, and are now competing directly against established Japanese and European brands in segments they dominated. It's a crying shame to see them relegated to irrelevancy in Sport. I really do wish to see more Kias and Hyundais in the future.

True. Many irl cars have been actually raced for Hyundai. Kia is another brand that does well racing irl. Well, in the US a few years ago.

 

[Racer294]

I think the licensing deals vary drastically between makers. If they allow all models or only.ones they chose. Or, PD only wants one or two, but have to take a blah one.
Some have nothing to lose, the small ones. Currently, Hyundai and Diahatsu come to mind. Others do, like reputation, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche. They make their name on performance. Now, GM could give away everything and be better off. They need free publicity. Ford, Toyota, Honda, BMW not nearly as much.

 

[05XR8]

Again from an article I reposted in the SCG thread https://www.gtplanet.net/car-manufacturers-want-to-know-what-cars-you-buy-in-gt-sport/

most popular cars in the game are, the Gran Turismo creator said:

“Gathering data is actually harder than it seems. For starters, cars that are actually on the top of the UI interface have a tendency to be purchased more than the ones nestled further down in the menu. It’s not always straightforward to identify the cars that players actually like.

“We have however provided information to car manufacturers – Toyota for example – about how many of a particular type of car has been bought in our game.”

The relationship between a car’s positioning in the UI and player choice to purchase is interesting too. It would mean that manufacturers might request a certain car gets more a prominent place to encourage players to buy it, though at present GT Sport displays the brand’s most recent addition as the lead car in the Showroom, and orders vehicles by in-game price.

Sure, if there cars aren't there, we obviously, can't buy for data collection. We do have the Suggestions thread. If we all continue to vote for the cars we want to see in the franchise, those cars may just make it in the game. I recommend heading to the suggestions thread and vote in those cars. Seriously.

From the time we knew about "GT7"(which wound up being GT Sport), back in 2014, members were posting cars. We actually got the M3 in the game. Voters wanted a premium Supra, we got that. F50, we got that.

 

[Pedinhuh]

Yeah it's almost infuriating to me to see the odd choices they pick for cars.

Like, they are the ones who basicly created the CHIRON through their Bugatti VGT...Yet there's no road version of the Chiron at all in the game.

And what really annoys me are the car makes with a single vehicle in their line up, it's almost aggravating as of now in 2020.

I just hope that in GT7 they won't repeat the same mistakes with those odd choices.

 

[JayRS200]

What makes you think Bugatti are so important? Because they make 1 car that goes fast in a straight line? OK an oval. They have zero presence in motor racing and are pretty much an invisible VAG owned mushroom brand. What a crappy brand to have as a favourite, almost as bad as being a Racing Point fan!

 

[Racer294]

Bugatti is an icon brand for one car. That's it. Would love to have PD trim the useless brands/cars and give us more cars that been begged for