The Buick Thread: T-Type, GN and GNX on the Way?

Discussion in 'Auto News' started by YSSMAN, May 8, 2007.

  1. YSSMAN

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    Wow, the GMI guys have been on-top of the Future segments. Yes, I realize Buick is boring, but this is worth it... I PROMISE!

    Very good indeed. With the amount of investment going into Pontiac and Saturn, not to mention Cadillac these past few years, Buick is long-overdue for a change like this. I see only positives from these changes, and I am interested in other's thoughts as well. Granted, on GMI you aren't likely to hear too many negatives to stories like these...
     
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    All I can say is: Damn, the Chinese love waterfall grilles. :lol:

    Maybe that's it. Maybe that one design element will mean that GM will make billions in China... but who knows? :lol:

    But a modern Grand National? I can't wait to see that... :D
     
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    I do tend to like luxury with conservative looks. Absolutely beautiful cars in the pics there. They have that Lexus-look to them, and I do love that.
     
  4. Danny

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    The LaCrosse looks lively.
     
  5. Jim Prower

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    guh....Grand National?.......


    * Breaks into a grin wider than Petty's and Tsuchiya's combined."
     
  6. Jay

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    I like the direction Buick are going. :tup:
     
  7. YSSMAN

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    I'm just happy to see that Buick actually has a direction to go in. As one of (or is it?) the top-performing brands in China, beyond that being considered a luxury make, why not bring these awesome products to the United States, where Buick should be of the utmost importance?

    I really, really want the Park Avenue. Yes, I know its another spin-off of Zeta, but its just so awesome. A full-size, cheap-ish, RWD sedan that can actually pop-shots at Lexus with confidence is something worth having in North America, and generally speaking, would not only be the top American car in its class, but may even be one of the best world cars in its segment.

    ...The whole LaCrosse issue is a funny one though. With the current W-Body car on the way out, I'm uncertain as to how everything will get sorted, particularly when the "Epy2" Regal is sitting in some Buick studio in Detroit. I really like the Chinese version, and even if they sold it here for just a few months I'm sure they could push a few out, but I really don't see a huge reason why they need to stop-building the current car altogether. Plus, I'm sure the folks up in Ontario wouldn't be too happy...

    Either way, its getting better. GM's Lexus-fighter clearly then, wants to be a true Lexus-fighter. Best of luck to them...
     
  8. JCE

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    Wow, other than the POS people carrier and SUV Buick is coming back. The Riviera is brilliant, and the thought of a RWD V6 turbo or V8 Regal coming back is mouth watering. I just hope they don't ruin the GNX's legacy. I hold the GNX to the highest of standards over any other American car. Its the only American car that was here for a few years, kicked everyone's asses, and left with dignity.

    The new Park Avenue looks pretty good actually, I quite like the interior in that LaCrosse over the new Cadillacs actually.
     
  9. YSSMAN

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    I hear you on the Buick interior. It is surprisingly good, and so too can be said of the Cadillac SLS (our STS with a stretch limo job... Think 760iL), both of which have a better interior than their American counterparts. Odd really, as you'd think it would be the other way around...

    Still, the return of the Grand National is something that has been rumored for a long, long, long time. It may be just a guess, but given its relationship to the GTO, Camaro, and that Chevy coupe/sedan (whatever it was), chances are it will be a low-production RWD coupe using Buick cues over the Monaro chassis.

    ...Either way, I'm hoping for a forced-induction V6. I've got my fingers crossed that GM does a turbocharged 3.6L DI V6, good for 380-400 BHP. Healthy horsepower will go a long way, and when you've got to consider the Lincoln MKR as well (reportedly green-lighted), one hopes Buick and pull it off...
     
  10. V1P3R

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    Please let it die... There's a reason GM is in so much debt. :rolleyes:

    That "Riviera" looks nice but there's no way in hell they will keep it looking like that in a production version. It's too nice, it's not GM ****y enough. Oh and even then Riviera? geez... you do want people to buy these things right? xD
     
  11. YSSMAN

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    Wow, aren't we Mister Positive today?

    ...Actually, GM made a profit the past two quarters (if I recall correctly) despite sales being down across the board at every single automaker. To be frank, GM is on their A-Game these days, and will be fighting tooth-and-nail to get every new sale possible, particularly against Toyota and Honda here in the near-future.

    Buick by no means causes GM to lose any money whatsoever. They have cut their products down to a level by which they build what they can sell, and indeed future models are predicted to be built in smaller numbers due to the increased sales volume say by comparison to the all-powerful Chevrolet or Pontiac. The LaCrosse will remain their best-selling vehicle, but with so much money being invested in China, the return will be those excelent products heading to North America in numbers that will meet demand, and indeed be flexible should demand increase or decrease.

    ...These new products, starting with the Lucerne and Enclave, show the new direction for Buick as a value-packed semi-luxury brand with the hopes of knocking gloves with Lexus and Acura to the best of their ability. Clearly, Buick hopes to regain a footing with the younger folks, and generally speaking, models like the Regal, Riviera, and later the Grand National are indeed the keys to doing so.

    This being said, these models have to be produced first. The Regal will be an "Epy-II," and that is indeed a strong-footing for the new mid-sized model. Sharing the bones with the new Vectra and 9-3, it should be enough to compete with the ES350, but obviously it is hard to tell for certain, since we are at least a year away from seeing any on the streets.

    ...The Riviera was more of a design exercise than anything, as the look of the lights, grille, wheels, and tail-lights will certainly influence the brand on the whole. Prospects for the production of the Riviera are indeed high, but chances are we are more likely to see it done as the aforementioned Grand National than anything else.

    What it all boils down to is that GM wants to do to Buick what they did to Cadillac: Re-invigorate a slowly-dying brand with fresh new products, stellar reliability (already there) and quality (getting there), and altogether recall the better years of Buick, which never should have been forgotten...
     
  12. V1P3R

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    Well... there is an increase in the population of old people.
     
  13. Robin

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    Gosh ten years ago we had a beautiful black Buick LeSabre (basically a shorter Park Lane)..... was a really cool car despite looking like a barge!..... I'm glad to see Buick are going back to these old models and keeping some of the styling cues.....

    Robin
     
  14. Tornado

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    The reason I've always been pissed at Buick in China? They had this as a minivan when we had this piece of trash. And they wonder why Buick is a failing brand in the U.S.
     
  15. JCE

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    Those two look the same minus the front fascia.
     
  16. Tornado

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    They more or less are. But who thought any of the "R34" vans was a good idea?
     
  17. a6m5

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    Looks like the Chinese version do have a much nicer looking face.
     
  18. YSSMAN

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    These popped-up on GMI yesterday, more photos of what may be the best American car that isn't sold in the US, the Chinese-market Buick LaCrosse.

    Keep in mind the following when viewing the photos:

    - The car is still based on the W-Body which is shared between the LaCrosse, Grand Prix, and Impala/Monte Carlo.
    - The car is very affordable. Base models start at about $28K USD and go north to about $42K USD.
    - GM is thinking about bringing this to the US, but they still aren't sure if they want to do it...

    Here is the link to all of the photos, I'll post a few of the "good" ones.

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    Absolutely incredible. Its a shame that they don't sell it here.
     
  19. Slicks

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    That interior is stunning. Looks superb. I love the guage cluster, the temp and fuel guages specifically.

    The exterior..... I'm not so keen on. Needs slightly bigger wheels (chrome would fit well on this car), and slightly smaller headlights and foglights. Their new hood ornament looks neat, though.
     
  20. Omnis

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    Cancel all luxury cadillac cars (aka, DTS) and bring these to the US with a HEAVY marketing operation.
     
  21. TopHat

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    Oh come on. This is gonna be like Ford withholding the MK II Focus...
     
  22. Jim Prower

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    Swap bodywork (this looks too much like the outgoing Ford Five-Hundred) and we'll talk.
     
  23. YSSMAN

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    They're thinking hard about brining the car to the US (thanks to GMI for that), and after one popped-up in Detroit a few weeks back, people were almost certain that we'd see the car for late 2008 or 2009. Problem is, the W-Body is supposed to die by 2009 or 2010 to give way to the larger Epsilon II platform or the Zeta platform (most of the current W-Body cars are going Zeta).

    GM's un-official word is that alike how Saturn is being aligned with Opel/Vauxhall, Buick will likely be aligned with their Chinese brand as well. So that likely means we'll see a significant step-up for Cadillac in luxury and quality, see Buick set up shop just below where Cadillac is now, and then the rest of the brands adjust.
     
  24. Jim Prower

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    Perhaps the next one will go to China and America, then. *shrugs*
     
  25. JCE

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    Good god that interior is beautiful. Why the hell can't Americans make an interior like that. That is lightyears beyond what any Cadillac has currently.
     
  26. Omnis

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    Actually, I think they should just make Buick the ultra-luxury segment of GM and keep Cadillac as their sport-luxury segment.
     
  27. Jim Prower

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    That depends on what your concept of a "Luxury" car is. Nowadays, a "Luxury" car pretty much has to be somewhat sporty, with the exception of the largest models.
     
  28. YSSMAN

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    Current GM cannon says that Buick is indeed the Lexus rival, while Cadillac is meant to go against the BMW/Mercedes-Benz lineup. Saturn is now the VW fighter after being aligned with Opel, Pontiac is meant to compete against the Acura/Audi types with a much lower price, and Chevrolet has been regulated to be the end-all defacto value brand, going against Toyota.
     
  29. 1X83Z

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    Just got a job driving for a rental company - I'd strongly dispute that statement.
     
  30. TopHat

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    Waitasec.

    I've always known that Chevy=Toyota,Honda,Ford etc.

    But Pontiac vs. Acura? :lol: They're on crack. Atleast until the G8 comes out.

    Same goes for Buick. Buick is a Mercury competitor if there ever was one.