The Threat From China - Real or Not?

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A prominent news organization has come out with new evidence that the recent "mystery missile" off Los Angeles was in fact a Chinese launch from a submarine.

They also say that Federal Aviation Administration documents show there were no aircraft flying in the area at that time, the night of Nov. 8

"The question that still must be answered is why NORAD's muted response was simply that North America was not threatened, and later our government approved the lame excuse that the picture recorded was simply an aircraft leaving a contrail," said retired U.S. Air Force Brig. Gen. Jim Cash.

A former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot and commander of an F-15 squadron and an F-16 wing, Cash was assigned to NORAD as an assistant director of operations at the Cheyenne Mountain complex near Colorado Springs, Colo., and is fully knowledgeable of NORAD procedures.

"There is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general in minutes, and passed to the president immediately," he said.

Even more ominously, cautioned Cash: "We must question the timing of this shot across our bow. The president was abroad being diplomatic, which means trying to placate China which is becoming overly concerned with our handling a totally out-of-control deficit in spending."

And if that weren't enough, here's news of how China could become the the biggest country in Europe!!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...-give-china-break-it-seeks-simon-johnson.html
 
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BubbleBelly542
Hey! Stop dissing Americans. We took you down in WWII and we will do it again any day.
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Obviously you don't know what a "false flag" operation is. You should also stop making threats toward other members simply because they're from another country. Tuck your American arrogance back in your pants before you make yourself look like an idiot.

Wait...

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Godzilla is a scary thought also, and more likely.
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It's unlikely they'd be so impertinent, but they're probably capable of such a feat.

Plenty of people still think is was a false flag by our own military, or even an accidental firing. If it were a false flag I'd expect the government to quickly and confidently come up with a decent excuse instead of the "I don't know" that was offered. If it really was an accident and they really hadn't been notified, then what else would they have to say? And are they actually going to admit that some idiot on a super-secret submarine might have put the whole country in jeopardy?
 
It's obviously a contrail. Google "Sunset contrails" and look through the images. You'll find loads that could look like a missile launch, including this one:

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In any case CHINESE??? A Chinese SLBM launch off the coast of the US is probably an act of war, it can't even test launch there.


BubbleBelly542
Hey! Stop dissing Americans. We took you down in WWII and we will do it again any day.
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This is a joke right? No one can be that dumb.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-images-cities-lying-completely-deserted.html

This article clearly reveals in photos what the Chinese have been doing with money printed by the US Federal Reserve and tendered to them for goods manufactured and sold to Westerners. They have been building vast new cities and infrastructure which are unpopulated and way overpriced. In short, they are creating a real estate bubble similar to what the Japanese, Americans and some Europeans have already done - and seen to burst. Unless they have some kind of miracle up their sleeve which has eluded the rest of us, their bubble will burst too. Some 20% of the present GDP of China is debt. Many individual Chinese citizens, taking their cue from Americans, borrowed heavily to invest in their stock market. When their bubble bursts, they will face a crisis of unpayable debt. They will be forced to raise interest rates and revalue their currency. Growth will slow to nil and likely decline in recession. The population, never the first beneficiary previous economic growth, will become restive and bring the communist government under new pressures. The bottom line? The global economy as we know it is unsustainable and on the verge of collapse.
 
Just so you know, the Daily Mail doesn't have a particularly good reputation as a beacon of truth. In fact its general reputation is that of "Make up a story, then make it xenophobic". Not massively surprising, given its support of the blackshirts, but there you go.

Think of it as a cross between the National Enquirer and Norsefire.
 
Famine
Just so you know, the Daily Mail doesn't have a particularly good reputation as a beacon of truth. In fact its general reputation is that of "Make up a story, then make it xenophobic". Not massively surprising, given its support of the blackshirts, but there you go.

Think of it as a cross between the National Enquirer and Norsefire.
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Hmmmm......
Do you suppose those photos may have been faked? Shocking, if so.
 
It's not that much of a stretch (the Daily Mirror - a less racist Daily Mail, with more breasts - has faked photos before), but it's not massively likely.

One would have to wonder, though, if the cities are so deserted why are there so many cars in the car parks. On one photo they title as "In most neighbourhoods of Dantu, there are no cars, no signs of life", they're at a magnification level where cars aren't obvious. One zoom more and the photo they used actually contains more than a hundred cars (many, amusingly, censored in the GoogleMaps image) in the square kilometre of the photo.
 
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Not faked, but if you look closely there are cars everywhere. Hardly a ghost town.

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Tree'd when it takes an hour to write a reply!
 
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Famine
Just so you know, the Daily Mail doesn't have a particularly good reputation as a beacon of truth. In fact its general reputation is that of "Make up a story, then make it xenophobic". Not massively surprising, given its support of the blackshirts, but there you go.

Think of it as a cross between the National Enquirer and Norsefire.
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And.
If you believed everything in the daily mail then there would be no disease because every week there seems to be a "new" miricale drug that will cure some so far incurable disease.
 
With regards to Dotini's observation about the housing bubble in China, when I was in Shanghai it turns out that many familes aspire to have their own places. But as they are trying to live and work in the same places, this means that there is a massive demand for the housing and a limited availability of accomodation. This does lead to some extremely unusual pricing by the estate agents....

Some (local) people have pointed out that the reason things are being re-developed so often in Shanghai is merely to make sure that people were in a job and working, rather than be burdended with unemployment figures.

It is quite strange to experience this first hand, the desire for people to live close to their family and working place so they have the best of both worlds, but due to being in a place where so many other people are trying to find living spaces, leads to some quite difficult life choices for them.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107271.html

This article reveals that the PLA (People's Liberation Army) regard Chinese President Hu Jintao as weak. The PLA seem to be going their own way, breaking with the civilian leadership, and acting more aggressively against the US. For instance, they tested their new J-20 fighter the day US Sec'y of Defense Gates arrived for talks, without telling Jintao and the civilian leadership. Is the destiny of China to be tested by an internal struggle for control between civilians and the military? Maybe so.

Respectfully submitted, always open to correction,
Dotini
 
I just wish all the cheap stuff they build would stop breaking so fast ..Japan built cheap stuff for years and it wasn't junk ..its why they have third largest econonomy after China and USA .

China has billions to feed --to do this and develope the country they set up --enterprise zones--these are places where you are ALLOWED to be capitilist so you can serve the country by making cash.

China has a very powerful Military establishment..but no known enemies..So they need some to justify the cash influx to the military budget ..

So they must rattle sabers every once in while ..then send us some microwaves and tv sets..

We are in more danger from buying their stuff then from them ..at this point in time --having a strong or aggressive military.
 
China has some budget to spend because of foreign investments, such as from SEZs and manufacturing. Bringing up some real threat to other nations could pretty much damage these relationships. Perhaps the ASEAN has a role in this as well, especially with the US, Japan and SoKor.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110115/wl_asia_afp/nkoreachinaeconomymilitary

China is reported in "discussion" with North Korea in the matter of placing troops and other facilities at a location on the Sea of Japan (East Sea).

This would appear to be yet another move on the chessboard which expands the space available for Chinese maneuvers and influence in the region. More immediate justifications might include protection of Chinese nationals already on the scene, and prophylactic insertion of strategic forces in the event of North Korean leadership crisis or other national break-down.

Respectfully submitted,
Dotini
 
You're over-thinking it a bit too much. The Chinese wish to protect their interests (which appear to be some well-established ports), and possibly assure that they are not flooded with North Korean refugees should a conflict emerge. Generally speaking, the Chinese are not interested in flexing their military muscle unless provoked, and that will only happen in the United States shoves their big stick in the wrong place at the wrong time. China is comfortable with remaining a regional power - not a global one. They recognize that it is what brought down the Romans, the British, and is bringing down the Americans.
 
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YSSMAN
You're over-thinking it a bit too much. The Chinese wish to protect their interests (which appear to be some well-established ports), and possibly assure that they are not flooded with North Korean refugees should a conflict emerge. Generally speaking, the Chinese are not interested in flexing their military muscle unless provoked, and that will only happen in the United States shoves their big stick in the wrong place at the wrong time. Generally speaking, China is comfortable with remaining a regional power - not a global one. They recognize that it is what brought down the Romans, the British, and is bringing down the Americans.
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I disagree. China already is all over the world. Romans, British, the U.S., their expansion was never solely about expanding their rule over the world. Big chunk of expansionism is about securing resources. In this day & age, people are talking about future energy shortage, fresh water shortage, etc., etc., the Chinese has been active around the globe for probably at least a decade by now.

When you are a smaller country, you take notice of the Chinese aggression. Their ships, planes, sometimes disguised as civilian vessel/planes are very active in Asia. Might not be big news in the States, but just ask the neighbors.
 
^ To add:

China and the U.S.: When giants meet

No big breakthroughs are expected from the summit. Drew Thompson, director of China Studies at The Nixon Center, said: "The relationship is being updated, but the U.S. is focusing on Iran, North Korea and currency and trade as topics for the summit, so there is little likelihood that there will be dramatic progress on any one item."

Cui is optimistic about the chemistry between Hu and Obama. "They have a very good working relationship," he said. "Every time they met, they spent longer time than planned. That means they have very substantive discussion and are both very serious about our relationship."

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/14/china.us/index.html?hpt=Mid
 
An interesting news story has emerged from attempted suppression:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinese-tv-host-says-regime-nearly-bankrupt-141214.html
China’s economy has a reputation for being strong and prosperous, but according to a well-known Chinese television personality the country’s Gross Domestic Product is going in reverse.

Larry Lang, chair professor of Finance at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, said in a lecture that he didn’t think was being recorded that the Chinese regime is in a serious economic crisis—on the brink of bankruptcy. In his memorable formulation: every province in China is Greece.

The restrictions Lang placed on the Oct. 22 speech in Shenyang City, in northern China’s Liaoning Province, included no audio or video recording, and no media. He can be heard saying that people should not post his speech online, or “everyone will look bad,” in the audio that is now on Youtube.

In the unusual, closed-door lecture, Lang gave a frank analysis of the Chinese economy and the censorship that is placed on intellectuals and public figures. “What I’m about to say is all true. But under this system, we are not allowed to speak the truth,” he said.

Despite Lang’s polished appearance on his high-profile TV shows, he said: “Don’t think that we are living in a peaceful time now. Actually the media cannot report anything at all. Those of us who do TV shows are so miserable and frustrated, because we cannot do any programs. As long as something is related to the government, we cannot report about it.”

He said that the regime doesn’t listen to experts, and that Party officials are insufferably arrogant. “If you don’t agree with him, he thinks you are against him,” he said.

Lang’s assessment that the regime is bankrupt was based on five conjectures.

Firstly, that the regime’s debt sits at about 36 trillion yuan (US$5.68 trillion). This calculation is arrived at by adding up Chinese local government debt (between 16 trillion and 19.5 trillion yuan, or US$2.5 trillion and US$3 trillion), and the debt owed by state-owned enterprises (another 16 trillion, he said). But with interest of two trillion per year, he thinks things will unravel quickly.

Secondly, that the regime’s officially published inflation rate of 6.2 percent is fabricated. The real inflation rate is 16 percent, according to Lang.

Thirdly, that there is serious excess capacity in the economy, and that private consumption is only 30 percent of economic activity. Lang said that beginning this July, the Purchasing Managers Index, a measure of the manufacturing industry, plunged to a new low of 50.7. This is an indication, in his view, that China’s economy is in recession.

Fourthly, that the regime’s officially published GDP of 9 percent is also fabricated. According to Lang’s data, China’s GDP has decreased 10 percent. He said that the bloated figures come from the dramatic increase in infrastructure construction, including real estate development, railways, and highways each year (accounting for up to 70 percent of GDP in 2010).

Fifthly, that taxes are too high. Last year, the taxes on Chinese businesses (including direct and indirect taxes) were at 70 percent of earnings. The individual tax rate sits at 81.6 percent, Lang said.

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Cheng Xiaonong, an economist and former aide to ousted Party leader Zhao Ziyang, said that high praise of the “China model” is often made on the basis of the high-visibility construction projects, a big GDP, and much money in foreign reserves. “They pay little attention to things such as whether people’s basic rights are guaranteed, or their living standard has improved or not,” he said.

Behind the fiat control of the economy, which can have the appearance of being efficient, there is enormous waste and corruption, Cheng said. It means that little spending is done on education, welfare, the health system, etc.

Cheng says that for the last decade the Chinese regime has accumulated its wealth primarily by promoting real estate development, buying urban and suburban residential properties at low prices (or simply taking them), and selling them to developers at high prices.
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According to Cheng, the goals of regime officials (to enrich themselves and increase their power) are in direct conflict with those of the people–so social injustice expands, and economic propaganda meant to portray the situation as otherwise prevails.



Related article:http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinas-economy-on-the-brink-of-collapse-136095.html <-- Claims Chinese economy on the brink of collapse.

I'm not sure what to make of all this, whether it's all true or the overall significance. My takeaway is that all is not well with China, and that they cannot be counted upon as the Rock of Gibraltar for a future world of peace and prosperity.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 
China, a threat? not even close. The whole idea of that China is a threat just reflect the cold war mentality and paranoia that grip america, this when you consider the fact that the world is becoming a post-america everyday.
 
YSSMAN
You're over-thinking it a bit too much. The Chinese wish to protect their interests (which appear to be some well-established ports), and possibly assure that they are not flooded with North Korean refugees should a conflict emerge. Generally speaking, the Chinese are not interested in flexing their military muscle unless provoked, and that will only happen in the United States shoves their big stick in the wrong place at the wrong time. China is comfortable with remaining a regional power - not a global one. They recognize that it is what brought down the Romans, the British, and is bringing down the Americans.
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I couldn't have said better myself. As I have said though, its this persisting cold war mentiality that is driving to pin China and Iran as the new boggeymen.
 
YSSMAN
China is comfortable with remaining a regional power - not a global one. They recognize that it is what brought down the Romans, the British, and is bringing down the Americans.
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I disagree. China is more like North Korea than they are the United States. The country's power-hungry leaders want to be globally dominant but are physically and intellectually incapable of doing so. Their entire economy is a bubble. While we in the US have some problems to deal with, China is a problem.
 
Politically China is not exactly a bully, it's more that massive guy you don't mess with. I don't think they want to be a political global super power like the US, or pretend to be the "world police".

However, in economical terms, China is becoming a global power. And that leads to politics. Their investment in Africa (I know more about Angola and Moçambique, for obvious reasons, but it's probably the same elsewhere) is impressive. And I bet expensive to pay also. Be it in money or in diplomatic power.
 
Keef
I disagree. China is more like North Korea than they are the United States. The country's power-hungry leaders want to be globally dominant but are physically and intellectually incapable of doing so. Their entire economy is a bubble. While we in the US have some problems to deal with, China is a problem.
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Yea because there are no power-hungry men in USA no no..

Just invading countries over the world, lying about why they go there and then build massive embassies and obviously take as much oil as possible.

USA IS a problem. Not China.
 

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