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That's interesting, do you have a photo of that? Because it looks like they've been using different signs.Well it did say 7 yesterday, but hey, let's ignore that...
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That's interesting, do you have a photo of that? Because it looks like they've been using different signs.Well it did say 7 yesterday, but hey, let's ignore that...
I misread the sign or had a brain fart. My bad.That's interesting, do you have a photo of that? Because it looks like they've been using different signs.
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Oooh, yeah, but I'm not sure that's more charitable. That's actually kind of deceitful.A marginally more charitable assessment is that perhaps they deliberately worded the sign in a way designed to make certain people viewing at home think that Schiff had done something wrong.
From the President.
Yep.It just hit me. No doubt you see it differently?
Yep.
And I find it hard to believe, after three years of lies, how many of the people here are still falling for this crap.
Three years of hype and lies.
Three years of hype and lies.
The Ukraine scandal? He admitted it. Obstruction of justice as outlined by Mueller, it's clearly laid out. Obstruction of justice in the Ukraine scandal? Clear from Trump's tweet record alone.
You may be politically correct. But your allegations are not legally established. That is the goal and purpose of impeachment or trial in a court of law.
Yep.
And I find it hard to believe, after three years of lies, how many of the people here are still falling for this crap.
The video needs no explanation.I can't watch the video right this second, but what are you calling hype and lies? The Ukraine scandal? He admitted it. Obstruction of justice as outlined by Mueller, it's clearly laid out. Obstruction of justice in the Ukraine scandal? Clear from Trump's tweet record alone.
Or are you talking collusion with Russia. Because while I don't think there was sufficient evidence there, clearly it was worth investigating.
So what is it?
You march to the beat of your own special drummer on many issues, and it is futile to argue with you. If every judge in the land rendered a decision you didn't agree with, you would still insist you are right and they are wrong, such is the degree of your fervor and certitude. Fortunately for us, you are not a judge and never will be.I think you misunderstand.
The facts in play are sufficient to reach a legal conclusion. If congress does not reach the correct legal conclusion, they are wrong. If you think I'm wrong, you'd need to explain to me why. No one in this thread has even made a run at explaining why any of what I said is in dispute. And as far as I know, no one (including congressional republicans and Trump) who has tried has come up with anything remotely resembling a defense. Each of us is capable of understanding the allegations, the legal standard, and the facts. It is then, quite clear when one is simply denying the facts - which is what many congressional republicans and Trump himself are doing now.
I stand behind every allegation I made above as being clearly supported based on the information that has been gathered. It is sufficient to impeach and remove. The only question is whether congress has the will to perform its sworn duty.
You march to the beat of your own special drummer on many issues, and it is futile to argue with you. If every judge in the land rendered a decision you didn't agree with, you would still insist you are right and they are wrong, such is the degree of your fervor and certitude. Fortunately for us, you are not a judge and never will be.
Agreed on all points. But face it, we live in different times. Add decades of change, even corruption. Social cohesion, public virtue and morality are not what they once were. Power and politics, law and justice, propaganda and media have unfortunately all gone postmodern. (That's bad)Idk, as frustrating as @Danoff can be, I think he would be an exceptional judge...as long as he based his judgement on the law and not the "opinions & current events" section of GTP.
The amount of obstruction, alone, that Trump has done would have impeached Bill Clinton about 6 times over.
Seems like every older generation says that. Leads to statements like "kids these days will never know..." and "why, back in my day..." It seems every older generation greatly underestimates the intellegence and wherewithal of the new generation. Yes, times do change, thankfully. Imagine if it didn't and we all still lived under monarchical rule, where no one had rights. It really is good that things, including society changes.Agreed on all points. But face it, we live in different times. Add decades of change, even corruption. Social cohesion, public virtue and morality are not what they once were. Power and politics, law and justice, propaganda and media have unfortunately all gone postmodern. (That's bad)
Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: "It might have been!"
-John Greenleaf Whittier
The happiest words are: "I told you so!"
- Gore Vidal
Sounds like how a Religion starts.Like I said before, and as has become increasingly clear, there is no amount of evidence that will shake some in Trump's loyal camp. They are not listening to anyone but Trump, and even then, only the last thing he has said.
Sounds like how a Religion starts.
A Prophet?Cult of personality.
...Maybe that's a typo.
Trump is certainly a deplorable person, but you have to admit there is a bit of a double standard with how hard the political establishment is trying impeach him when the last five U.S. presidents have all committed impeachable offenses that could be considered more egregious, just they were swept under the rug because they were done with the blessing of the U.S. establishment. Think of what happened during Clinton's impeachment. The Republicans tried to impeach him on the grounds of 'lying under oath,' yet there was no concentrated effort to try to impeach him on the grounds of bypassing congress to launch military strikes against Iraq to divert attention away from the impeachment proceedings and delay them. Makes Trump's offenses appear a bit superficial.