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Fascinating response. Are you aware that the 8th amendment of the constitution results in this being considered a worse punishment if he were to not die from those shots? So funny that you'd pick "it's not a death sentence" in response to someone being shot 7 times.
You think I'm defending him because I wouldn't sentence him to death for having a warrant?
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Actually, if anything you're the one defending him in a roundabout way. Because of the scenario he will likely be set for life financially and any prosecutor that is stupid enough to press on with the charges will find it pretty much impossible to find a jury willing to convict. Had the police done their jobs correctly he would currently be in a holding cell or out on bail until his court date.
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Fascinating conversation we have here indeed that now quoting from the Constitution is a hip thing to do now, but not from Wisconsin state law. I guess you've completely skipped over the part of him already being tasered and still resisting arrest. You can continue to keep the conversation going though, as I'd like to see what your next idea would be as how police should've apprehended J.B.? Cut his hamstrings, sit on his neck maybe? Maybe just let him go was their best option...
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That isn't the point. Nobody is saying he shouldn't have followed authority. People are not defending his actions. People are saying his actions did not warrant being shot 7 times. It is a criticism of the enforcement - not condoning his actions/behavior. This is an important distinction.
Ok, he's a bad guy. Has anyone disputed that? Justice is not, or at least should not be, "shoot first, ask questions later".
Your position is that he "deserved to be shot because he behaved badly". No? I can't speak for everyone, but I think the counterpoint is that "he deserves not to be shot because our justice system aspires to be better than that". You can hold the position that he's a bad dude and also think he didn't deserve to be shot in the back. If we don't have a dispassionate justice system then what separates us from the Philippines, for example, where police just round up an execute alleged drug dealers?
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It is their job (not mine btw). Are you arguing that there was no way for the police... the police... to bring in someone who was resisting arrest without using a gun? if so, we've got a dysfunctional police system that de facto assumes that the penalty for resisting arrest is... you guessed it.... death.
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How about shooting once in the leg so he can't escape?
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Was that a dig at biden? If it was, I'm tipping my cap to you sir, to turn around and play the other side like that is just downright professional.
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Would you be upset if I said no?
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I don't think they should use their guns unless it's the last resort and in that scenario they shouldn't go for a kill shot like center mass. A simple shot in the lower leg or arm would be enough to incapacitate someone with minimal damage. I know it sounds awful but I'm only talking last resort here. The Jacob Blake incident was not last resort scenario
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From my experience, it's hard enough to hit a stationary target the size of a chest out beyond 5-10 yards with a handgun. Clearly, I'm no expert marksman, but trying to hit moving legs? Recipe for unintended consequences.
The desire for some sort of deus ex machina is strong on all sides - maybe there is some magic trick or technology that will solve this problem. The reality is we have a difficult problem with no easy solution. Cops are scared & trigger happy because everyone has a gun, and people are afraid of cops so they carry guns or otherwise attempt to flee because they are scared to die. It's a self-reinforcing problem.
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IThe extremely iffy justification by cops over what "last resort" is is definitely a real problem; but if it actually truly is last resort then telling cops to shoot someone outside of center mass is legitimately a good way to get cops killed while also going against basic firearms training. Even if they do manage to hit someone in the legs.
Plus you shouldn't give officers another out for drawing their weapon when the situation doesn't call for it. "I meant to hit him in the leg, not kill him" would just be an additional go-to defense along with "I was scared for my life."
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How was it not a last resort? Both officers couldn’t tackle and the taser failed to subdue him. That would be the definition of last resort.
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Uh... I think he meant last resort when it comes to their own lives or the lives of others being threatened. Not the last resort for immediate apprehension.
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I'm not defending the kid at all but any more than 2 minutes of firearm instruction or training will ingrain in you to hit center mass. There are other scenarios like if you are out of range or have an enemy who has good cover and that's called suppression but it doesn't mean spray and pray. It means finding known, likely, or suspected target positions and trying to put rounds either through them (if capable of actually penetrating) or just around them, so a hidden enemy has the crap scared out of them instead of taking fire that clearly isn't landing anywhere near them. Suppression is a psychological event. Center mass is a pretty good size target while extremities are a much harder target to acquire and hit and also doesn't guarantee elimination of a threat. Most decisions are made very quickly and under stress or duress where you likely aren't even seeing clearly because of rapid heart rate/tunnel vision/adrenaline etc. Extremity shots are fairy tale shots.
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I can't believe multiple cops would just stand there and let him drive off into the sunset because they didn't shoot him full of holes. Don't they have vehicles of their own? Or was lethal force the only option in this case?
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I'm assuming you've seen the video? Notice how the officer that shoots him reaches out and grabs Blake as he's opening the door? Pause right there. It doesn't seem to me that Blake has had time to reach in and grab anything yet, but even if he had, he has not yet begun to turn around. His back is still completely facing the officer, there's already one hand on him, and he has nowhere to run. Had the officer not had his weapon drawn, he would have had a second hand available to subdue and restrain him, something officers are trained to do every day.
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I just checked the GT Planet AUP & it clearly states, "You will not post any political opinions or memes that are in opposition to or criticize Social Justice™ ideology or left-wing orthodoxy." So, I guess I'm in real trouble now!
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I just checked the GT Planet AUP & it clearly states, "You will not post any political opinions or memes that are in opposition to or criticize Social Justice™ ideology or left-wing orthodoxy." So, I guess I'm in real trouble now!
Could you bemoan social justice ideology a little more please? I feel like we're not getting your true voice.
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